Is the following equation true?
1 2 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = 4 4 7 2
Hint:
How is this related to
Fermat's last theorem
?
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You have a huge space to type in!
Don't make someone else spend 7 years of Sundays to solve your problems.
I see what you did there :D
I saw a video on Numberphile about this, so I just solved this "Fermat's Last theorem" problem without even thinking about it
Haha...LOVE YOUR RESPONSE.... ;). !!!!
Aww I'm too late. It's the cheekiest remark any mathematician could write
Arrgghh!Mr Fermat has risen from the dead!And he is now very angry with the setter of this question for violating his theorem!!!
To be fair to Fermat: He did actually prove that the Diophantine equation x 4 + y 2 = z 4 has no positive integer solutions ("Fermat's Right Triangle Theorem"); this suffices to prove that our equation here is wrong. Fermat's proof is rather simple, by infinite descent.
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Maybe I should change my equation to this: 1 9 4 3 3 2 9 1 9 + 5 1 1 4 4 1 9 = 5 1 2 5 7 .
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People knew by the end of the 1800s that there are no solutions for n=19. Maybe you should post this example:
"Counterexample to Fermat's Last Theorem Found!!! There has been a really amazing development today on Fermat's Last Theorem. Noam Elkies has announced a counterexample, so that FLT is not true after all! His spoke about this at the Institute today. The solution to Fermat that he constructs involves an incredibly large prime exponent (larger that 10^20), but it is constructive. The main idea seems to be a kind of Heegner point construction, combined with an really ingenious descent for passing from the modular curves to the Fermat curve. The really difficult part of the argument seems to be to show that the field of definition of the solution (which, a priori, is some ring class field of an imaginary quadratic field) actually descends to Q. I wasn't able to get all the details, which were quite intricate... So it seems that the Shimura Taniyama conjecture is not true after all. The experts think that it can still be salvaged, by extending the concept of automorphic representation, and introducing a notion of "anomalous curves" that would still give rise to a "quasi-automorphic representation". "
This e-mail circulated in April, 1994, hitting the mathematical community like a bombshell.
can anyone tell that why calculator is giving wrong answer
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It doesn't show the last few digits of the number
The screen is too short
Hahaha This made me smile.
My iPad is clever enough to say it is not true XD (just kidding)
Fermat's Last Theorem huh.
Wow
Oh god that's amazing? Do you want to come over to my house for dinner?
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Do you want to come to MY HOUSE for dinner?(Btw, I will bring Mr Fermat along with me)
That's a lot of likes BTW.
Something similar to this was featured in an episode of the Simpsons as a freeze frame gag
plzzz type ur solution.....
2.5 years late pffff
150th upvote.
Subtle reference. I like that.
What margin!?!?
🤣
please sollllluttttion
this is wrong
it is easy with ancient indian mathematical methods, just for few seconds.
Please do not talk like Fermat
If Calculator say,s it True, It is true. We don't have time to waste.
THE "NO" is not Correct at all: PROOF IS AS UNDER: (3987) Power 12 = 1.61345E+43 And (4365) Power 12 = 4.78422E+43 SUM of both = 6.39767E+43 and 1/12 power of this sum is = 4472 ANSWER = Correct Now you prove How Your "NO" is right answer.
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By your logic, 1 0 1 0 0 + 1 = 1 . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 E + 1 0 0 = 1 0 1 0 0 ?
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My logic is: 2+2=4. Be a bit smart and put the figers on an Excel Sheet. You will get the answer. If you can't do it, allow me to send you a soled sheet.
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@Shahid Qureshi – figers? Are you under the impression that 3 9 8 7 1 2 is EXACTLY equals to 1 . 6 1 3 4 5 E + 4 3 , that is 1 6 1 3 4 5 followed by 3 8 zeros?
@Shahid Qureshi – A Very Close Value is 4472.0000000070592907382135292414.............. Your Calculator has a limit to its solving ( ALU)] It isn't a SUPERCOMPUTER... So it gives the value 4472.
@Shahid Qureshi – Your calculator may not have enough computing power (or space for that matter) to show you that 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = 4 4 7 2 1 2 , however it is still the case. Andrew Wilson devoted ~ 8 years of his life studying Fermat's Last Theorem before actually proving it. This equation is just a classic example of a "near miss"
This is a pretty funny problem, actually. Obviously, it is not true, because it is a violation of Fermat's Last Theorem. This is known as a "Fermat near miss." A calculator will tell you that two sides are equal, but there are digits of the numbers after what the calculator will tell you that are not equal.
