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Nice solution !!
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Thanks but the credit should be given to @Satvik Golechha
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What I think is that the more credit goes to you. Because you've learnt it, and after that you posted it. Everyone learns from somewhere. So the thing that really matters is that who learnt !!! Anyways, learning is important than crediting. hahahahaha. Just as a part of fun. :P
Not at all. You posted it here, and the credit goes to you. I first posted this method here and it's really nice to see my solution helping others.
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@Satvik Golechha – Very good. I'm really happy to hear this from you :)
it has 2 intiger solution and 2non integer soln.2integer soln are:2and -1
In order to give the names P and Q, firstly you have to prove that the respective expressions converge to real values.
nice solution
How did Q= P-1?
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@Dhruv Shah have a look
P 2 − Q 2 = P + Q
( P + Q ) ( P − Q ) = P + Q
By this Q = P − 1
brilliant solution
Thank you bro for this nice and easy to understand answer.
Very nice solution! Criativity rocks!
Ok, that's great.
Correct answer is NOT only 2, there could be another possible solution you could have forgotten.
Let x = 3 + 3 − 3 + 3 − …
Then x = 3 + 3 − x . Taking squares in both sides, you'll get x 2 = 3 + 3 − x . Moving 3 to the left side, and taking squares once again ( x 2 − 3 ) 2 = 3 − x and therefore p ( x ) = x 4 − 6 x 2 + x + 6 = 0
Factoring, we have p ( x ) = ( x + 1 ) ( x − 2 ) ( x 2 + x − 3 ) = ( x + 1 ) ( x − 2 ) ( x − 2 1 3 − 1 ) ( x − 2 − 1 3 − 1 )
So, all the possible solutions are, rounding to 2 decimal places, x = − 1 , 2 , 1 . 3 0 , − 2 . 3 0
Discarding negative solutions (x is the result of a square root, so the convention is to choose the positive sign for it), we have x = 2 , BUT x = 1 . 3 0 2 7 7 5 6 3 . . . as well...
Well, to finish, to discard x = 1 . 3 0 2 7 7 5 6 3 . . . , we realize these are solution of a radical equation, so we MUST test the solution in the original expression, BOTH of them.
For x = 2 , it's ok: x = ? 3 + 3 − 2 = 3 + 1 = 3 + 1 = 4 = 2
But, for x = 1 . 3 0 . . . , 3 + 3 − 1 . 3 0 = 3 + 1 . 7 = 3 + 1 . 3 … = 4 … = 2 … = x = 1 . 3 0 . . .
So, at the end, the only solution is x = 2
As soon as you get x^2 = 3 + sqrt(3-x), it's obvious that x=2 is one solution. Alternatively, a recursive C# program can find the limit of this expression -- which is 2 -- by calling sqrt recurse(3,1000), where sqrt recurse looks like below. It is interesting to note that the general form of this expression is y = x^2 – x + 1, where y is 3 in the given expression for this problem. Using the quadratic equation we find that (1 +– sqrt(4y-3))/2. Thus, you can see that when y=3, (1 +– sqrt(4y-3))/2 = (1+sqrt(4*3 - 3))/2 = (1+3)/2 = 2. static double sqrt recurse(double x, int nrec) { nrec--; if (nrec > 0) { double y = sqrt recurse(x, nrec); if (nrec % 2 != 0) y = Math.Sqrt(x + y); else y = Math.Sqrt(x - y); return y; } else return Math.Sqrt(x); }
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x=2 is obviously ONE solution, but... are there any more? A program can get one "fixed point", but nonetheless it doesn't assure the (non)existence of other different solutions.
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Note that the value is
3 + k
and k > 0 because sqrt gives us positive value hence the value would be greater than 3
And you have squared 2 times that means instead of a unique value you would get 3 extra root.
muy bueno!
brilliant solution....
Can someone explain the algebra leading from p(x) = x^4 - 6x^2 + x + 6 to (x + 1)(x - 2)(x^2 + x - 3)? It's easy to try the possible rational solutions and stumble across -1 and 2, making everything easier. I'm just curious to know if there are different ways that don't involve finding the zeroes of the function...it seems like too much of a brute force approach.
x = 3 + 3 − x ⟹ ( x 2 − 3 ) 2 = 3 − x Put x = 2
Game Over!
But x=(√13-1)/2 is another positive solution of equation,so you must eliminate him...
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The "solutions" are +/- 2 and +/-3. "x=(√13-1)/2 " isn't a solution...
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Why not? Because it is not a whole number? You can't simply write "x=(√13-1)/2 isn't a solution..." without any more reason.
x=2 is ONE solution. Are there any more solutions? Game NOT over!
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I believed that readers will understand why x = 2 is the only solution!, Just like in many problems we end up having a quadratic and it's two roots, but the choice of solution is the real decision we have to make!
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No decision we have to make in any way... We have to find all possible solutions, and discard inappropiate ones with a reason for that. No choice, only proof. From your answer you cannot say that x=2 is the only solution. So, once again, the game was far from being over.
My feeling exactly--my brain has gone to mush reading these solutions!
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Let 3 + 3 − 3 + 3 − . . . = P
and 3 − 3 + 3 − 3 + . . . = Q
So 3 + Q = P . . . . . . . . . . ( 1 )
3 − P = Q . . . . . . . . . . . ( 2 )
Square both sides Subtract ep. (2) from eq(1) to get
P 2 − Q 2 = P + Q
Q = P − 1
Substitute the value of Q in eq. (1) to get
P 2 − P − 2 = 0
( P − 2 ) ( P + 1 ) = 0
So P = 2
This solution is completely inspired from @Satvik Golechha .