My fifth integral problem

Calculus Level 4

3 1 x 2 + 4 x 2 + 16 x 2 + 64 x 2 + d x = ? \large \displaystyle \int_{-3}^{1} \sqrt{x^{2} + \sqrt{4x^{2} + \sqrt{16x^{2} + \sqrt{64x^{2} + \cdots}}}} \, dx = \, ?

Clarification : The coefficient of x 2 x^2 in each successive nested radical is in the form of 4 n 1 4^{n-1} , where n n is a positive integer.


The answer is 9.

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2 solutions

Rishabh Jain
Feb 3, 2016

This problem is a beautiful modification and extension of 3 . Other inspirations might be 2 and 1 .Note: x + 1 = ( x + 1 ) 2 |x+1|=\sqrt{(x+1)^2} = x 2 + 2 x + 1 =\sqrt{x^2+\color{#D61F06}{2x+1}} = x 2 + ( 2 x + 1 ) 2 =\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{\color{#D61F06}{(2x+1)^2}}} = x 2 + 4 x 2 + 4 x + 1 =\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{4x^2+\color{#20A900}{4x+1}}} = x 2 + 4 x 2 + ( 4 x + 1 ) 2 =\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{4x^2+\sqrt{\color{#20A900}{(4x+1)^2}}}} = x 2 + 4 x 2 + 16 x 2 + 8 x + 1 =\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{4x^2+\sqrt{16x^2+\color{#3D99F6}{8x+1}}}} = =\cdots which is what required in the question hence 3 1 x + 1 = 4 . . . . . see figure \int_{-3}^{1} |x+1| =\Large \color{#624F41}{\boxed{\color{#302B94}{4}}}.....\small{\text{see figure}}

Your graph is wrong. the vertex needs to be at x=-1 instead of x= 1 however the area will be 4

Ayush Garg - 5 years, 4 months ago

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Yup...corrected

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

I agree with this solution, why has been the answer changed?why the solution is 9, now?

Guillermo Templado - 5 years, 4 months ago

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I also couldn't know where I went wrong...... See now only 2 percent got this question right.....

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

x 1 = x 2 2 x + 1 = x 2 + 4 x 2 4 x + 1 = x 2 + 4 x 2 + 16 x 2 8 x + 1 = x 2 + 4 x 2 + 16 x 2 + 64 x 2 16 x + 1 = |x-1|=\sqrt{x^2-2x+1}=\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{4x^2-4x+1}}=\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{4x^2+\sqrt{16x^2-8x+1}}}=\sqrt{x^2+\sqrt{4x^2+\sqrt{16x^2+\sqrt{64x^2-16x+1}}}}=\ldots How do we tell the difference?

John Frank - 5 years, 4 months ago

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Going from step 1 to 2 in your solution you make an assumption that 1>2x that's why you have written (1-2x)= 4 x 2 4 x + 1 \sqrt{4x^2-4x+1} and hence for following steps you have to ensure 4x<1, 16x<1,.. which is not the case since we are integrating from -3 to 1.

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

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I see now. Thank you!

John Frank - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@John Frank Can you find any flaw in this approach ?? Why is the answer been edited to 9??

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@Rishabh Jain I think you should refer to Hobart Pao's updated solution.

John Frank - 5 years, 4 months ago

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@John Frank I have seen that but couldn't understand where things went wrong... But OK .... I'll delete my solution after some time....

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

May you tell me how you knew that it was the absolute value of x + 1 x+1 ? I had not thought of the absolute value sign and so I was very confused with this question.

John Frank - 5 years, 4 months ago
Hobart Pao
Feb 2, 2016

UPDATED SOLUTION \textbf{UPDATED SOLUTION} Inspiration from Amazing Nested Radical 3 The point of this problem is to consider the following: x + 1 \left| x+1 \right| can be rewritten as ( x + 1 ) 2 \sqrt{(x+1)^{2} }

= x 2 + 2 x + 1 = \sqrt{x^{2} + 2x + 1 }

= x 2 + ( 2 x + 1 ) 2 = \sqrt{x^{2} + \sqrt{(2x + 1)^{2}}}

= x 2 + 4 x 2 + 4 x + 1 = \sqrt{x^{2} + \sqrt{ 4x^{2} + 4x + 1 }}

= x 2 + 4 x 2 + ( 4 x + 1 ) 2 = \sqrt{x^{2} + \sqrt{ 4x^{2} + \sqrt{(4x+1)^{2} }}}

= x 2 + 4 x 2 + 16 x 2 + 8 x + 1 = \sqrt{x^{2} + \sqrt{ 4x^{2} + \sqrt{16x^{2} + 8x + 1}}}

and so on.

However, because we have x 2 x^2 all over the place, then the function becomes an even function. If you have a negative value of x x , you get the positive value of x x for f ( x ) f(x) . So,

3 1 f ( x ) d x = 3 0 f ( x ) d x + 0 1 f ( x ) d x = 3 0 ( x + 1 ) d x + 0 1 ( x + 1 ) d x = 9 . \int_{-3}^1 f(x) \ dx = \int_{-3}^0 f(x) \ dx + \int_0^1 f(x) \ dx = \int_{-3}^0 (-x + 1) \ dx + \int_0^1 (x + 1) \ dx = \boxed{9}.

Can you tell what's the flaw in previous approach...???

Rishabh Jain - 5 years, 4 months ago

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Because x + 1 \left| x + 1 \right| is not an even function, but since we have x 2 x^{2} all over the place in the integral, we have to make x + 1 \left| x + 1 \right| even by taking absolute value of the x x inside.

Hobart Pao - 5 years, 4 months ago

Did it the same way!

Harsh Khatri - 5 years, 4 months ago

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