Five Five Five Five, Repeat

Algebra Level 1

5 5 5 = ? \LARGE \sqrt{ \color{#EC7300}5\sqrt{\color{#EC7300}5\sqrt{\color{#EC7300}5 \cdots}}}= \ ?

0 5 1 not possible to find

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6 solutions

Caleb Townsend
Feb 12, 2015

Consider a function f ( x ) = 5 5 5... 5 x f(x) = \sqrt{5\sqrt{5\sqrt{5...\sqrt{5_x}}}} so that f ( 1 ) = 5 , f ( 2 ) = 5 5 , f ( 3 ) = 5 5 5 , f(1) = \sqrt{5},\ f(2) = \sqrt{5\sqrt{5}},\ f(3) = \sqrt{5\sqrt{5\sqrt{5}}}, and so forth. Note that f ( x ) f(x) is precisely f ( x ) = 5 1 / 2 × 5 1 / 4 × . . . × 5 1 / 2 x f(x) = 5^{1/2} \times 5^{1/4} \times ... \times 5^{1/2^x} Adding the exponents gives f ( x ) = 5 ( 2 x 1 ) / ( 2 x ) f(x) = 5^{(2^x - 1)/(2^x)} Now taking the limit of f ( x ) , f(x), lim x f ( x ) = 5 lim x ( 2 x 1 ) / ( 2 x ) \lim_{x\to\infty} f(x) = 5^{\lim_{x\to\infty} (2^x-1)/(2^x)} since 5 x 5^x is continuous for x . x. Applying L'Hopital's rule, lim x ( 2 x 1 ) / ( 2 x ) = lim x ( 2 x ln 2 ) / ( 2 x ln 2 ) = 1 \lim_{x\to\infty} (2^x-1)/(2^x)= \lim_{x\to\infty} (2^x\ln2)/(2^x\ln2) = 1 therefore lim x f ( x ) = lim x 5 1 = 5 \lim_{x\to\infty} f(x) = \lim_{x\to\infty} 5^1 = \boxed{5}

I haven't learnt calculus yet.... : ( : ( :( :(

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 4 months ago

Can you please explain to me the step of adding exponents ? @Caleb Townsend

Mohamed Ahmed Abd El-Fattah - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Yes, since we're multiplying 5 1 / 2 × 5 1 / 4 × . . . × 5 1 / 2 x , 5^{1/2} \times 5^{1/4} \times ... \times 5^{1/2^x}, the resulting exponent should be 1 / 2 + 1 / 4 + 1 / 8 + . . . + 1 / 2 x 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... + 1/2^x If you simplify the expression, it becomes something like 4 / 8 + 2 / 8 + 1 / 8 , or 8 / 16 + 4 / 16 + 2 / 16 + 1 / 16 , etc. 4/8 + 2/8 + 1/8, \text{ or} \\ 8/16 + 4/16 + 2/16 + 1/16,\text{ etc.} When you simplify this, the result will be 2 x 1 2 x . \frac{2^x - 1}{2^x}.

More conceptually, if you were to forgo the final term of that sum, and replace it with the previous term, the sum would be equal to 1 ; 1; and since the previous term is equal to twice the final term, you can algebraically find the sum using substitution.

Caleb Townsend - 6 years, 3 months ago

Do not understand calculus properly to use it in solving process !

Mahtab Hossain - 6 years, 2 months ago
Nihar Mahajan
Feb 11, 2015

Let 5 5 5 = x \sqrt{5\sqrt{5\sqrt{5\cdots}}} =x

5 x = x \sqrt{5x} = x

Squaring both sides ,

5 x = x 2 \Rightarrow 5x = x^2

x = 5 \Rightarrow \boxed {x = 5}

Notice that, x = 0 x=0 also satisfies the equation 5 x = x 2 5x=x^{2} . You should describe why x = 0 x=0 is not a valid solution.

tasmeem reza - 6 years, 4 months ago

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I don't think x = 0 x=0 is a valid solution of the problem, it is only a solution for the equation proposed by Nihar. It is more visible if you rewrite 5 5 5 \sqrt{5\sqrt{5\sqrt{5\cdots}}} as 5 1 / 2 × 5 1 / 4 × 5 1 / 8 × 5^{1/2}\times 5^{1/4}\times 5^{1/8} \times \cdots then you see that it can never be zero.