Another way to tell that the two sides aren't equal is to take both sides mod easy to work with numbers. Taking each side mod 2 and mod 1 0 is inconclusive. The left side, if it is in fact an integer, would be divisible by 3 , because 3 9 8 7 1 2 and 4 3 6 5 1 2 are both divisible by 3 1 2 . However, 4 4 7 2 is not divisible by 3 , so 4 4 7 2 1 2 is not divisible by 3 either.
You can learn more about Fermat near misses in this video from Numberphile.
4472.0000000070592907382135292414 is shown on the built in windows calculator (in scientific mode) as well.
"4472.0000000070592907382135292414" my calculator shows this answer
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Also my calculator !!
Well, your solution made me surprised.
its interesting . . .
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If one knows the cube and fourth-power cases of FLT as being more reliable (as it were), then there's an easier way to check the 12th-power case, since x^12 = (x^3)^4 = (x^4)^3.
The FLT near-misses are sort of analogous to Pell's Equation (PE)
b² = na² + 1
Here's what I mean. When n is a positive non-square integer (+NSI), the ancient reductio-ad-absurdam proof of Euclid says that
b² = na²
has no positive integer (+I) solutions, (a,b), on the way to proving √n is irrational. Solutions of PE and the associated Pell's Equation (APE)
b² = na² - 1
can be considered "Euclid near-misses." BTW, PE has +I solutions for every +NSI, n; [note that (0,1) is always a solution, but not a positive one, because of the 0] the APE has solutions for infinitely many +NSI's (e.g., 2, 5, 10, 13); but lacks solutions for infinitely many others (e.g., 3, 6, 7, 11).
Assuming it to be true
3987^12 = 4472^12-4365^12 = (4472-4365)(.........) = 107 * (..)
Since 3987 is not divisible by 107, it has to be false
That is another way of thinking about it...well done!!
Nice. I also solved in the same way..
A violation of Fermat's Last Theorem
Without resorting to Fermat's Last Theorem, can you find an elementary proof?
Also, why would the calculator tell you that?
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odd number^12 = odd number
odd number^12 + odd number^12 = odd number + odd number
but when we add two odd numbers the is divisible by 2 but not 4 or 8.
therefore we can write
2*odd number= odd number^12 +odd_number^12
when we take the twelfth root of this we should get an irrational
number because there is only one 2 as a factor of that number.
I suppose that the calculator approximated it...I checked it on wolfram alpha...It give a value of 4 4 7 2 . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 5 9
And about the elementary proof, I do not know...Do you? If so, would you be so kind to tell me?
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Hint: m o d 3
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@Pi Han Goh – Perfect.
I was thinking of the special case of Fermat's Last theorem when n = 3 or n = 4 .
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Of course...Thank you...
The LHS is divisible by 3, while the RHS is not..
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@Anish Puthuraya – Hi Anish! How did you deduce that the left hand side is divisible by 3?
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@Mark Mottian – You would need to know the concept and the properties of Modular Arithmetic for this.
Note: Read all the properties of Modular arithmetic from the link that I have provided.
Raise to the power
1
2
on both sides and,
We take
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m
o
d
3
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on both sides.
( 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 ) ( m o d 3 ) = 4 4 7 2 1 2 ( m o d 3 )
3 9 8 7 1 2 ( m o d 3 ) + 4 3 6 5 1 2 ( m o d 3 ) = ( 4 4 7 2 ( m o d 3 ) ) 1 2
( 3 9 8 7 ( m o d 3 ) ) 1 2 + ( 4 3 6 5 ( m o d 3 ) ) 1 2 = 2
0 + 0 = 2
Since this equation is
not
true,
thus the given equation is False.
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@Anish Puthuraya – Also check this link for more deep understanding of it.
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@Anish Puthuraya – Thank you so much Anish!
@Anish Puthuraya – In this it can be deduced even without modular arithmetic as both 3 9 8 7 and 4 3 6 5 are divisible by 3 .
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@Eddie The Head – In this case it works but not always I suppose
@Pi Han Goh – mod 4 helps too.
calculation vise it is correct buts this is against the Fermat's Last Theorem.so these three numbers prove this law wrong which states that In number theory, Fermat's Last Theorem (sometimes called Fermat's conjecture, especially in older texts) states that no three positive integers a, b, and c can satisfy the equation a^n + b^n = c^n for any integer value of n greater than two.
