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Algebra Level 3

Compute the following without the use of a calculator:

20 + 14 2 3 + 20 14 2 3 \large \sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20+14\sqrt { 2 } } +\sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20-14\sqrt { 2 } }


The answer is 4.

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12 solutions

Michael Mendrin
Aug 19, 2014

Let x = a + b x=a+b , where

a = 20 + 14 2 3 a=\sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20+14\sqrt { 2 } }
b = 20 14 2 3 b=\sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20-14\sqrt { 2 } }

Then x 3 = a 3 + 3 a b x + b 3 = 40 + 6 x { x }^{ 3 }={ a }^{ 3 }+3abx+{ b }^{ 3 }=40+6x

and so solving the cubic for x x immediately gets us x = 4 x=4

x=∛(20+14√2)+ ∛(20-14√2)

Let a = 20+14√2 & b = 20-14√2

a+b = 20+14√2+ 20-14√2 =40

ab=(20+14√2)( 20+14√2)=400-392=8

Now x³=(∛a+∛b)³

x³=a+b+3∛(ab) (∛a+∛b)

x³=40+3∛8x (Replacing Value of a+b=40 & ab=8

x³=40+3*2.x

x³=40+6x

x³-6x-40=0

(x-4)( x^2+4x+10)=0 (After factorization)

Either x-4=0 or x2+4x+10=0

From x-4=0, x=4 (No real value of x satisfies the expression x^2+4x+10=0)

Ans. 4

Altaf Ahmed - 6 years, 7 months ago

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How to solve other such Cubic Roots? I mean how to factorize such Cubic Roots? State formula please...

x³-6x-40=0

(x-4)( x^2+4x+10)=0 (After factorization)

Souvik Ghosh - 5 years, 7 months ago

how did you factor x^3=40+6x?

Mark Anthony Minas - 6 years, 9 months ago

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hit and trial method.....

Mowrish Dev - 6 years, 8 months ago

Pleas .. can you explain more about the last step ?

Nano Noor - 6 years, 9 months ago

how did you solve x^3-6x=40

Aameer shaikh - 6 years, 9 months ago

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x 4 x-4 is a factor, and that's all we need.

Michael Mendrin - 6 years, 9 months ago

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Hey michael, without hit and trial, how to find the factor of a cubic polynomial?

Vighnesh Raut - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Vighnesh Raut There is a method to calculate root of the basic form of the cubic polynomial, see Cardano 's method in wiki. In addition, x^3 - 6x - 40 = 0 is the basic form of cubic polynomial.

Hoai-Thu Vuong - 5 years, 6 months ago

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@Hoai-Thu Vuong Actually Cardano's Method yields the original problem.

Damien Ashwood - 5 years, 2 months ago

yea the same way here

Saikarthik Bathula - 6 years, 9 months ago

can you please explain how you got ab=2

Sibes Patnaik - 6 years, 9 months ago

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20 + 14 2 3 20 14 2 3 = \sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20+14\sqrt { 2 } } \sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20-14\sqrt { 2 } }=

20 2 ( 14 2 ) 2 3 = \sqrt [ 3 ]{ { 20 }^{ 2 }-{ \left( 14\sqrt { 2 } \right) }^{ 2 } } =

400 392 3 = 8 3 = 2 \sqrt [ 3 ]{ 400-392 } =\sqrt [ 3 ]{ 8 } =2

Michael Mendrin - 6 years, 9 months ago

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youre good...thanks..

Darry Junsay - 6 years, 7 months ago

see that 3abx = 6x, so ab = 2

Deddy Wirata - 6 years, 9 months ago

If x = a + b x=a+b , then isn't x 3 = a 3 + 3 a 2 b + 3 a b 2 + b 3 x^{3}=a^{3}+3a^{2}b+3ab^{2}+b^{3} ? How did you get x 3 = a 3 + 3 a b x + b 3 x^{3}=a^{3}+3abx+b^{3} ?

Thomas James Bautista - 6 years, 9 months ago

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3a2b + 3ab2 = 3ab(a+b) = 3abx

Thamil Thedal - 6 years, 9 months ago

thank you #michael #thamil

devesh golwalkar - 6 years, 9 months ago

i think the answer should be 2

Ni Khil Sh Arma - 6 years, 8 months ago

Awsm.. Question and beautiful answer

Sparsh Teotia - 5 years, 2 months ago

I honestly just used approximations to estimate the answer and got it right.

Benry Burfer - 5 years ago

lna+lnb=ln2,so ab=2

伟 王 - 4 years, 11 months ago

How to solve other such Cubic Roots? I mean how to factorize such Cubic Roots? State formula please...

x³-6x-40=0

(x-4)( x^2+4x+10)=0 (After factorization)

Souvik Ghosh - 5 years, 7 months ago
Jubayer Nirjhor
Aug 20, 2014

Write 20 + 14 2 = 2 3 + ( 2 ) 3 + 3 2 2 ( 2 + 2 ) = ( 2 + 2 ) 3 20+14\sqrt2=2^3 + \left(\sqrt2\right)^3+3\cdot 2\cdot\sqrt2\left(2+\sqrt 2\right)= \left(2+\sqrt 2\right)^3 . Similarly, 20 14 2 = ( 2 2 ) 3 20-14\sqrt 2=\left(2-\sqrt 2\right)^3 . Plug in, cancel roots and get 4 4 .

how we know that 20+14 sqrt 2 equal 2^3+..+ ?!

