Minimum value #2

Algebra Level 3

x x and y y are positive numbers such that

x y ( x y ) = x + y . \sqrt { xy } \left( x-y \right) =x+y.

Find the minimum value of x + y x+y to 2 decimal places.


The answer is 4.00.

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5 solutions

Ankit Kumar Jain
Apr 4, 2017

x + y = x y ( x y ) x + y = \sqrt{xy}(x - y)

x y ( x y ) 2 = ( x + y ) 2 \Rightarrow xy(x - y)^2 = (x + y)^2

x y ( ( x + y ) 2 4 x y ) = ( x + y ) 2 \Rightarrow xy((x + y)^2 - 4xy) = (x + y)^2

( x + y ) 2 ( x y 1 ) = 4 x 2 y 2 (x + y)^2(xy - 1) = 4x^2y^2

( x + y ) 2 = 4 x 2 y 2 x y 1 \Rightarrow (x + y)^2 = \dfrac{4x^2y^2}{xy - 1}


( x y 2 ) 2 0 (xy - 2)^2 \geq 0

x 2 y 2 4 ( x y 1 ) x^2y^2 \geq 4(xy - 1)

x 2 y 2 x y 1 4 \Rightarrow \dfrac{x^2y^2}{xy - 1} \geq 4

( x + y ) 2 = 4 x 2 y 2 x y 1 4 4 = 16 \Rightarrow (x + y)^2 = \dfrac{4x^2y^2}{xy - 1} \geq 4\cdot 4 = 16

x + y 4 \Rightarrow x + y \geq \boxed{4}

Equality holds when x y = 2 , x + y = 4 x = 2 + 2 , y = 2 2 xy = 2 , x + y = 4 \Rightarrow \boxed{x = 2 + \sqrt{2} , y = 2 - \sqrt{2}}

Nicely done, I like it. And no AM-GM to boot, +5 points :-P

Louis W - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks :) :).

But how do you give +5 points??

Ankit Kumar Jain - 4 years, 1 month ago

Oh you seem to have mastered "how do I rearrange algebraic terms" perfectly.

This is another good read of yours. Thanks for sharing!

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Pi Han Goh Thankyou sir.

Ankit Kumar Jain - 4 years, 1 month ago

"how do I rearrange algebraic terms", is it an article? where can it be found? Thanks if you can help!

DAHANG LI - 1 year, 6 months ago

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# https://brilliant.org/weekly-problems/2017-04-10/advanced/?p=3
from math import sqrt, isinf

a = isinf
for x in range(1,5000):
    x = float(x)/1000
    for y in range(1,5000):
        y = float(y)/1000
        z = sqrt(x*y)*(x-y) - (x+y)
        if x+y < a and abs(z) < 0.001:
            a = x+y
            min_x = x
            min_y = y

print 'x= %0.3f; y = %0.3f; x+y = %0.3f' %(min_x, min_y, a)

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x = 3.399  y = 0.601   x+y = 4.0

Michael Fitzgerald - 3 years, 1 month ago

yes who needs math when u can program

Md Farhan Anis - 1 year, 11 months ago
Linkin Duck
Mar 28, 2017

From x + y = x y ( x y ) x+y=\sqrt { xy } \left( x-y \right)

x > y > 0 \Longrightarrow x>y>0 and

( x + y ) 2 = x y ( x y ) 2 = 1 4 4 x y [ ( x + y ) 2 4 x y ] ( x + y ) 2 1 4 [ 4 x y + ( x + y ) 2 4 x y 2 ] 2 ( A M G M i n e q u a l i t y , s u b s t i t u t e a = 4 x y , b = ( x + y ) 2 4 x y ) ( x + y ) 2 1 16 ( x + y ) 4 E = x + y 4 { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }=xy{ \left( x-y \right) }^{ 2 }=\frac { 1 }{ 4 } 4xy\left[ { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }-4xy \right] \\ { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }\le \frac { 1 }{ 4 } { \left[ \frac { 4xy+{ \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }-4xy }{ 2 } \right] }^{ 2 }\left( AM-GM\quad inequality, \quad substitute \quad a=4xy,b={ \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }-4xy \right) \\ { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }\le \frac { 1 }{ 16 } { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 4 }\\ \Longrightarrow E=x+y\ge 4

E = 4 E=4 when

{ ( x + y ) 2 4 x y = 4 x y x + y = 4 { x y = 2 x + y = 4 { x = 2 + 2 y = 2 2 \begin{cases} { \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }-4xy=4xy \\ x+y=4 \end{cases}\Longleftrightarrow \begin{cases} xy=2 \\ x+y=4 \end{cases}\Longrightarrow \begin{cases} x=2+\sqrt { 2 } \\ y=2-\sqrt { 2 } \end{cases}

Hence, E m i n = 4 . { E }_{ min }=\boxed { 4 } .

Thank you, hope this helps :-) And thank you for polishing my problem.

