If 4 + 4 − 4 + 4 − ⋯ = c a + b such that the fraction in the RHS cannot be simplified any further and b is square free and a , b , c are all integers, what is the value of a + b + c ?
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Great solution ... I also solved it the same way.
By the way, I noticed that the solution,
x = 2 1 + 1 3 is also the solution to: x = 3 + 3 + 3 + . . . . .
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Thanks... BTW How did you notice that? Did you try all of them?
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I was trying the to solve the problem by converting the given nested square roots into the simpler form, r + r + r + . . . since its value is 2 1 + 1 + 4 r .
I then found r by equating the solution, 2 1 + 1 3 and 2 1 + 1 + 4 r getting r=3.
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@Michael Fischer – Oh man thanks for that formula. :) :)
brilliant!!!!!!!!!
brilliance dedicated to you sir
Thanks for solving u are awesome! ....:)
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Thanks. (this is not the first time I am writing this because 'thanks' is too small!)
i salute u
FANTASTIC IDEA! KEEP IT UP.
One of the most beautiful solutions I've seen here!
thanks for the solution , you're genius
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Not me, but @Krishna Ar is a genius.
Did the same way
fabulous but i got a question how come u said by observation?? how a non mathematician can realize??
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Observation is nothing mathematical. It can only be achieved by observing...
nice one , this is seems to be correct and right direction
i solved the same way ,and result which we found is awesome x = y + 1 mathematics is awesome love it !
Truly a brilliant solution.
Equation 2, mention in the eighth line is 4 + y = x . .
You need to check that the solution converges to the correct value by approximating
but if we write eqn 1 as x2-y2=4 and eqn 2 as x2+y2=4 then we will get x=_+2 and y=0 why is that ?
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Observe closely... Equation 1 gives x 2 − y = 4 , and not x 2 − y 2 = 4 ..
@Agnishom Chattopadhyay Like this?
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Awesome! hats off to you!
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Thanks! Was it the same method which you wanted?
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@Satvik Golechha – I did not know what I wanted. I knew the solution because I solved the quartic in Mathematica. Thanks for throwing light upon an elegant approach.
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@Agnishom Chattopadhyay – Oh! BTW In which class are you? Have you given RMO? Any tips?
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@Satvik Golechha – I am in Class XI-CBSE-Science. I had given RMO but it was too hard for me. Chances are that you'll do better :)
Let x = 4 + 4 − 4 + 4 − . . . . Square both sides and substract 4 :
x 2 − 4 = 4 − 4 + 4 − 4 + . . .
Square and substract 4 again:
( x 2 − 4 ) 2 − 4 = − 4 + 4 − 4 + 4 − . . .
We need x > 2 because the square roots of positive numbers only can be positive.
Note that the RHS is just − x , so:
x 4 − 8 x 2 + 1 6 − 4 = − x ⇒ x 4 − 8 x 2 + x + 1 2 = 0
Now, that equation factors as: ( x 2 + x − 4 ) ( x 2 − x − 3 ) = 0
By solving each factor with the quadratic formula, we get four solutions:
x 1 , 2 = 2 − 1 ± 1 7
x 3 , 4 = 2 1 ± 1 3
From these, the one that we want is x = 2 1 + 1 3 , because is greater than 2 . So, we have a = 1 , b = 1 3 , c = 2 and a + b + c = 1 6 .
How do you factor that equation?
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First I tried to factor that by trial and error and I got it right, but there is another method.
We'll try to factor x 4 − 8 x 2 + x + 1 2 = 0 into the form ( x 2 + P x + Q ) ( x 2 − P x + R ) = 0 . Expand it and make it match with our equation:
Q + R − P 2 = − 8 ⇒ Q + R = P 2 − 8
P ( R − Q ) = 1 ⇒ R − Q = P 1
Q R = 1 2
Sbstract and sum the first equation and the second one to solve for Q and R respectively, and substitute them in the third one. We get:
Q = 2 P 2 − 8 − P 1
R = 2 P 2 − 8 + P 1
Substitute and simplify:
( 2 P 2 − 8 − P 1 ) ( 2 P 2 − 8 + P 1 ) = 1 2
P 6 − 1 6 P 4 + 1 6 P 2 − 1 = 0
In that last equation the sum of all coefficients is 0 , so it factors as:
( P 2 − 1 ) ( P 4 − 1 5 P 2 + 1 ) = 0
So, P = 1 . Obtain that Q = − 4 and R = − 3 . Hence, x 4 − 8 x 2 + x + 1 2 = ( x 2 + x − 4 ) ( x 2 − x − 3 ) .
