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Algebra Level 5

Let P \displaystyle P and Q \displaystyle Q be two quadratic polynomials, such that P ( z ) = 3 z 2 + 4 z + 3 \displaystyle P(z)=3z^2+4z+3 and Q ( z ) = 3 z 2 + 6 z + 15 \displaystyle Q(z)=3z^2+6z+15 .

Furthermore, the product of P ( x ) \displaystyle P(x) and Q ( y ) \displaystyle Q(y) for some x , y R \displaystyle x,y \in \mathbb{R} is 20 \displaystyle 20 . Find their sum, ie, P ( x ) + Q ( y ) \displaystyle P(x)+Q(y) .

It can be expressed as a b \displaystyle \dfrac{a}{b} for coprime positive integers a \displaystyle a and b \displaystyle b . Find a + b \displaystyle a+b .


The answer is 44.

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3 solutions

Ayush Verma
Jan 23, 2015

P ( x ) = 3 ( x + 2 3 ) 2 + 5 3 P ( x ) 5 3 & Q ( y ) = 3 ( y + 1 ) 2 + 12 Q ( y ) 12 P ( x ) . Q ( y ) 5 3 . 12 P ( x ) . Q ( y ) 20 , s o P ( x ) . Q ( y ) = 20 o n l y i f x = 2 3 , y = 1 P ( 2 3 ) + Q ( 1 ) = 5 3 + 12 = 41 3 a + b = 41 + 3 = 44 P\left( x \right) =3{ \left( x+\cfrac { 2 }{ 3 } \right) }^{ 2 }+\cfrac { 5 }{ 3 } \\ \\ \Rightarrow P\left( x \right) \ge \cfrac { 5 }{ 3 } \\ \\ \& \quad Q\left( y \right) =3{ \left( y+1 \right) }^{ 2 }+12\\ \\ \Rightarrow Q\left( y \right) \ge 12\\ \\ \therefore \quad P\left( x \right) .Q\left( y \right) \ge \cfrac { 5 }{ 3 } .12\\ \\ \Rightarrow P\left( x \right) .Q\left( y \right) \ge 20,so\\ \\ P\left( x \right) .Q\left( y \right) =20\quad \quad only\quad if\quad x=\cfrac { -2 }{ 3 } ,y=-1\\ \\ \Rightarrow P\left( \cfrac { -2 }{ 3 } \right) +Q\left( -1 \right) =\cfrac { 5 }{ 3 } +12=\cfrac { 41 }{ 3 } \\ \\ \Rightarrow a+b=41+3=44

Beautiful! very nice problem

U Z - 6 years, 4 months ago

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Thanks! :D

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

@Satvik Golechha Can you rephrase the question? "Find their sum" confused me at once, their sum= P ( x ) + Q ( y ) P(x)+Q(y) or ( x + y ) (x+y)

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 4 months ago

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It seems alright to me. Since in the earlier part of the sentence I made reference to P ( x ) P(x) and Q ( y ) Q(y) (their product), it seems evident from English that the sum being asked is of P ( x P(x and Q ( x ) Q(x) , and not that of x x and y y ; further, it sounded to me, better that a lame "Find P ( x ) + Q ( y ) P(x)+Q(y) ."

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

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OK.but everyone's english is not that good,So make the question as clear as possible

Ayush Verma - 6 years, 4 months ago

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@Ayush Verma Yeah, I'll do that. Thanks.

Satvik Golechha - 6 years, 4 months ago

It was like " x , y R x,y\in R Find their sum." Let it be! Its better now! ☺

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 4 months ago
Parth Kohli
Jan 24, 2015

A possibly more mechanical solution is letting k k be a certain number such that:

3 x 2 + 4 x + 3 = k 3x^2 + 4x + 3 = k

3 y 2 + 6 y + 15 = 20 k 3y^2 + 6y + 15 = \frac{20}{k}

You want the first and the second equations to have real roots, so you use the discriminant of both ( 0 \ge 0 ) and find that the only possible value of k k is 5 3 \frac{5}{3} . Thus,

3 x 2 + 4 x + 3 = 5 3 3x^2 + 4x + 3 = \frac{5}{3}

3 y 2 + 6 y + 15 = 12 3y^2 + 6y + 15 = 12

Examining both equations, we see that P ( x ) = 5 3 P(x) = \frac{5}{3} and Q ( y ) = 12 Q(y) = 12 . Their sum is 41 3 \frac{41}{3} so the answer is 41 + 3 = 44 41 + 3 = \boxed{44} .

Exactly how I solved this guy! Thanks.

tom engelsman - 1 year, 4 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Jan 24, 2015

[3 (x + 2/ 3)^2 + 5/ 3][3 (y + 1)^2 + 12] = 20

Only occurs with x = - 2/ 3 and y = -1 while both are at minimum for (5/ 3)(12) = 20, therefore 5/ 3 + 12 = 41/ 3.

41 + 3 = 44

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