Marcelo Dias Jr. - 6 years, 1 month ago

Yeah! I never thought of that! Thanks. If you have a complete solution , it would be beneficial for all of us if you post it!

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Sorry for the late reply. Sir Caleb Townsend has already showed a complete solution using calculus. If you don't know calculus, it can also be solved using inequality. (that f ( x ) > 0 f(x) > 0 )

tasmeem reza - 6 years, 4 months ago

Indeed this solution is incomplete. It's easy to jump the gun in math

Caleb Townsend - 6 years, 4 months ago

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If you have a complete solution , I request you to post it.

Nihar Mahajan - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Nihar Mahajan In addendum to your solution, you could note that no matter how many iterations of the square root are taken, the result will not approach 0. 0. Therefore out of the two possible solutions x = 5 x = 5 and x = 0 , x = 0, the only valid solution is x = 5. x = 5.

Caleb Townsend - 6 years, 4 months ago

@Nihar Mahajan I think x > 0 would be sufficient to complete the solution. Although another way to look at it would be to write the nested radical as: 5 1 2 × 5 1 4 × 5 1 8 × . . . = 5 a w h e r e a = 1 2 + 1 4 + 1 8 + . . . 5^{\frac{1}{2}} \times\ 5^{\frac{1}{4}} \times\ 5^{\frac{1}{8}} \times\ ... = 5^{a} \ where \ a = \frac{1}{2} + \frac{1}{4} + \frac{1}{8} +... Now we can think of the infinite sum by cutting a ribbon in half, then cutting one the halves in half again and so on. Of course we only have one ribbon so we produce an answer of 5.

Curtis Clement - 6 years, 3 months ago

Can you say why x can't be 0 ?

Shibaayan Maity - 6 years, 3 months ago

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In this problem, theoretically x can be 0, as the equation resolves finally to x^2 - 5x=0, i.e x(x-5) =0

But coming back to original assumption that x = root 5 continued, we know x has to be value greater than 2, as root 5 will be greater than root 4, ie 2. Hence x= 0 can not be a solution, as it defies the original assumption. Therefore, what remains is x=5, which is the only solution.

Abhishek Singh - 2 months, 2 weeks ago

It should be x^2 -x-5=0 right?

Samuel Samuel - 6 years, 3 months ago

i like your simple calculation

Son'z Cosino - 5 years, 10 months ago

This is the way i did :D

Mahtab Hossain - 6 years, 2 months ago
Fauzi Yul Chaidir
Mar 19, 2015

This is how I got it - like that of Fauzi Yul Chaidir,

Oliver Daniel - 6 years ago
Syauqi Ramadhan
Feb 17, 2015

OK

suppose :

x = 5 5 5 x= \sqrt{5 \sqrt{5 \sqrt{5 \ldots}}}

so that:

x = 5 x x=\sqrt{5x} ,

square the x

x 2 = 5 x x 2 x = 5 x = 5 x^2=5x \rightarrow \frac{x^2}{x}=5 \rightarrow \boxed{x=5}

this cant be done when x=0 is a solution

Guru Prasaadh - 6 years, 3 months ago

Y= 5^1/2 + 5^1/4 + 5^1/8+.... Log y = log 5 ( 1+ 1/2 + 1/4+1/8+....) Logy = log 5 . y = 5.

Matheus Costa
Feb 14, 2015

You can make a geometric progression with the exponents. If you take'em and sum using the formula for the sum of the terms of a convergent gp, the result will be 5 to the 1st power, that is 5

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