Moving Wedge

A wedge of mass M = 4 kg M = 4 \text{ kg} and a particle of mass m = 2 kg m = 2\text{ kg} are arranged as shown in above figure. The wedge is semicircular, has radius R = 80 m R = 80\text{ m} and is free to move \text{free to move} . Find time period = T \text{time period} = T of above system in seconds \text{seconds} .

Enter answer as T T .


Details and Assumptions

  • All surfaces are smooth \color{#3D99F6}{\text{smooth}}

  • Take acceleration due to gravity g = 10 m / s 2 \color{#3D99F6}{g = 10m/s^2} .

  • Wedge is free to move \color{#3D99F6}{\text{free to move}}


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The answer is 19.73.

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2 solutions

Aryan Sanghi
Sep 2, 2020

Finding relation between velocities of wedge and particle

Applying Conservation of momentum 0 = M v + m ( v sin θ v ) 0 = -Mv' + m(v\sin{\theta} - v') v = m v sin θ M + m \boxed{v' = \frac{mv\sin{\theta}}{M + m}}


Finding time

Applying Conservation of Energy

m g R sin θ = 1 2 M v 2 + 1 2 m ( v sin θ v ) 2 + 1 2 m ( v cos θ ) 2 mgR\sin{\theta} = \frac12Mv'^2 + \frac12m(v\sin{\theta} - v')^2 + \frac12m(v\cos{\theta})^2

From the relation between v v and v v'

m g R sin θ = 1 2 M ( m v sin θ M + m ) 2 + 1 2 m ( M v sin θ M + m ) 2 + 1 2 m ( v cos θ ) 2 mgR\sin{\theta} = \frac12M\bigg(\frac{mv\sin{\theta}}{M + m}\bigg)^2 + \frac12m\bigg(\frac{Mv\sin{\theta}}{M + m}\bigg)^2 + \frac12m(v\cos{\theta})^2

2 g R sin θ = m M v 2 sin 2 θ ( M + m ) 2 + M 2 v 2 sin 2 θ ( M + m ) 2 + v 2 cos 2 θ 2gR\sin{\theta} = \frac{mMv^2\sin^2{\theta}}{(M+m)^2}+ \frac{M^2v^2\sin^2{\theta}}{(M+m)^2} + v^2\cos^2{\theta}

v = 2 g R sin θ m M sin 2 θ ( M + m ) 2 + M 2 sin 2 θ ( M + m ) 2 + cos 2 θ v = \sqrt{\frac{2gR\sin{\theta}}{\frac{mM\sin^2{\theta}}{(M+m)^2}+ \frac{M^2\sin^2{\theta}}{(M+m)^2} + \cos^2{\theta}}}

R d θ d t = 2 g R ( M + m ) sin θ M + m cos 2 θ \frac{Rd\theta}{dt} = \sqrt{\frac{2gR(M+m)\sin{\theta}}{M + m\cos^2{\theta}}}

d t = R 2 g M + m cos 2 θ ( M + m ) sin θ dt = \sqrt{\frac{R}{2g}} \sqrt{\frac{M + m\cos^2{\theta}}{(M+m)\sin{\theta}}}

t = R 2 g 0 π M + m cos 2 θ ( M + m ) sin θ t = \sqrt{\frac{R}{2g}} \int_0^{\pi}\sqrt{\frac{M + m\cos^2{\theta}}{(M+m)\sin{\theta}}}

Putting g = 10 m / s 2 g = 10m/s^2 , R = 80 m R = 80m , m = 2 kg and M = 4 kg m = 2\text{ kg and } M = 4\text{ kg}

t = 80 20 0 π 2 + cos 2 θ 3 sin θ t = \sqrt{\frac{80}{20}} \int_0^{\pi}\sqrt{\frac{2 + \cos^2{\theta}}{3\sin{\theta}}}

t 9.865 sec t \approx 9.865 \text{ sec}

Time Period T = 2 t \text{Time Period } T = 2t

T 19.73 sec \color{#3D99F6}{\boxed{T \approx 19.73 \text{ sec}}}

@Aryan Sanghi i also solved it same way.
For your extreme hardwork for typing this solution i have upvoted .

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Thanku. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 1 week ago

@Aryan Sanghi i was just thinking that, can you try to make a problem in which we can vary μ \mu in wedge.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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I am not familiar with friction on curved surfaces, so maybe I wont be able to. But I'll try to make. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Friction on curved surfaces will be the same. However, normal force m g cos ( θ ) mg \cos(\theta) will differ. This is why you should use a numerical solution if you are willing to add friction, because normal force will change a lot.

Krishna Karthik - 9 months, 1 week ago

How about this one?

Mark Hennings - 9 months ago

No, normal reaction will do work. Here, body isn't moving perpendicular to normal reaction. It makes a non 90° angle with body

Aryan Sanghi - 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Steven Chase
Sep 2, 2020

Let the coordinates of the particle be ( x , y ) (x,y) , and let the center axis of the wedge be at position x 0 x_0 . The position and velocity of the particle are:

x = x 0 + R cos θ y = R + R sin θ x ˙ = x ˙ 0 R sin θ θ ˙ y ˙ = R cos θ θ ˙ x = x_0 + R \cos \theta \\ y = R + R \sin \theta \\ \dot{x} = \dot{x}_0 - R \sin \theta \, \dot{\theta} \\ \dot{y} = R \cos \theta \, \dot{\theta}

Combined kinetic energy of the particle and the wedge:

