Multitalented Multi - Conductors!

A Charge Q Q ( of mass m m ) is placed symmetrically as shown between two infinitely long grounded conducting sheets . Now the charge is left free when it is at a distance of 1m from each of the sheets .

Find the time taken by it to collide with the conductors.

If your answer can be represented as

a b π 3 m ϵ ° ( c d + 1 ) e Q 2 \large{\sqrt{ \frac{ a \sqrt{b} \pi^3 m \epsilon_° ( c \sqrt{ d} + 1)}{ e Q^2} }}

Where a and e are co-prime integers and b and d are square free integer and c is also an integer.

Enter Your Answer as a × b × c × d × e a × b × c × d × e


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This is a part of my set Aniket's Electrostats Challenges


The answer is 224.

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2 solutions

Method of images kills this problem.

Just we want a configuration where net potential on the conductors is zero.Clearly a configuration of charges placed placed on the vertices of square ABCD where adjacent vertices charges have equal magnitude and opposite nature.The equipotential lines here pass through the perpendicular bisectors of the sides of squares.Now just do the basic computations and our answer comes.

a=4

b=c=d=2

e=7

abcde = 224

My first lvl5 EM problem i solved on brilliant :P

Congrats... Nice sol.....+1:)

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

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I have recently started learning EM stuffs and they are pretty awesome+intresting!

Can you refer some resources from where you studied 'em?

Harsh Shrivastava - 4 years, 2 months ago

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Griffith's,Edward Purcell and David.J.Morin,Feynman's etc.I first completed HCV,and Irodov EM and then studied these for Olympiads.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

Yes I particularly like the Maths involved here...Curl,Divergence,Laplace eq,Poisson's eq.,Greens Theorem etc are really some very interesting things in EM.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 2 months ago

Could u please elaborate .I am not quite able to get it

Zerocool 141 - 4 years, 1 month ago

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Its better of you refer to the image charge theory from say(Feynman's Lectures in Physics,Vol-2 or Edward M Purcell,David J.Morin's book,or any other book coz this is quite a standard prob which you can easily solve once you read it.

Spandan Senapati - 4 years, 1 month ago

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ok thanks :)

Zerocool 141 - 4 years, 1 month ago

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@Zerocool 141 i asked for a proper solution as i have read image theory but am confused and am not able to approach this problem

Zerocool 141 - 4 years, 1 month ago

Does the fact that the charge and its mirror image are moving have no effect whatsoever on the credibility of the method of mirror images? The moving charge would also produce a magnetic field, which will definitely affect the behaviour of the image charge etc. Could someone please elaborate on why this method is still applicable, or maybe explain how to make the necessary corrections? Thanks in advance!

Rahul Sethi - 3 years, 11 months ago

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We don't have the physical existence of an image charge.Treat the system as 2 conductor s and the given charge.So even if you were to take the magnetic field of the point charge it won't effect the statics of the problem.And secondly considering the speeds are negligible compared to speed of light the ratio F ( m a g ) / F ( e l e c t r i c ) = ( v / c ) 2 F(mag)/F(electric)=(v/c)^2 is quite negligible. So anyways Magnetic field doesn't affect the motion and neither the statics of the problem.

Spandan Senapati - 3 years, 11 months ago

I used the method of image charges ( may be the standard approach ).

In the picture above the red dots represent positive charge and the blue dots represent the negative charge.

Now from the Coulomb's law we have(as shown in the above picture):

F 1 = q 2 4 π ϵ 0 ( 2 a ) 2 a y \large \vec{F_1}=\frac{-q^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0(2a)^2}a_y

F 2 = q 2 4 π ϵ 0 ( 2 b ) 2 a x \large \vec{F_2}=\frac{-q^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0(2b)^2}a_x

F 2 = q 2 4 π ϵ 0 ( ( 2 a ) 2 + ( 2 b ) 2 ) 3 2 ( a x 2 b + a y 2 a ) \large \vec{F_2}=\frac{-q^2}{4\pi\epsilon_0((2a)^2+(2b)^2)^{\frac{3}{2}}}(a_x2b+a_y2a)

So now we have F = F 1 + F 2 + F 3 \vec{F}=\vec{F_1}+\vec{F_2}+\vec{F_3}

F = q 2 16 π ϵ 0 [ a x ( b ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 b 2 ) + a y ( a ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 a 2 ) ] \Rightarrow\large \vec{F}=\frac{q^2}{16\pi\epsilon_0}[a_x(\frac{b}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{b^2})+a_y(\frac{a}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{a^2})]