This is known as Homer's Last Theorem from the Simpsons (the episode was "Wizard of Evergreen Terrace"
The equation above and the inequality below are also quite interesting...
The LHS is clearly divisible by 3 but the RHS is not !! Buy a better calculator mate!! :D :D
9 is a common factor for both 3987 and 4365.. taking the common factor out of the root, implies that 4472 should be divisible by 9.. but it is not.. hence the given equation doesn't hold good.
1 2 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = 4 4 7 2 ,
then 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = 4 4 7 2 1 2
Or by Fermat's last theorem : there is no three positive integers x , y , z , that satisfy x n + y n = z n
if true, then 3987^12+4365^12=4472^12, and obviously is a violation of Fermat's theorem
According to Fermat's Last Theorem, for integers n > 2 , there are no integers a , b , and c for which a n + b n = c n . Since, 1 2 > 2 , there cannot be integers a , b , and c such that a 1 2 + b 1 2 = c 1 2 .
Therefore, there is no integer c where 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = c 1 2 , meaning that there is no integer c such that 1 2 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = c . Thus the value of 1 2 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 is not an integer, while the above equation asserts that 1 2 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 is equal to the integer 4 4 7 2 , meaning that the above statement is false .
Nicely written! +1
Bonus question: Can you find another triplet of positive integers ( a , b , c ) and a positive integer n > 2 such that n a n + b n is almost equal to c ?
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1. n = 3
( a , b , c ) = ( 1 9 3 2 8 4 7 5 3 4 5 0 , 1 1 1 5 5 4 5 3 4 5 4 5 , 2 0 4 9 5 2 6 3 7 4 5 1 )
Note that @Pi Han Goh, if you simply plug in extremely large (around 12-digit) numbers and use n = 3 , many calculators will simply give an integer output (or, sometimes, state "Error: Overflow"). (This was how the above example was calculated.)
Out of curiosity, does this mean that using large numbers simply makes n a n + b n ≈ c (for integers c ), or is this just caused by the rounding performed by the calculator?
In addition, based on my method, you would need two 22-digit numbers to make 1 2 a 1 2 + b 1 2 ≈ c for integers c . Can you show me how you got such a simple but powerful example of a Fermat near miss using only 2 four-digit numbers and n = 1 2 ?
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or is this just caused by the rounding performed by the calculator?
Rounding error.
How can we generate triplets of a , b , c with suitable n such that it's a near miss? See this .
See other articles like this too and this one too .
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@Pi Han Goh – Ok thanks!
Also, is it possibly to prove that there are infinite Fermat "near-misses" of the form n a n + b n ≈ c or a n + b n ≈ c n for which c n a n + b n is extremely close to 1 (say, at most 0 . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 away from 1 )?
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@Infinity Mathematics – Yup! Read the last article I've linked above. It shows that we can easily generate infinitely many values of x , y , z satisfying x 3 + y 3 = z 3 ± 1 .
Since it's just asked to check the correctness we could check by considering the common factors on both the side. Now for LHS Nos, we get 3987 = 1329 * 3 and 4365= 1455*3, raising to power 12 and taking 3^12 common LHS becomes multiple of 3 where RHS which is 4472 isnt. SO it must be false. Simple...!
Actually the value of: ( 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 ) 1 / 1 2 = 4 4 7 2 . 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 7 0 5 9 2 ( a p p r o x . )
Thus, ( 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 ) 1 / 1 2 is not equal to 4 4 7 2 .
So, the answer is N o .
Use logarithm, and solve with appoxrimate values.
Easiest way to think is LHS is divisible by 3, but RHS is not
I did this very basically. Not applying any fermat principles here. from 4365 I wrote it as 3987+378 so it becomes 12th root of:- 3987^12+(3987+378)^12 Now from the second bracket too 3987 common to give, 3987^12+3987^12(1+0.094), ignoring 0.094, just for convinience, we get 3987 12th root of 2 which is 3987 1.05 which is 4186 which led me to answer. Of course I had seen the Numberphile video but this was just some simple method I used. I do agree its not the best of mathematical methods as difference between idealized answer and calculator answer are not very far but I reasoned that 0.094 will not have affected 12th root much. I Can be wrong here though, correct me as needed.
this is not (a+b)^2 type to take out a+b from root, it is a^2 + b^2 at any cost find out a^12 value and b^12 value add them then go for 2x2x......... from that take out one number of 12 same nos. if it is perfect 12th root we will get nos. without remain odd multiply selected nos result is answer
2 3 2 4 1 7 1 1 5 9 3 3 2 3 5 3 8 5 3 1 3 2 0 8 2 1 2 5 4 8 8 3 0 0 7 4 4 5 7 , not even close.