Linkin Duck - 4 years, 2 months ago

Could you please explain the AM - GM Inequality part? I'm having trouble understanding it. Thanks in advance

Boswell Lin - 4 years, 1 month ago

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AM - GM Inequality here was applied in the form: a b ( a + b 2 ) 2 w i t h a , b > 0 ab\le { \left( \frac { a+b }{ 2 } \right) }^{ 2 }with\quad a,b>0 , then you can substitute a = 4 x y , b = ( x + y ) 2 4 x y a=4xy,b={ \left( x+y \right) }^{ 2 }-4xy to get that.

Linkin Duck - 4 years, 1 month ago

Your solution is ingenious. I just used implicit differentiation with the sub u = x + y. Cred to the other solutions as well!

James Wilson - 3 years, 9 months ago

x+y=t x-y=m

x=(t+m)/2 y=(t-m)/2

√(((t+m)/2) ((t-m)/2)) m=t

√(((t^2-m^2)/4) )*m=t

√(((t^2-m^2)/4) )*m=t

((t^2-m^2)/4) m^2=t^2

(if x,y >=0 then t>m and t>0  No false solutions are added)

t^2 m^2-m^4=〖4t〗^2 t^2 〖(m〗^2-4)=m^4 t=m^2/√((m^2-4) )

〖dt/dm〗^ =((2m√((m^2-4) )-(m^2 2m)/(2√((m^2-4) )))/(m^2-4)) MAX/min: dt/dm =0  two posibilities : m=0
2√((m^2-4) )=m/√((m^2-4) )  2m^2-8=m^2→ 2m^2-8=m^2→m^2=8→m=√8

Finally: t=m^2/√((m^2-4) ) with m=√8 t=4 -> x+y = 4

JUAN MANUEL CRUZ MORALES - 2 years, 11 months ago

That's a very ingenious way to apply AM-GM!

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Kindly return the word "positive" back, because if x , y x,y are not strictly greater than 0 then E m i n = 0 { E }_{ min }=\boxed { 0 } when x = y = 0 x=y=0

Linkin Duck - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Done. Note that as the problem creator, you can edit the problem directly by selecting "Edit problem" from the menu.

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 2 months ago

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@Calvin Lin Noted with thanks

Linkin Duck - 4 years, 2 months ago

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@Linkin Duck Can you mark this report as resolved? There was a report before we changed the problem back to "Positive real numbers" :-)

Linkin Duck - 4 years, 2 months ago

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@Linkin Duck It has been taken care of. Thanks.

Brilliant Mathematics Staff - 4 years, 2 months ago

@Calvin Lin Suppose two numbers, X and Y, are generated at random, where 0<x<5 and 0<y<10. What is the chance that the sum is less than or equal to 2? Please answer this

Dionie Niñada - 4 years, 2 months ago
Ciprian Florea
Apr 11, 2017

Note x + y = s x+y=s and x y = p xy=p . Then ( x y ) 2 = x 2 + y 2 2 x y = s 2 4 p { (x-y) }^{ 2 }={ x }^{ 2 }+{ y }^{ 2 }-2xy={ s }^{ 2 }-4p so x y = s 2 4 p x-y=\sqrt { { s }^{ 2 }-4p } . The equality is equivalent to:
p s 2 4 p = s < = > p ( s 2 4 p ) = s 2 < = > s 2 p = 4 p 2 + s 2 \sqrt { p } \cdot \sqrt { { s }^{ 2 }-4p } =s\ <=> p({ s }^{ 2 }-4p)={ s }^{ 2 } <=> { s }^{ 2 }p=4{ p }^{ 2 }+{ s }^{ 2 } By AM-GM we have 4 p 2 + s 2 4 p s 4{ p }^{ 2 }+{ s }^{ 2 }\ge 4ps ( )
Then s 2 p 4 p s < = > s 4 { s }^{ 2 }p\ge 4ps<=>s\ge 4
So the minimum value is attained when we have equality in (

), so 2 p = s = 4 2p=s=4 .
To find the values of x x and y y we need to solve the system
{ x y = 2 x + y = 4 \begin{cases} xy=2 \\ x+y=4 \end{cases} which gives the unique solution x = 2 + 2 x=2+\sqrt { 2 } and y = 2 2 y=2-\sqrt { 2 } .
Hence the minimum value of x + y x+y is 4 .

I'm curious: How do you identify that setting x y = s x-y=s and x y = p xy= p makes the problem much simpler to work with? I don't seem to motivate this action at all...

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 1 month ago

Wow! Great solution!

