All the real solutions of x + 5 + 5 = x can be written in the form c a + b , where a , b , and c are positive integers and b is square-free.
What is the total sum of a + b + c for all of the solutions?
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Why don't you think that the second solution works?
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I didn't think. I checked out x + 5 + 5 = x if x = 2 1 − 2 1 .
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Set x = (1 - sqrt (21))/2 = -1.79 Then x^2 - 5 = -1.79
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@Malcolm Rich – You must check with the original equation. Because every time we square both sides we double the number of solutions and half of them invalid. If you square the equation above, we may get 4 solutions.
@Malcolm Rich – I checked it numerically, Putting x = 2 1 + 2 1 ≈ 2 . 7 9 1 2 8 7 8 4 7 in x + 5 + 5 ≈ 2 . 7 9 1 2 8 7 8 4 7 . Putting x = 2 1 − 2 1 ≈ − 1 . 7 9 1 2 8 7 8 4 7 , we get 2 . 6 0 6 0 0 9 9 4 8 .
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@Chew-Seong Cheong – Only if you take sqrt (x+5) to be strictly positive. Sqrt(3.21) = +/-1.79
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@Malcolm Rich – Just substitute the values and you will find the truth.
@Malcolm Rich – Of course, we are talking about real roots.
@Malcolm Rich – Please note that x + 5 here are actually > 0 . I have used actual figures above. Check that all figures tally with the numerical calculation.
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@Chew-Seong Cheong – Not sure I can explain this any more clearly. But if x= -1.79, then sqrt(x+5)=-1.79=x
There is nothing in the question that forces the sqrt function to return a positive number.
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@Malcolm Rich – No, − 1 . 7 9 + 5 = 3 . 2 1 > 0 . x ≥ 0 ∈ R . x = − 1 . 7 9 ⟹ x = 1 . 7 9 2 i , where i = − 1 the imaginary unit . Malcolm, this is a weekly featured problem. Before it is featured Brilliant sends out to more than 10 modulators including me to check. I am quite sure the answer is correct.
Sorry, the part on x = − 1 . 7 9 ⟹ x = 1 . 7 9 2 i is incorrect. x is taken to be ≥ 0 as something to do with the definition of function.
This is from Wolfram MathWorld : Note that any positive real number has two square roots, one positive and one negative. For example, the square roots of 9 are -3 and +3, since ( − 3 ) 2 = ( + 3 ) 2 = 9 . Any nonnegative real number x has a unique nonnegative square root r; this is called the principal square root and is written r = x 1 / 2 or r = ( x ) . For example, the principal square root of 9 is ( 9 ) = + 3 , while the other square root of 9 is − ( 9 ) = − 3 . In common usage, unless otherwise specified, "the" square root is generally taken to mean the principal square root. The principal square root function ( x ) is the inverse function of f ( x ) = x 2 for x ≥ 0 .
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It seems to me that forcing a square root function to only take the positive value is an unnecessary constraint - whether there is an accepted convention or not. In this case, by allowing the value to take the negative root, we can find a different real solution.
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@Malcolm Rich – Malcolm, square roots only take one real value. Check out this wiki .
Also check out this wiki .
How did you equate the powers on both sides? a + a 2 = x + x 2 doesn't necessarily imply that a = x .
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Yes, you are right it doesn't necessarily imply that a = x . That is if there is no solution exist.
Adding 1/4 to both sides, , then (a+1/2)²=(x+1/2)². Since both expressions inside the parentheses are positive, we obtained
a + 1/2 = x + 1/2 , and hence a = x is proven.
Real solutions for . . . = x must be positive. The function x + x 2 is injective for x ≥ 0 . Therefore a + a 2 = x + x 2 implies a = x .
That is indeed a weak point of Chew-Seong solution. From above one can get x-a + x^2-a^2 =0. Next, x-a + (x-a)(x+a) = 0. Next, (x-a)(1+x+a) = 0. That means one solution is x=a, another is x = - a-1. One can check with initial equation that the second solution doesn't have real roots.
What about (1+√17)/2
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Why don't you find it out yourself. Just put x = 2 1 + 1 7 in x + 5 + 5 and see if it is equal to x .
You can not add a variable even if it is to both sides
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You must add x^3 in order to keep the equation at the 4th grade, or else you will lose 2 solutions, (- 1+-(17)^(1/2))/2
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But there is only one solution. Refer to: "Does a square root have two values?" .
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why was x added in step 3?
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x was added on both sides in step 3 to get step 4, then step 5 to be x = x + 5
Let f ( x ) = x + 5 . This equation can be represented as f ( f ( x ) ) = x .
We can see that this function is strictly increasing, which means that in order for f ( f ( x ) ) = x to be true, we must also have f ( f ( x ) ) = f ( x ) = x .
We can now just solve f ( x ) = x , or x + 5 = x , which results in the solutions x = 2 1 ± 2 1 .
The left side of the equation must be positive since it's a radical, so we discard the extraneous negative answer, giving us that the only solution is x = 2 1 + 2 1
Can you explain why - "We can see that this function is strictly increasing, which means that in order for f(f(x))=x to be true, we must also have f(f(x))=f(x)=x" As you wrote in your solution. I'm asking why this property is true ?
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If f (x) is strictly increasing then if f(x)=y > x => f(f(x))=f(y) >f(x) > x
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I think instead of using > in this argument, you need to use = .
I presume for a function to be 'strictly increasing' means that if b > a then f(b) > f(a). This property is true of f(x) = SQRT(x+5), at least for all values of x > -5
So if f(x) > x then f(f(x)) > f(x) and these two inequalities give f(f(x)) > x
Also if x > f(x) then f(x) > f(f(x)) and hence x > f(f(x))
But since we know that f(f(x))=x we know that neither f(x) > x nor x > f(x) can be true. Leaving us with f(x) = x
Sqrt(x+5) can be positive or negative. The negative root gives the second real solution.