Nano Noor - 6 years, 9 months ago

Yes, I have followed the same method..

Bhavik Shakrani - 6 years, 9 months ago

this is quite easy method.....I solved by assuming whole expression as x & then taking cube of values on both sides....

Jahnavi Gautam - 6 years, 8 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Oct 12, 2014

I was assuming that 20 ± 14 2 = ( a ± b 2 ) 3 20\pm 14\sqrt{2} = (a \pm b\sqrt{2})^3 , where a a and b b are positive integers.

Expanding the ( a + b 2 ) 3 = a 3 + 3 a 2 b 2 + 6 a b 2 + 2 b 3 2 (a + b\sqrt{2})^3 = a^3 +3a^2b\sqrt{2} + 6ab^2 + 2b^3\sqrt{2}

a 3 + 6 a b 2 = 20 \Rightarrow a^3+6ab^2 = 20\quad and 3 a 2 b + 2 b 3 = 14 \quad 3a^2b + 2b^3 = 14 .

We note that b 1 b = 1 b \ngtr 1 \Rightarrow b = 1 and a = 2 a = 2 .

Therefore,

20 + 14 2 3 + 20 14 2 3 = ( 2 + 2 ) 3 3 + ( 2 2 ) 3 3 \sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20+14\sqrt{2} } + \sqrt [ 3 ]{ 20-14\sqrt{2} } = \sqrt [ 3 ]{ (2+\sqrt{2})^3 } + \sqrt [ 3 ]{(2-\sqrt{2})^3 }

= 2 + 2 + 2 2 = 4 = 2 + \sqrt{2} + 2 - \sqrt{2} = \boxed{4}

i did the same way with you

凯耀 郑 - 5 years, 8 months ago

\sqrt {20 + 14 \cdot \sqrt{2}}

Gunjan Sheth - 4 years, 8 months ago

Let a = 20 + 14 2 3 a=\sqrt [3]{20+14\sqrt{2}} b = 20 14 2 3 b=\sqrt [3]{20-14\sqrt{2}} and let x = ( a + b ) x=(a+b) also, observe that a 3 + b 3 = 40 a^{3}+b^{3}=40 and a b = 2 ab=2 then, a 3 + b 3 = ( a + b ) ( a 2 a b + b 2 ) a^{3}+b^{3}=(a+b)(a^{2}-ab+b^{2}) ( a + b ) = a 3 + b 3 a 2 a b + b 2 (a+b)=\frac{a^{3}+b^{3}}{a^{2}-ab+b^{2}} x = 40 a 2 ( 2 ) + b 2 x=\frac{40}{a^{2}-(2)+b^{2}} x = 40 a 2 + b 2 2 x=\frac{40}{a^{2}+b^{2}-2} x = 40 ( a + b ) 2 2 a b 2 x=\frac{40}{(a+b)^{2}-2ab-2} x = 40 ( x ) 2 4 2 x=\frac{40}{(x)^{2}-4-2} x = 40 x 2 6 x=\frac{40}{x^{2}-6} x ( x 2 6 ) = 40 x(x^{2}-6)=40 x 3 6 x 40 = 0 x^{3}-6x-40=0 Solving x, we get x = 4 x=4

Antonio Fanari
Oct 11, 2014

Suppose m + n p 3 = a + b ; \sqrt [3] {m+n\sqrt {p}}=a+\sqrt b;

( a + b ) 3 = ( a 3 + 3 a b ) + ( 3 a 2 + b ) b (a+\sqrt b)^3=(a^3+3ab)+(3a^2+b){\sqrt b}

m = a 3 + 3 a b ; n p = ( 3 a 2 + b ) p ; m=a^3+3ab;\,n\sqrt p =(3a^2+b)\sqrt p ;\,

if n p 3 \frac {n-p} 3\, is a perfect square, we can impose:

b = p , n = 3 a 2 + b = 3 a 2 + p a = n p 3 b=p,\,n =3a^2+b=3a^2+p\,\Rightarrow\,a=\sqrt \frac {n-p} 3\, thus:

m = a 3 + 3 a b , m + n p 3 = a + b , m=a^3+3ab,\,\Rightarrow\,\sqrt [3] {m+n\sqrt {p}}=a+\sqrt b,\,

hence:

p = b = 2 , n = 14 ; a = n p 3 = 14 2 3 = 2 p=b=2,\,n=14;\,a=\sqrt \frac {n-p} 3 =\sqrt \frac {14-2} 3 =2

20 + 14 2 3 = 2 + 2 , \sqrt [3] {20+14\sqrt {2}} = 2+\sqrt 2,\,

20 14 2 3 = 2 2 , \sqrt [3] {20-14\sqrt {2}} = 2-\sqrt 2,\,

20 + 14 2 3 + 20 14 2 3 = 2 + 2 + 2 2 = 4 \sqrt [3] {20+14\sqrt {2}} + \sqrt [3] {20-14\sqrt {2}} = 2+\sqrt 2 + 2-\sqrt 2 = \boxed 4

Let answer = x let 20 = a , 14√2 =b logx = 1/3log(a+b) (a-b) logx=1/3log (a^2-b^2) logx = 1/3log (400-2x14x14) logx=1/3log(400-392) logx=1/3log8 logx=1/3log2^3 logx=log2 x=2 Can you figure out my mistake?

