My 800 followers problem!

Algebra Level 5

( 799 ( x y ) + 800 ( y z ) + 801 ( z x ) = 0 638401 ( x y ) + 640000 ( y z ) + 641601 ( z x ) = 800 \begin{array}{c}(799(x-y)& +& 800(y-z)& + &801(z-x) & =0 \\ 638401(x-y) & + & 640000(y-z) & +& 641601(z-x) & =800 \end{array}

If x , y , z x,y,z satisfy the above system of equations then find the value of x 2 y + z x-2y+z .


The answer is 1200.

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3 solutions

Nihar Mahajan
May 9, 2015

Let x y = p , y z = q , z x = r x-y=p \quad , \quad y-z=q \quad ,\quad z-x=r , then the system gets transformed to :

( p + q + r = 0 ( 1 ) 799 p + 800 q + 801 r = 0 ( 2 ) 79 9 2 p + 80 0 2 q + 80 1 2 r = 800 ( 3 ) \begin{array}{c}(p & + & q & + & r &=0 & \dots (1)\\ 799p& +& 800q& + &801r & =0 & \dots (2) \\ 799^2p & + & 800^2q & +& 801^2r & =800 &\dots (3) \end{array}

[ 800 × ( e q n . ( 1 ) ) ] ( e q n . ( 2 ) ) p r = 0 p = r ( 4 ) [800\times(eqn.(1))] - (eqn.(2))\Rightarrow p-r=0 \Rightarrow p=r \dots (4)

Substituting (4) in (1) q = 2 p ( 5 ) \text{Substituting (4) in (1) } \Rightarrow q=-2p \dots (5)

Substituting (4),(5) in (3) 79 9 2 p + 80 0 2 ( 2 p ) + 80 1 2 ( p ) = 800 p ( 79 9 2 ( 2 ) 80 0 2 + 80 1 2 ) = 800 p [ ( 799 + 800 ) ( 799 800 ) + ( 801 + 800 ) ( 801 800 ) ] = 800 p ( 1599 + 1601 ) = 800 2 p = 800 p = 400 , q = 800 \text{Substituting (4),(5) in (3)} \Rightarrow 799^2p+800^2(-2p)+801^2(p)=800 \\ \Rightarrow p(799^2-(2)800^2 + 801^2)=800 \\ \Rightarrow p[(799+800)(799-800) + (801+800)(801-800)]=800 \\ \Rightarrow p(-1599+1601)=800 \\ \Rightarrow 2p=800\\ \Rightarrow p = 400 \quad,\quad q=-800

x 2 y + z = x y ( y z ) = p q = 400 ( 800 ) = 400 + 800 x 2 y + z = 1200 \Rightarrow x-2y+z = x-y-(y-z) = p-q=400-(-800)=400+800 \\ \Rightarrow x-2y+z=\huge\boxed{\color{#D61F06}{1200}}

Bonus: Discover that y , x , z \quad y,x,z , in this order form an Arithmetic Progression.

Moderator note:

Very nice introducing dummy variables p , q , r p,q,r and creating another equation p + q + r = 0 p+q+r=0 . Beautiful solution, and very creative set up for a problem. Stunning work!

I am never good with This Equation Substitution Thing. I can't just see it. :3 :3

Mehul Arora - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Challenge student note : You can be good if you practice a lot. First you need to develop optimism and the quality of facing difficulties to tackle such problems.I bet you will succeed if you practice. Here's a smile : ¨ \ddot\smile

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Thanks for the smile. Uhmm Yeah, maybe I will develop that Skill of "Observation" once I practice more. :) Thanks for Motivating me :D

Mehul Arora - 6 years, 1 month ago

Can you help Me in the Problem I tagged you in?

Mehul Arora - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Mehul Arora I can't tell you here.Come on fb.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Nihar Mahajan Good question as well as soln.Up

Ayush Verma - 6 years, 1 month ago

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@Ayush Verma Uhhmm, It should be Upvoted, Sir. :D

Mehul Arora - 6 years, 1 month ago

High five! Did the same. how do you manage to frame such good questions buddy.?

Rohit Ner - 6 years, 1 month ago

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Idk , I just keep doing calculations , substitutions , etc.In this way I come across many results , which help me to frame a problem.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 1 month ago

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That's nice. Looking forward for your 900 followers problem . :)

Rohit Ner - 6 years, 1 month ago

Not bad . I'm expecting a Lvl 5 400 point question as your 1000 Followers question .

A Former Brilliant Member - 6 years, 1 month ago

I like your substitution method. I just rushed ahead with the algebra because I felt it was quicker. Anyways it's not much smaller than this.

Avinash Singh - 6 years ago

I did it using ugly way.

Btw, nic problem and solution.

Dev Sharma - 5 years, 7 months ago
Nabil Maani
May 11, 2015

Ayush Verma
May 9, 2015

There is an alternative way to solve this,Eqs can be written as, 2 x + y + z = 0 -2x+y+z=0 3200 x + 1599 y + 1601 z 800 = 0 -3200x+1599y+1601z-800=0 Let x 2 y + z = M x-2 y+z=M or x 2 y + z M = 0 x-2 y+z-M =0 As only 2 eqs are given for 3 variable but we have to find value of M,so above 3 eqs must be linearly dependent so let, 3200 x + 1599 y + 1601 z 800 = p ( 2 x + y + z ) + q ( x 2 y + z M ) -3200x+1599y+1601z-800=p(-2x+y+z)+q( x-2y+z-M) Compare coefficient & constant, q M = 800 qM=800 2 p + q = 3200 -2p+q=-3200 p 2 q = 1599 p-2q=1599 p + q = 1601 p+q=1601 Above 3 eqs have unique soln (3p , 3q)=(4801 , 2) M = 800 / q = 2400 / 3 q = 2400 / 2 = 1200 M=800/q=2400/3q=2400/2=1200

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