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By definition, the square root function is a function and cannot output two different values. You must use the positive value and discard the negative as is convention.
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If we plot a graph y=x^2, we see a familiar parabolic curve. Yet under your convention the curve x=Sqrt (y) stops at x=0.
Nothing has fundamentally change in the relationship between x and y apart from an artificial barrier imposed by the definition of a function as a 1>1 mapping.
Mathematics does not impose these rules. There is a 1 > 2 mapping in the equation y=x^2. The inverse function must therefore have a 2>1 mapping.
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@Malcolm Rich – "under your convention the curve x=Sqrt (y) stops at x=0."
Correct, because in this particular context, the square root acts as a function , and functions cannot have two outputs for a given input.
This matter of convention is useful for several reasons:
Removing ambiguity: If you have an expression such as x = 4 + 3 you would evaluate it as x = 2 + 3 = 5 and not x = − 2 + 3 = 1 . If what you said is correct, even if the intention of the problem is to only use a particular value, you would get two answers. If you wanted the negative value, you would've just written x = − 4 + 3 . This convention allows us to specifically choose a particular sign without the ambiguity of simultaneously being two things at the same time.
Mathematical consistency: 2 2 = 2 2 2 2 = 2 2 2 = − 2
Different concepts entirely : By separating the concepts of square root and squaring by our functional definition and convention, we can look at the following two equations as the set up for figuring out two problems that seem very similar but are characteristically different:
Find all the real numbers that are a distance of 5 from the origin. x 2 = 5 2 x = ± 2 5 = ± 5
What is the distance between the number 5 and the origin? x = 2 5 x = 5
And because this matter of convention is so useful, we accept that this is the correct way of interpreting and solving the problem. This is standard for pretty much every math problem and doesn't interfere with other concepts in any way.
And finally, you wrote that "There is a 1 > 2 mapping in the equation y=x^2. The inverse function must therefore have a 2>1 mapping." This is also invalid reasoning because not every function has an inverse. Only functions that are 1-to-1 and onto have inverses. There must be a bijection between the entire domain and range. Consider the function y = 2 . What is the value of this function's inverse at x = 2 ? What about x = 0 ?
Is this complex analysis?
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No, there is no understanding of complex numbers required in this solution, only real functions.
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Let x + 5 = t
Then we have two equations:
x + 5 = t
t + 5 = x
Both the equations are satisfied when t = x . The rest follows by solving the quadratic equation.
But how do you know that t = x is the ONLY solution?
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Hmm.. good question. Assume t = x + p where p is non-zero. If you solve equation 1 and 2, you will get
x = − ( 1 + p ) / 2
t = ( p − 1 ) / 2
We also know that both x and t are non-negative numbers. Therefore we get a contradiction that p > = 1 and p < = − 1 .
If you square both equations and subtract the second from the first, you'll get two branches, t = x, and t + x + 1 = 0, the solutions from the second part will not satisfy the original equation so we discard them.
It is worth noting however, that sometimes, this second part can also yield solutions in questions like this, for example, in √(5 - x) = 5 - x^2, we get one solution from each of the two branches.
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How do u find out the factors of 4th degree equation??
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If I remember correctly, I tested divisors of 2 0 for the coefficients for x and the constants. I also figured a quadratic would factor into the quartic because of the form of x .
By squaring and rearranging terms we get 5 + x = x 2 − 5 .
[And by squaring again, you get x 4 − 1 0 x 2 − x + 2 0 = 0 which, according to the main theorem of algebra, can have up to 4 (complex) solutions.]
Let f ( x ) = 5 + x and g ( x ) = x 2 − 5 . The graphs are part of of the two parabolas x = y 2 − 5 and y = x 2 − 5 which intersect at 4 points in the real plane, once in each quadrant. So, all of the 4 complex roots of the 4th degree polynomial are in fact real, but... when talking about real roots, the root sign is reserved for the nonnegative solution by definition, so the original expression rules out negative values for x = y + 5 and for y = x + 5 .
If we plug in x = 5 + x into the original expression, we end up with the identity 5 + x = 5 + x , so x = 5 + x is a solution. Square both sides to get x 2 = 5 + x which solves to x = 2 1 + 2 1 (or x = 2 1 − 2 1 , which we discard). This solution in the first quadrant has a+b+c=1+21+2=24.
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x + 5 + 5 x + 5 + 5 x + 5 + x + 5 x + 5 + ( x + 5 ) 2 ⟹ x x 2 x 2 − x − 5 ⟹ x = x = x 2 = x + x 2 = x + x 2 = x + 5 = x + 5 = 0 = 2 1 ± 2 1 Squaring both sides Adding both sides with x Equating powers on both sides Squaring both sides
Let us check the two likely solutions with x + 5 + 5 = x .
For x = 2 1 − 2 1 ,
x + 5 + 5 = 2 1 − 2 1 + 5 + 5 = 2 1 1 − 2 1 + 5 = 2 2 1 − 1 + 5 = 2 2 1 + 9 = x
Therefore, the solution is not valid.
For x = 2 1 + 2 1 ,
x + 5 + 5 = 2 1 + 2 1 + 5 + 5 = 2 1 1 + 2 1 + 5 = 2 1 + 2 1 + 5 = 2 1 1 + 2 1 = 2 1 + 2 1 = x
Therefore, the solution is valid.
Therefore, a + b + c = 1 + 2 1 + 2 = 2 4 .