x and y are positive numbers such that
x y ( x − y ) = x + y .
Find the minimum value of x + y to 2 decimal places.
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Nicely done, I like it. And no AM-GM to boot, +5 points :-P
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Oh you seem to have mastered "how do I rearrange algebraic terms" perfectly.
This is another good read of yours. Thanks for sharing!
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@Pi Han Goh Thankyou sir.
"how do I rearrange algebraic terms", is it an article? where can it be found? Thanks if you can help!
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From x + y = x y ( x − y )
⟹ x > y > 0 and
( x + y ) 2 = x y ( x − y ) 2 = 4 1 4 x y [ ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y ] ( x + y ) 2 ≤ 4 1 [ 2 4 x y + ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y ] 2 ( A M − G M i n e q u a l i t y , s u b s t i t u t e a = 4 x y , b = ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y ) ( x + y ) 2 ≤ 1 6 1 ( x + y ) 4 ⟹ E = x + y ≥ 4
E = 4 when
{ ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y = 4 x y x + y = 4 ⟺ { x y = 2 x + y = 4 ⟹ { x = 2 + 2 y = 2 − 2
Hence, E m i n = 4 .
Thank you, hope this helps :-) And thank you for polishing my problem.
Could you please explain the AM - GM Inequality part? I'm having trouble understanding it. Thanks in advance
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AM - GM Inequality here was applied in the form: a b ≤ ( 2 a + b ) 2 w i t h a , b > 0 , then you can substitute a = 4 x y , b = ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y to get that.
Your solution is ingenious. I just used implicit differentiation with the sub u = x + y. Cred to the other solutions as well!
x+y=t x-y=m
x=(t+m)/2 y=(t-m)/2
√(((t+m)/2) ((t-m)/2)) m=t
√(((t^2-m^2)/4) )*m=t
√(((t^2-m^2)/4) )*m=t
((t^2-m^2)/4) m^2=t^2
(if x,y >=0 then t>m and t>0 No false solutions are added)
t^2 m^2-m^4=〖4t〗^2 t^2 〖(m〗^2-4)=m^4 t=m^2/√((m^2-4) )
〖dt/dm〗^ =((2m√((m^2-4) )-(m^2 2m)/(2√((m^2-4) )))/(m^2-4))
MAX/min:
dt/dm =0 two posibilities :
m=0
2√((m^2-4) )=m/√((m^2-4) ) 2m^2-8=m^2→ 2m^2-8=m^2→m^2=8→m=√8
Finally: t=m^2/√((m^2-4) ) with m=√8 t=4 -> x+y = 4
That's a very ingenious way to apply AM-GM!
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Kindly return the word "positive" back, because if x , y are not strictly greater than 0 then E m i n = 0 when x = y = 0
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Done. Note that as the problem creator, you can edit the problem directly by selecting "Edit problem" from the menu.
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@Calvin Lin – Noted with thanks
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@Linkin Duck – Can you mark this report as resolved? There was a report before we changed the problem back to "Positive real numbers" :-)
@Calvin Lin – Suppose two numbers, X and Y, are generated at random, where 0<x<5 and 0<y<10. What is the chance that the sum is less than or equal to 2? Please answer this
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I'm curious: How do you identify that setting x − y = s and x y = p makes the problem much simpler to work with? I don't seem to motivate this action at all...
Wow! Great solution!
u = x + y
v = x − y
x = 2 u + v
y = 2 u − v
v 4 u 2 − v 2 = u
v 2 ( u 2 − v 2 ) = 4 u 2
u 2 ( v 2 − 4 ) = v 4
u = v 2 − 4 v 2 = v 2 − 4 + v 2 − 4 4 ≥ 4 ( AM - GM )
Equality holds when v 2 − 4 = v 2 − 4 4 ⟹ v 2 − 4 = 4 ⟹ v = 2 2
x = 2 + 2 , y = 2 − 2
My approach was similar
Let X + Y = b
X – Y = c
X = (b+c)/2
Y = (b-c)/2
sqrt(b^2-c^2)/2 * c = b
Squaring both sides, (b^2 – c^2)c^2 = 4 * b^2
b^2c^2 – c^4 = 4b*2
c^4 – b^2c^2 + 4b^2 = 0 which is a quadratic in c^2 with solutions of the form b^2 +/- sqrt(b^4 – 16 b^2) / 2
To avoid imaginary solutions, the discriminant b^4-16b^2 has to be positive
Therefore, b^4 > 16b^2
b^2 > 16
b> 4 (Since all numbers are +ve)
I did think of using the AM-GM inequality but there seemed to be no simple way of applying the same
3 of the last 4 lines should read :
b^4 >= 16b^2
b^2 >= 16
b >= 4
Sorry for the typo
Note that in your third last line, the inequality should be ≥ , not ≤ .
Here is an alternative type of solution without using AM - GM (using a single, newly introduced variable and differentiation instead):
x y ( x − y ) = x + y
x , y ∈ R +
It is easy to see, that x > y (otherwise LHS ≤ 0 while RHS > 0, which would be a contradiction).
Let a = x y ⇒ y = a x , a ∈ R + , 0 < a < 1
a x 2 ( 1 − a ) x = ( a + 1 ) x
x = a ( 1 − a ) a + 1
y = a x = 1 − a a ( a + 1 )
f ( a ) = x + y = a ( 1 − a ) ( a + 1 ) 2
Let's find the stationary points of f(a) ( f'(a) = 0, using the quotient and chain rules):
( a ( 1 − a ) ) 2 2 ( a + 1 ) a ( 1 − a ) − ( a + 1 ) 2 ( 0 . 5 ÷ a − 1 . 5 a ) = 0
After multiplying/dividing by the non-zero factors (0 < a < 1) and multiplying by 2, we get:
4 ( 1 − a ) − ( a + 1 ) ( a 1 − 3 ) = 0
After expanding, simplifying and (× (-a) ) :
a 2 − 6 a + 1 = 0
a = 3 ± 2 2
Since 0 < a < 1, the only solution is: a = 3 − 2 2
(For the sake of completeness, we have to see whether it is really a minimum by either determining the sign of the second derivative of f(a) or the sign change of the first derivative about our stationary point. They both confirm the minimum in this case.)
This gives us:
x = 2 + 2 , y = 2 − 2 and x + y = 4
This is very unorthodoxed, but it definite works.
I haven't seen this method (of introducing dummy variable followed by finding the extrema point) before. How did you motivate this? And where you did you learn this? I'm curious to learn this because I'm pretty sure this method can work for many nefariously difficult inequalities problems in Olympiad.
Your solution was pretty good. I simply let x = u - y (so that u = x + y), and used implicit differentiation w.r.t. y. Then I just set du/dy = 0 everywhere it appeared in the equation. Then after solving for y in terms of u (which had one extraneous solution), you can substitute, and solve for u directly. It didn't give me any grief.
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x + y = x y ( x − y )
⇒ x y ( x − y ) 2 = ( x + y ) 2
⇒ x y ( ( x + y ) 2 − 4 x y ) = ( x + y ) 2
( x + y ) 2 ( x y − 1 ) = 4 x 2 y 2
⇒ ( x + y ) 2 = x y − 1 4 x 2 y 2
( x y − 2 ) 2 ≥ 0
x 2 y 2 ≥ 4 ( x y − 1 )
⇒ x y − 1 x 2 y 2 ≥ 4
⇒ ( x + y ) 2 = x y − 1 4 x 2 y 2 ≥ 4 ⋅ 4 = 1 6
⇒ x + y ≥ 4
Equality holds when x y = 2 , x + y = 4 ⇒ x = 2 + 2 , y = 2 − 2