Square A B C D lies in the first quadrant, has area 6 4 5 , and side A B is parallel to the x -axis. Vertices A , B , and C lie on the graphs of y = lo g a x , y = 3 lo g a x , and y = 5 lo g a x , respectively. The value of a 4 5 can be expressed as c b where b and c are positive coprime integers. What is the value of b + c ?
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What about the case where A = ( x − 8 5 , lo g a ( x − 8 5 ) ) ? This would give additional solutions of:
x = 4 5 − 1 , 4 5 + 1 .
Of course, for these values of x, x 4 is not rational so we can probably discard them. But the way the question is phrased, it implies that a 5 / 4 is unique.
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Yes, that is true. If you are correct that a 4 5 is not unique (I am beginning to think so as well, though I'm not quite sure yet -- there may be something we're missing) then it should say something like "for the value of a 4 5 that can be expressed as c b , what is b + c " or something along those lines. I submitted this problem but in the non-altered version the square had a side length of 6 , thus it was impossible to fit it below the x -axis, which meant that there was only one unique value of a .
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By the way, is this an AIME problem? It seems familiar.
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@Michael Tang – Motivation for the problem came from an AMC problem, actually. Since anyone who is reading this already got it / revealed the solutions, the motivation came from problem 23 of AMC 12 2007 (forgot if it's A or B).
Indeed, I missed that case. Let me add the condition that the square is in the first quadrant, which would force A to be to the right of B .
Hey, I submitted this problem! I guess I should write a solution then.
There are two possibilities: the square lies below the x-axis or the square lies above the x-axis. It cannot lie half above and half below the axis because all of the graphs touch at the point (1, 0), so if A B is above the x-axis then C cannot be below the x-axis because then it necessarily must be to the left of line A B , and the same applies if A B is below and C is above. We will explore both possibilities in this solution.
Case 1: A B C D is above the x-axis. Then, C must be the top left corner of the square, B the bottom left, and A the bottom right. In addition, the side length of the square is 8 5 . We can then set up the following equations:
l o g a ( x + 8 5 ) = 3 l o g a x
3 l o g a x + 8 5 = 5 l o g a x
From the second, we get l o g a x = 1 6 5 → x 4 = a 4 5 . So we need to find x.
Getting rid of the log in the first equation, we get x 3 − x − 8 5 . With some ingenuity, this can be solved. Let x = m 5 . Thus 5 m 3 5 − m 5 − 8 5 . Clearing fractions and radicals we get 4 0 m 3 − 8 m − 1 = 0. On first glance, we know that 1 is too high, but 4 1 is too low. Making use of RRT, we try m = f r a c 1 2 , and it works, so x = 2 5 .
That last line should say "we try m = 2 1 , and it works, so x = 2 5 . Thus, we get x 4 = 1 6 2 5 ⇒ ∗ ∗ b + c = 4 1 ∗ ∗ .
But there are 2 other possibilities, since 4 0 m 3 − 8 m − 1 is a cubic. Dividing this by 2 m − 1 (since we know 2 1 is a root) we get 2 0 m 2 + 1 0 m + 1 . Since the discriminant is not a perfect square, x 4 can not be expressed as a fraction of the form c b where b and c are coprime integers. In addition, since all of the roots are negative, it would make our coordinates complex. For the sake of completeness, I found the roots and then found what the points A , B , C were on the complex plane and they do not form a square and A B is not parallel to the x -axis. So, we move on to the possibility that the square is below the x -axis.
Case 2: Even though we already have an answer, for the sake of rigor it is important to explore this case as well. In this case, points A , B , C , are located on the top left, top right, and bottom right corners, respectively. Thus l o g a ( x − 8 5 ) = 3 l o g a x = 5 l o g a x + 8 5 Using the same method as before we get that a 4 5 = x − 4 and that x 3 − x + 8 5 = 0 → x = − 2 5 . This makes the logs complex and yields an extranneous answer.
Finding the other solutions for x we again do long division to obtain 2 0 m 2 − 1 0 m + 1 . While the solutions of this are positive and do in fact create a square which has a side A B parallel to the x -axis, it results in a value of a 4 5 which cannot be expressed as a simple fraction. So in this case we end up with no satisfactory solutions. So our answer from before hand, b + c = 4 1 , is the only satisfactory one.