James Wilson - 3 years, 9 months ago
Eugene Alterman
Apr 10, 2017

u = x + y u = x + y

v = x y v = x - y

x = u + v 2 x = \frac {u + v} {2}

y = u v 2 y = \frac {u - v} {2}

v u 2 v 2 4 = u v \sqrt { \frac{u^2 - v^2} {4} } = u

v 2 ( u 2 v 2 ) = 4 u 2 v^2 (u^2 - v^2) = 4 u^2

u 2 ( v 2 4 ) = v 4 u^2(v^2 - 4) = v^4

u = v 2 v 2 4 = v 2 4 + 4 v 2 4 4 u = \frac {v^2} {\sqrt {v^2 - 4}} = \sqrt {v^2 - 4} + \frac {4} {\sqrt {v^2 - 4}} \geq \boxed {4} ( AM - GM )

Equality holds when v 2 4 = 4 v 2 4 v 2 4 = 4 v = 2 2 \sqrt {v^2 - 4} = \frac {4} {\sqrt {v^2 - 4}} \implies v^2 - 4 = 4 \implies v = 2 \sqrt {2}

x = 2 + 2 x = 2 + \sqrt {2} , y = 2 2 y = 2 - \sqrt {2}

My approach was similar

Let X + Y = b

X – Y = c

X = (b+c)/2

Y = (b-c)/2

sqrt(b^2-c^2)/2 * c = b

Squaring both sides, (b^2 – c^2)c^2 = 4 * b^2

b^2c^2 – c^4 = 4b*2

c^4 – b^2c^2 + 4b^2 = 0 which is a quadratic in c^2 with solutions of the form b^2 +/- sqrt(b^4 – 16 b^2) / 2

To avoid imaginary solutions, the discriminant b^4-16b^2 has to be positive

Therefore, b^4 > 16b^2

b^2 > 16

b> 4 (Since all numbers are +ve)

I did think of using the AM-GM inequality but there seemed to be no simple way of applying the same

Sundar R - 4 years, 2 months ago

3 of the last 4 lines should read :

b^4 >= 16b^2

b^2 >= 16

b >= 4

Sorry for the typo

Sundar R - 4 years, 2 months ago

Note that in your third last line, the inequality should be \geq , not \leq .

Calvin Lin Staff - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Oops! Thanks.

Eugene Alterman - 4 years, 2 months ago
Zee Ell
Apr 11, 2017

Here is an alternative type of solution without using AM - GM (using a single, newly introduced variable and differentiation instead):

x y ( x y ) = x + y \sqrt {xy} (x - y) = x + y

x , y R + x, y \in \mathbb {R}^+

It is easy to see, that x > y (otherwise LHS ≤ 0 while RHS > 0, which would be a contradiction).

Let a = y x y = a x , a R + , 0 < a < 1 \text {Let } a = \frac {y}{x} \Rightarrow y = ax , a \in \mathbb {R}^+ , 0 < a < 1

a x 2 ( 1 a ) x = ( a + 1 ) x \sqrt {ax^2} (1 - a)x = (a + 1)x

x = a + 1 a ( 1 a ) x = \frac {a + 1}{ \sqrt {a} (1 - a) }

y = a x = a ( a + 1 ) 1 a y = ax = \frac { \sqrt {a} (a + 1) }{1 - a}

f ( a ) = x + y = ( a + 1 ) 2 a ( 1 a ) f(a) = x + y = \frac { (a + 1)^2 }{ \sqrt {a} (1 - a) }

Let's find the stationary points of f(a) ( f'(a) = 0, using the quotient and chain rules):

2 ( a + 1 ) a ( 1 a ) ( a + 1 ) 2 ( 0.5 ÷ a 1.5 a ) ( a ( 1 a ) ) 2 \frac {2(a + 1) \sqrt {a} (1 -a) - (a + 1)^2 ( 0.5 ÷ \sqrt {a} - 1.5 \sqrt {a} ) }{ ( \sqrt {a} (1 - a) )^2 } = 0

After multiplying/dividing by the non-zero factors (0 < a < 1) and multiplying by 2, we get:

4 ( 1 a ) ( a + 1 ) ( 1 a 3 ) = 0 4(1 - a) - (a + 1)( \frac {1}{a} - 3 ) = 0

After expanding, simplifying and (× (-a) ) :

a 2 6 a + 1 = 0 a^2 - 6a + 1 = 0

a = 3 ± 2 2 a = 3 ± 2 \sqrt {2}

Since 0 < a < 1, the only solution is: a = 3 2 2 \text {Since 0 < a < 1, the only solution is: } a = 3 - 2 \sqrt {2}

(For the sake of completeness, we have to see whether it is really a minimum by either determining the sign of the second derivative of f(a) or the sign change of the first derivative about our stationary point. They both confirm the minimum in this case.)

This gives us:

x = 2 + 2 , y = 2 2 and x + y = 4 x= 2 + \sqrt {2} , y = 2 - \sqrt {2} \text { and } x + y = \boxed {4}

This is very unorthodoxed, but it definite works.

I haven't seen this method (of introducing dummy variable followed by finding the extrema point) before. How did you motivate this? And where you did you learn this? I'm curious to learn this because I'm pretty sure this method can work for many nefariously difficult inequalities problems in Olympiad.

Pi Han Goh - 4 years, 1 month ago

Your solution was pretty good. I simply let x = u - y (so that u = x + y), and used implicit differentiation w.r.t. y. Then I just set du/dy = 0 everywhere it appeared in the equation. Then after solving for y in terms of u (which had one extraneous solution), you can substitute, and solve for u directly. It didn't give me any grief.

James Wilson - 3 years, 9 months ago

@Pi han goh have you heard of jee advance.

Utkarsh Kulshrestha - 4 years, 1 month ago

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