Given a triangle of area 1 0 and perimeter 1 6 , find the largest possible circumradius, R max and submit your answer as ⌊ 1 0 6 ⋅ R max ⌋ .
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Thanks for the thoughtful and thorough analysis. I find problems of this type (where triangle area and perimeter are specified) fascinating.
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Yes - more generally I'm quite enjoying the theme of families of triangles given two parameters.
For this particular case did you use a similar approach? It feels a little clunky to introduce sidelengths but it's a quick way to make things more familiar.
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Yes. I used a similar approach. I started with a different form of Heron's formula:
T = 4 1 ( a 2 + b 2 + c 2 ) 2 − 2 ( a 4 + b 4 + c 4 )
and, if P = perimeter, I eventually arrived at this quartic polynomial in a to describe the family of triangles:
4 P 2 a 4 − 4 P 3 a 3 + P 4 a 2 + 3 2 T 2 P a − 1 6 T 2 P 2 > 0
I suspect this is exactly equivalent to the relationship you found.
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@Fletcher Mattox – Solving a different problem I just came across a very nice relationship: if we're given the inradius r and circumradius R of a triangle, then
b c = 4 r R + A I 2
where A is a vertex of the triangle, I is its incentre and b and c are the lengths of the sides that meet at A (ie standard notation).
I haven't seen this elsewhere and my derivation is horrible (gigantic trig expressions that suddenly collapse). Is this something you've come across? If not, any ideas for a nice way to prove it?
If the sides of the triangle are a = v + w , b = u + w and c = u + v for u , v , w > 0 , then we have that u + v + w = 8 . Since 1 0 = 2 1 b c sin A we deduce that sin A = ( u + v ) ( u + w ) 2 0 , and since 2 R = sin A a we deduce that R = 4 0 1 ( u + v ) ( u + w ) ( v + w ) Also note that 1 0 = s ( s − a ) ( s − b ) ( s − c ) = u v w ( u + v + w ) = 8 u v w , so we have that u v w = 2 2 5 . But then R = 4 0 1 [ 8 3 − 8 2 ( u + v + w ) + 8 ( u v + u w + v w ) − u v w ] = 5 1 ( u v + u w + v w ) − 1 6 5 and hence we want to minimize R = 5 1 ( u v + u w + v w ) − 1 6 5 subject to the constraints u + v + w = 8 and u v w = 2 2 5 . Using the method of Lagrange multipliers we are looking to solve the equations 5 1 ( v + w ) − λ − μ v w 5 1 ( u + w ) − λ − μ u w 5 1 ( u + v ) − λ − μ u v = 0 = 0 = 0 and these equations imply that ( u − v ) ( 5 1 − μ w ) = ( u − w ) ( 5 1 − μ v ) = ( v − w ) ( 5 1 − μ u ) = 0 . If u , v , w were distinct, we would deduce that u = v = w = 5 μ 1 , which is absurd. Since ( 3 8 ) 3 = 2 2 5 , we cannot have u = v = w . Thus, without loss of generality, we have v = u , w = 8 − 2 u , λ = 5 1 u , μ = 5 1 u − 1 , where u 2 ( 8 − 2 u ) = 2 2 5 .
There are two positive real roots to this cubic equation, 1 . 6 2 0 7 7 2 3 0 and 3 . 4 8 5 5 5 9 7 3 . The first corresponds to the minimum possible value of R m i n = 3 . 2 9 7 8 2 9 6 5 , while the second corresponds to the maximum possible value of R m a x = 3 . 5 5 1 8 1 5 1 6 , and hence ⌊ 1 0 6 R m a x ⌋ = 3 5 5 1 8 1 5 .
Can't I do it like this:
Circumradius= abc/4∆ and then use Am-Gm inequality. For maximum radius, a=b=c=16/3. Then radius=16³/3³.40 and I got myself the answer 3.792592.
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If a = b = c = 1 6 / 3 then the area is not 1 0 .
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Call the triangle's area T and its semiperimeter s . Let its sidelengths be a , b , c (as usual opposite vertices A , B , C respectively).
We know T and s ; let's make a a parameter. By definition, b + c = 2 s − a
Now, from Heron's formula, s ( s − a ) ( s − b ) ( s − c ) s ( s − a ) ( s 2 − ( b + c ) s + b c ) s ( s − a ) ( s 2 − ( 2 s − a ) s + b c ) s ( s − a ) ( b c − s ( s − a ) ) b c = T 2 = T 2 = T 2 = T 2 = s ( s − a ) + s ( s − a ) T 2
Knowing b + c and b c means we can find b and c as the roots of a quadratic (see below).
The circumradius is given by R = 4 T a b c = 4 T 1 ( a s ( s − a ) + s ( s − a ) a T 2 )
In this case, s = 8 and T = 1 0 ; so R = 4 0 1 ( 8 a ( 8 − a ) + 2 ( 8 − a ) 2 5 a )
Setting the derivative with respect to a equal to zero (and tidying up) we get 4 a 3 − 8 0 a 2 + 5 1 2 a − 1 0 4 9 = 0
This has three positive roots; the maximum value of R is found at the root a ≈ 6 . 3 7 9 2 which gives R = 3 . 5 5 1 8 1 5 … , and the answer 3 5 5 1 8 1 5 .
Additional consideration: OK, this is a "maximum"; but when a = 7 . 5 , we get R = 5 . 4 3 7 5 ; so what's going on?
Recall we have a quadratic to find the sides b and c . Explicitly, b and c are the roots of x 2 − ( 2 s − a ) x + s ( s − a ) + s ( s − a ) T 2 = 0
We need both roots to be real; so the discriminant of this quadratic needs to be non-negative, ie ( 2 s − a ) 2 − 4 ( s ( s − a ) + s ( s − a ) T 2 ) ≥ 0
This simplifies to a 2 ≥ s ( s − a ) 4 T 2
Now, if a ≥ s , we get b + c = 2 s − a ≤ a , which breaks the triangle inequality (we can't form a triangle with these sidelengths). So s − a is positive and a 2 s ( s − a ) ≥ 4 T 2
Solving this inequality in this case we find (approximately) 3 . 2 4 < a < 6 . 9 7
If we let a be the larger root here we find the same value of R as above . So it is indeed the maximum (but I'm a bit surprised by this particular result!)