It's because the calculator can't show all the digits so it truncates all but the last few digits also FLT
Because no number greater than 2 exist which satisfy x^n+y^n=z^n
If x n + y n = z n , n > 2 , n ∈ Z , x y z = 0 , then there are no solutions for ( x , y , z ) such that x , y , z ∈ Z .
Using the divisibility test, 3987 and 4365 are both divisible by 9, while 4472 is not. For 4472 to be a solution, it would need to be divisible by gcd(3987,4365)
As seen on the Simpsons, Homer Simpson brilliant "solved" FLT, however this was later proven false by Andrew Wiles.
FERMATS LAST THEOREM......
it cannot be true because of Fermat's last theorem. x^n+y^n=z^n if n>2 and n is positive integer have no whole number solution
Hint: Use The Even-Odd theory to justify the answer.
Do you mean prove that one side is an even number and the other side is an odd number? If yes, can you show me?
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The RHS is divisible by 4 but the LHS isn't, being the sum of the squares of two odd numbers.
Just check modulo 3 : 3987 mod 3 = 4365 mod 3 = 0 but 4472 mod 3 = -1 therefore 0 would be equal to 1 !
From Fermat's Last Theorem x^12 + y^12 not equal to z^12.. So it's always False.
What is Fermat's Last Theorem..
One possible solution is to determine if the two numbers on the sides of the equations, that is after raising both sides to 12, will be both divisible by a certain number. In this case, I tried 9.
Note that 3 9 8 7 ( m o d 9 ) ≡ 0 while 4 3 6 5 ( m o d 9 ) ≡ 0 . Thus, 3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 ( m o d 9 ) ≡ 0
On the other hand, 4 4 7 2 ( m o d 9 ) ≡ − 1 . Thus, 4 4 7 2 1 2 ( m o d 9 ) ≡ 1 . Therefore, they are not equal.
i try to use simple number, like 4, 3 , and 2.
change 12 becomes 3, and 3987 becomes 4 and 4365 becomes 2 (and also try another numbers)
and the result if you change the number is 4,16.
so the conclusion is that the biggest number is the root is the answer
(3987,13)=1 (4365,13)=1 Following Fermat'sTheorem,we have 3987^12=1(mod 13) and 4365^12=1(mod 13) In the other hand, 4472=0(mod 13) So, the following equation is false.
It can be rewritten as follows:
3 9 8 7 1 2 + 4 3 6 5 1 2 = 4 4 7 2 1 2
This is the same that
9 1 2 ( 4 4 3 1 2 + 4 8 5 1 2 ) = 8 1 2 1 3 1 2 4 3 1 2
The left hand side is divisible by 3 while the right side is not. Therefore the answer is NO .
Let have a look at this equation if it is true (actually it isn’t). √(12&〖3987〗^12+ 〖4365〗^12 )=4472 〖3987〗^12+〖4365〗^12=〖4472〗^12 〖3987〗^12= 〖4472〗^12-〖4365〗^12 * We have: 〖4472〗^12-〖4365〗^12=(〖4472〗^6-〖4365〗^6 )(〖4472〗^6+〖4365〗^6) 〖4472〗^6-〖4365〗^6=(〖4472〗^3-〖4365〗^3 )(〖4472〗^3+〖4365〗^3 ) 〖4472〗^3-〖4365〗^3=(4472-4365)(〖4472〗^2+4472×4365+〖4365〗^2 )=107(〖4472〗^2+4472×4365+〖4365〗^2 ) If * is true, 3987/107 is an integer. Howerver it is not an integer. Thus, the equation is wrong. P/s: I don't know why it doesn't have its origin. So sorry.
No simple bcz both sides are not divisible by 3 so they are not equal also 12 is cut by 12underroot and both sum is not equal to right hand side
aggred with your thincking
Note, 3 divides 3987 and 4365 but it does not divide 4472. Thus, we have a contradiction.
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