With this, we note that there are three ways to factorice that polynomial, but in this case, only one with rational coefficients.
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I'm sorry but I didn't understand how, if the sum of all coefficients is 0, you can factor it as ( P 2 − 1 ) ( P 4 − 1 5 P 2 + 1 ) = 0
Against the requirement but I think never mind.
u 3 − 1 6 u 2 + 1 6 u − 1 = 0 is actually the deterministic equation behind.
With simplest 1 despite 6.69656263406253E-02 and 1.49330343736593E+01,
( x 2 - u x + 2 u − 8 + 2 u 1 ) ( x 2 + u x + 2 u − 8 - 2 u 1 )
( x 2 − x − 2 7 + 2 1 ) ( x 2 + x − 2 7 − 2 1 )
( x 2 − x − 3 ) ( x 2 + x − 4 ) is arrived.
Formation of two quadratics is not sole but the 4 roots shall always be the same. In this situation, we can choose the simplest u1. Otherwise:
u2 = 6.69656263406253E-02
p2 = -0.2587771750766
q2 = -2.03435296155752
r2 =0.2587771750766
s2 = -5.89868141210186
α = 1.56155281280811
β = -1.30277563773151
γ = 2.30277563773248
δ = -2.56155281280908
OR
u3 = 1.49330343736593E+01
p3 = -3.86432845054083
q3 = 3.59590577436807
r3 = 3.86432845054083
s3 = 3.33712859929123
α = 2.30277563773198
β = 1.56155281280885
γ = -1.30277563773201
δ = -2.56155281280882
Please ignore computing errors for slight different answers.
@Agnishom Chattopadhyay I have the most elegant solution, going to post it..
bro ,,can u tell me ..how did u factorise x^4+........= (....)(...)
I did it this way. Excelent.
Thanks superb solution......
Did the same, nice solution
I did the same...
I have seen something similar before. But a very straight forward way to do this is we say x =sqrt (4+Sqrt(4-x)) square both sides and subtract to get x^2-4=sqrt(4-x). Now we let this be a quadratic in 4. For completely psychological reasons we will let y=4, and proceed to square both sides and collect all terms as a quadrartic in y. What we get is the following y^2-(2x^2 +1)y+x^4+x=0. The fact that the answer is in the given form is a clue that it is factorable into two quadratics since it doesnt have any cubed or fourth roots. No we need two roots that add to 2x^2+1 and multiply to x^4+x. So we go about this by factoring x^4+x as x(x^3+1)=x(x+1)(x^2-x+1)=(x^2+x)(x^2-x+1). These work. So in fact for any y this thing will factor as (y-(x^2+x))(y-(x^2-x+1) at which point you plug in four and proceed with quadratic formula.
thanks brillant!
Let 4 + 4 − 4 + 4 − . . . = S
So 4 + 4 − S = S
Then \displaystyle 0={ S }^{ 4 }-8{S}^{4}+S+12
So 0 = ( S 2 − S − 3 ) ( S 2 + S + 4 )
Now \displaystyle (S-\frac { 1 }{ 2 } )^{ 2 }-\frac { 13 }{ 4 } ={ S }^{ 2 }-S-3
Finally S = 2 1 + 4 1 3 = 2 1 + 1 3 .
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Let 4 + 4 − 4 + 4 − . . . . . = x .
Also, let 4 − 4 + 4 − 4 + . . . . . = y .
Then we see by observation that:-
4 + y = x
4 − x = y
Now whole square both equations and subtract to get:-
x 2 − y 2 = x + y , which, in turn, means x − y = 1 . Put y = x − 1 in square of equation 2 , to get the final equation- x 2 − x − 3 = 0
Apply Sridharacharya's Rule (the quadratic formula) to get x = 2 1 + 1 3 . Note that x can't be the other root 2 1 − 1 3 because x is positive.
Finally, Comparing it with c a + b , we get a = 1 , b = 1 3 , and c = 2 , so-
a + b + c = 1 6