Chanaka Navarathna - 6 years, 8 months ago

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log x=log(a+b) instead of log x=log a+ log b.

Ankur Bhatnagar - 6 years, 6 months ago
Hari Krishnan K P
Oct 25, 2014

Let x = (20+14√2)^(1/3) + (20−14√2)^(1/3).

x³ = (20+14√2) + (20−14√2) + (3 (20+14√2)^(1/3) *(20−14√2)^(1/3) ((20+14√2)^(1/3) + (20−14√2)^(1/3))).

x³ = 40+3 ((20^2-(14√2)^2))^1/3) x).

x³ = 40+3 (400-392)^1/3) x).

x³ = 40+(3 ((8)^1/3) x) OR x³ = 40+6x.

Thus, x³ - 6x - 40 =0. x = 4 is a factor. Hence, It can be factorised into,

(x-4)(x^2+4x+10) = 0.

(x^2+4x+10) = 0 has only imaginary roots. Thus x = 4 is the answer.

Sigmund Dela Cruz
Oct 11, 2014

in this case let x be the unknown (sum of the 2 expressions) let a be cube root of [20 + 14(sqrt of 2)] and let b be cube root of [20 - 14(sqrt of 2)] x = a + b

cube the both sides and we get x^3 = (a + b)^3

binomial expansion and so on....

x^3 = a^3 + 3a^2b + 3ab^2 + b^3

a = cube root of [20 + 14(sqrt of 2)] , b = cube root of [20 - 14(sqrt of 2)]

substitute to the given expression

then so on till we get into x = 4

therefore the answer is 4 as shown in the solution. (so long)

Ashok Solanki
Oct 30, 2014

Let x = (20+14√2)^(1/3) + (20−14√2)^(1/3).

x³ = (20+14√2) + (20−14√2) + (3 (20+14√2)^(1/3) *(20−14√2)^(1/3) ((20+14√2)^(1/3) + (20−14√2)^(1/3))).

x³ = 40+3 ((20^2-(14√2)^2))^1/3) x).

x³ = 40+3 (400-392)^1/3) x).

x³ = 40+(3 ((8)^1/3) x) OR x³ = 40+6x.

Thus, x³ - 6x - 40 =0. x = 4 is a factor. Hence, It can be factorised into,

(x-4)(x^2+4x+10) = 0.

(x^2+4x+10) = 0 has only imaginary roots. Thus x = 4 is the answer.

Arun Kumar
Oct 30, 2014

sqrt2 = 1.4 and 14 *1.4 is same as (14)^2 /10 which is 19.6. Now we get (39.6)^1/3 +(0.4)^1/3. Now we know 3^3 is 27 and 4^3 is 64 so cube root of 40 should be close to 3.5 and cube root of .4 will be so small. Now adding these two the closest integer is 4 :-) . Just mental math. But can be solved using algebra which takes bit more time.

( 2 ) 1.4142135623730951....... ( a n i r r a t i o n a l v a l u e w i t h n o e n d ) \sqrt(2) \neq 1.4142135623730951....... (an irrational value with no end) : 1.4 is an approximation at best.

I understand that you were using an approximation technique but be careful when you make statements such as ( 2 ) = 1.4 \sqrt(2) = 1.4

Tony Flury - 5 years, 8 months ago
S P
Sep 1, 2014

You do not need to factor the entire thing...

Chahak Goyal
Oct 13, 2014

by hit and trial

a= 2 ; b= 2^(0.5)

so by (a+b)^3 ,

[a^3] +[ b^3] +[ 3a^2b]+[ 3ab^2]

=[ (2)^3] + [(2^0.5)^3] +[3 (2^2) (2^0.5)]+ [3 (2) (2^0.5)^2]

=[2+2^0.5]^3

=[20+14(2^0.5)]^3

so , if we put it in original equation, we get, [(2+2^0.5)^3]^1/3 + [(2-2^0.5)^3]^1/3 = 2+2^0.5+2-2^0.5 = 2+2 =4.

Renah Bernat
Oct 11, 2014

let a=20 , b=14sqrt(2) , (a+b)^(1/3) +(a-b)^(1/3)=X so we have : (X)^(3) = a+b +a-b +[3(a²-b²)^(1/3)]X / a²-b²=8 x^3 = 2a +6X x^3 -6X-40=0 (x-4)(x²+4x+10)=0 X=4

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