F = q 2 16 π ϵ 0 [ ( b ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 b 2 ) ] 2 + [ ( a ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 a 2 ) ] 2 \Rightarrow|\vec{F}|=\frac{q^2}{16\pi\epsilon_0}\sqrt{[(\frac{b}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{b^2})]^2+[(\frac{a}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{a^2})]^2}

m a = q 2 16 π ϵ 0 [ ( b ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 b 2 ) ] 2 + [ ( a ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 a 2 ) ] 2 \Rightarrow -ma=\frac{q^2}{16\pi\epsilon_0}\sqrt{[(\frac{b}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{b^2})]^2+[(\frac{a}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{a^2})]^2}

where a a is the acceleration and is given by:

a = q 2 16 π ϵ 0 m [ ( b ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 b 2 ) ] 2 + [ ( a ( a 2 + b 2 ) 3 2 1 a 2 ) ] 2 \Rightarrow a=-\frac{q^2}{16\pi\epsilon_0\cdot m}\sqrt{[(\frac{b}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{b^2})]^2+[(\frac{a}{(a^2+b^2)^\frac{3}{2}}-\frac{1}{a^2})]^2}

Also observe that the positive charge is symmetrically distant from both the infinite conductors so its path will be a straight line joining the point at which both the conductors meet. Hence we can take a=b=x(as given in the image). Putting this in the above equation we get

a = q 2 16 π ϵ 0 m ( 2 2 1 ) x 2 \Rightarrow a=-\frac{q^2}{16\pi\epsilon_0\cdot m}\frac{(2\sqrt2-1)}{x^2}

Now let k = q 2 16 π ϵ 0 m ( 2 2 1 ) k=\frac{q^2}{16\pi\epsilon_0\cdot m}{(2\sqrt2-1)}

We know a = v d v d x a=v\cdot\frac{dv}{dx} .

v d v d x = k x 2 \Rightarrow\large v\cdot\frac{dv}{dx}=-\frac{k}{x^2}

v d v = k x 2 d x \Rightarrow\large v\cdot dv=-\frac{k}{x^2} \cdot dx

v d v = k x 2 d x \Rightarrow\large \int v\cdot dv = -\int \frac{k}{x^2} \cdot dx

Now integrating and applying the initial condition that at x = 1 , v = 0 x=1, v=0

v 2 2 = k ( 1 x 1 ) \Rightarrow\large \frac{v^2}{2} = k(\frac{1}{x} -1)

v = 2 k ( 1 x 1 ) \Rightarrow\large v =- \sqrt{2 k(\frac{1}{x} -1)}

d x d t = 2 k ( 1 x 1 ) \Rightarrow\large \frac{dx}{dt} =- \sqrt{2 k(\frac{1}{x} -1)}

t f = 1 0 1 2 k ( 1 x 1 ) d x \Rightarrow\large t_f =\int^0_1\frac{-1}{\sqrt{2 k(\frac{1}{x} -1)}}\cdot dx

t f = 0 1 1 2 k ( 1 x 1 ) d x \Rightarrow\large t_f =\int^1_0\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 k(\frac{1}{x} -1)}}\cdot dx

Computing the integral we have:

t f = π 2 3 2 k \Rightarrow\large t_f =\frac{\pi}{2^{\frac{3}{2}}\cdot \sqrt k}

t f = 4 2 π 3 m ϵ ° ( 2 2 + 1 ) 7 q 2 \Rightarrow \large t_f={\sqrt{ \frac{ 4 \sqrt{2} \pi^3 m \epsilon_° ( 2 \sqrt{ 2} + 1)}{ 7 q^2} }}

Therefore a = 4 , b = c = d = 2 , e = 7 a=4,b=c=d=2,e=7 .

a × b × c × d × e = 224 \Rightarrow a\times b\times c\times d \times e=\boxed{224}

My 1st LEVEL 5 EM 400 points problem.

Congrats! :)

Aniket Sanghi - 2 years, 11 months ago

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Thank you. @Aniket Sanghi , did you give nsep. I don't think of being selected in class 10 but want to give being prepared. Can you suggest some topics that I can skip as I will give in November.

Shreyansh Mukhopadhyay - 2 years, 11 months ago

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