I ACCIDENTALLY PRESSED CONTINUE INSTEAD OF EDIT!!! AHH let me finish the solution below:
Two solutions from two Michael Ts. :)
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Haha, what's your T stand for? Mine is Tong (hence, "this problem is shared by mikecmtong")
Let B be the point ( x , 3 lo g a ( x ) ) . We then have two equivalent ways of representing the y coordinate of C : 3 lo g a ( x ) + 8 5 = 5 lo g a ( x ) Through the properties of logs, we can show that this implies: x 2 = a 8 5 ⟹ x 4 = a 4 5 Knowing this, we then must solve for x 4 .
Similarly using our definition of point B , there are two equivalent ways of writing the y coordinate of point A : lo g a ( x + 8 5 ) = 3 lo g a ( x ) ⟹ x 3 − x − 8 5 = 0 Through magic we can solve this depressed cubic. Two of the solutions are negative, which we may throw out because they are not in the domain of our lo g functions. The positive solution is 2 5 . This raised to the fourth power is 1 6 2 5 , so our answer is 4 1 .
I got the same cubic and solved it like this: I made the substitution x = d 2 5 to give ( d − 1 ) ( 5 d 2 + 5 d + 1 ) = 0
The root d = 1 gives the expected solution, however the other two roots are real and would also give solutions (but not ones compatible with the Brilliant format).
A bit tougher than the average 160pt problem :)
Let the x-coordinates of A be z , then : A ( z , lo g a z ) , B ( z − 8 5 , lo g a z ) , C ( z − 8 5 , lo g a z − 8 5 ) . Now, we use the fact that $B,C$ are members of some graphs to get that : ⎩ ⎨ ⎧ lo g a z = 3 lo g a ( z − 8 5 ) . lo g a z − 8 5 = 5 lo g a ( z − 8 5 ) . The first one is a third degree equation easy to verify that 8 5 5 is it only positive solution, then solve the second one for ln a to get : ln a = 5 8 ln 5 4 .
Now, we can see that that : a 4 5 = 2 5 1 6 .
which means that the answer is 4 1 .
Let points A = ( x 1 , lo g a ( x 1 ) ) , B = ( x 2 , 3 lo g a ( x 2 ) ) , C = ( x 2 , 5 lo g a ( x 2 ) ) . Since side A B is parallel to the x-axis, it is clear that lo g a ( x 1 ) = 3 lo g a ( x 2 ) = K . In addition, since the sides of a square are equal, we have that x 1 − x 2 = a K − a K / 3 = 5 lo g a ( x 2 ) − 3 lo g a ( x 2 ) = 3 2 K . We know what K is since the area of the square is given. ( 3 2 K ) 2 = 6 4 5 , so K = 1 6 3 5 . Substituting this value into the equality above yields: ( x 2 ) 3 − ( x 2 ) = 8 5 . It is relatively easy to see that x 2 = 2 5 (the denominator of x 2 should be 2 to get the 8 in the denominator on the right, and the numerator of x 2 should have 5 in it). Since x 2 = a K / 3 , we have that 2 5 = a 1 6 5 . Raising both sides to the fourth power gives a 4 5 = 1 6 2 5 . 2 5 + 1 6 = 4 1 .
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Let B be located at ( x , 3 lo g a x ) . Because A B is parallel to the x -axis, B C is parallel to the y -axis, so the coordinates of C are ( x , 5 lo g a x ) .
Then because the side length of the square is 6 4 5 = 8 5 , we have 5 lo g a x − 3 lo g a x = 2 lo g a x = 8 5 . Dividing by 2 and rewriting in exponential form, we get a 5 / 1 6 = x . ( 1 )
Now consider vertex A . Side A B is parallel to the x -axis, so the coordinates of A are ( x + 8 5 , lo g a ( x + 8 5 ) ) , and we have the equation 3 lo g a x = lo g a ( x + 8 5 ) . Raising a to the power of both sides gives x 3 = x + 8 5 x 3 − x − 8 5 = 0 . ( 2 ) By Descarte's Rule of Signs, there is only one positive solution to this equation (there is only one sign change: between the x 3 and x terms); in addition, logarithms are only defined for positive inputs, so we want the positive solution. Now we notice by inspection that x = 2 5 is a solution to ( 2 ) , and is also positive. Thus, x = 2 5 . ( 3 ) Now looking back to equation ( 1 ) , we have a 5 / 1 6 = 2 5 , so a 5 / 4 = ( 2 5 ) 4 = 1 6 2 5 . The answer is 2 5 + 1 6 = 4 1 .