T = 1 2 m ( x ˙ 2 + y ˙ 2 ) + 1 2 M x ˙ 0 2 = 1 2 m ( x ˙ 0 2 2 x ˙ 0 θ ˙ R sin θ + R 2 θ ˙ 2 ) + 1 2 M x ˙ 0 2 T = \frac{1}{2} m (\dot{x}^2 + \dot{y}^2) + \frac{1}{2} M \dot{x}_0^2 \\ = \frac{1}{2} m (\dot{x}_0^2 - 2 \dot{x}_0 \dot{\theta} R \sin \theta + R^2 \dot{\theta}^2) + \frac{1}{2} M \dot{x}_0^2

Gravitational potential energy of the particle:

V = m g y = m g ( R + R sin θ ) V = m g y = m g (R + R \sin \theta)

Lagrangian:

L = T V = 1 2 m ( x ˙ 0 2 2 x ˙ 0 θ ˙ R sin θ + R 2 θ ˙ 2 ) + 1 2 M x ˙ 0 2 m g ( R + R sin θ ) L = T - V = \frac{1}{2} m (\dot{x}_0^2 - 2 \dot{x}_0 \dot{\theta} R \sin \theta + R^2 \dot{\theta}^2) + \frac{1}{2} M \dot{x}_0^2 - m g (R + R \sin \theta)

Equations of Motion:

d d t L x ˙ 0 = L x 0 d d t L θ ˙ = L θ \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\dot{x}_0}} = \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{x_0}} \\ \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\dot{\theta}}} = \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\theta}}

Evaluating results in the following system of equations to be solved for the second derivatives:

[ m + M m R sin θ m R sin θ m R 2 ] [ x ¨ 0 θ ¨ ] = [ m R cos θ θ ˙ 2 m g R cos θ ] \begin{bmatrix} m+M & -mR \sin \theta \\ -mR \sin \theta & m R^2 \\ \end{bmatrix} \begin{bmatrix} \ddot{x}_0 \\ \ddot{\theta} \\ \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} mR \cos \theta \, \dot{\theta}^2 \\ - m g R \cos \theta \\ \end{bmatrix}

Initialize a numerical solution as follows:

x 0 ( 0 ) = 0 θ ( 0 ) = 0 x ˙ 0 ( 0 ) = 0 θ ˙ ( 0 ) = 0 x_0 (0) = 0 \\ \theta (0) = 0 \\ \dot{x}_0 (0) = 0 \\ \dot{\theta} (0) = 0

On each time step, solve the linear system for the double-dot terms, and numerically integrate. Plots of x 0 x_0 and θ \theta are given below. The period of motion is about 19.73 19.73 . Simulation code is also attached.

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import math
import numpy as np
import random

# Constants

M = 4.0
m = 2.0
R = 80.0
g = 10.0

dt = 10.0**(-5.0)

###########################################

# Initialize variables
t = 0.0
count = 0

theta = 0.0
x0 = 0.0

thetad = 0.0
x0d = 0.0

thetadd = 0.0
x0dd = 0.0

###########################################

# Numerical integration

max = -9999999.0

while t <= 40.0:

    x0 = x0 + x0d*dt
    theta = theta + thetad*dt

    x0d = x0d + x0dd*dt
    thetad = thetad + thetadd*dt

    J11 = m + M
    J12 = -m*R*math.sin(theta)

    J21 = -m*R*math.sin(theta)
    J22 = m*(R**2.0)

    J =  np.array([[J11,J12],[J21,J22]])
    vec = np.array([m*R*math.cos(theta)*(thetad**2.0),-m*g*R*math.cos(theta)])

    Sol = np.linalg.solve(J, vec)

    x0dd = Sol[0]
    thetadd = Sol[1]

    if (t>15.0) and (t<25.0) and (theta > max):
        max = theta
        t_store = t

    t = t + dt
    count = count + 1

    #if count % 1000 == 0:
        #print t,x0,theta

print dt
print t_store

#1e-05
#19.73016999

Excellent solution sir. Thanku for sharing it with us. :)

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Thanks. Nice job solving it with conservation principles too. It's tempting to ask why the vertical momentum doesn't have to be conserved.

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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It's because there is gravity in vertical direction, so momentum isn't conserved, isn't it?

Aryan Sanghi - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Aryan Sanghi I suppose in the real case of a ball falling toward the Earth, the Earth actually moves upwards very very slightly to conserve momentum (and because of equal and opposite forces). But the effect is so small that it can't even be measured.

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase instead of saying can't even be measured you should say, right now we don't have such advanced equipments to measure that effect.
But don't worry ,I will definitely try to make that equipment.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

I initially attempted solving it this way. With a time step of 1 0 4 s 10^{-4} \ s , I obtained a result of T 19.1257 T \approx 19.1257 . I noticed that the solution took a significantly long time while using a time step of 1 0 5 s 10^{-5} \ s . I was wondering if you observed the same?

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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There was a bug in my code. I have resolved it and it is now okay

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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It takes some seconds to run, but I don't consider that to be a long time

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase It was taking me more than a minute. The condition based on which I ran my loop was flawed.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath Yeah, my strategy was to make a plot to get an idea of the behavior. Then I looked for a local maximum corresponding to one elapsed period, and stored the associated time.

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase Yes, I modified my code based on your solution. Mine relied on numerical tolerances which were not giving a good estimate.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath Numerical techniques are a bit of a black art

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase what does Black Art mean?

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley It means that there is no pre-defined recipe that will guarantee success. One has to rely on judgement and experience.

Steven Chase - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase Oh yeah.
Searching on internet, it shows me skull. Lol.

Talulah Riley - 9 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley @Lil Doug XD

He means it's like a dark art.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 3 weeks ago

I would just like to ask: Is this a coupled system of equations? If so, would you have to use Linear Algebra to solve a coupled system?

Krishna Karthik - 9 months, 1 week ago

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Using linear algebra is not necessary, but is quite convenient. It saves one the effort of manually solving for the acceleration expressions.

Karan Chatrath - 9 months, 1 week ago

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