Not 1803 Sangaku Problem

Geometry Level 5

A green circle of radius 5 5 , a yellow circle, and a blue square are inscribed without overlap inside a circle of radius 20 20 .

The diameter of the largest circle and of the yellow circle are colinear with the bottom side of the blue square. The upper vertices of the blue square lies on the circumferences of the green circle and the largest circle. The green circle is not tangent to any side of the blue square. All the circles are tangent to each other.

Find the area of the blue square.


The answer is 144.

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4 solutions

David Vreken
Mar 10, 2020

Let y y be the radius of the yellow circle and b b be the side of the square, and label the diagram (not drawn to scale) as follows:

Then O B = 20 OB = 20 as the radius of the big circle, A B = b AB = b as the side of the square, and O A = V D + D A V O = 2 y + b 20 OA = VD + DA - VO = 2y + b - 20 . By the Pythagorean Theorem on O A B \triangle OAB , ( 2 y + b 20 ) 2 + b 2 = 400 (2y + b - 20)^2 + b^2 = 400 , which rearranges to b = y 2 + 20 y + 100 y + 10 b = \sqrt{-y^2 + 20y + 100} - y + 10 .

Also, P Q = P R + R Q = y + 5 PQ = PR + RQ = y + 5 , O Q = O U Q U = 20 5 = 15 OQ = OU - QU = 20 - 5 = 15 , and P O = V O V P = 20 y PO = VO - VP = 20 - y . By the law of cosines on Q P O \triangle QPO , cos Q P O = ( 20 y ) 2 + ( y + 5 ) 2 1 5 2 ( 20 y ) ( y + 5 ) \cos \angle QPO = \frac{(20 - y)^2 + (y + 5)^2 - 15^2}{(20 - y)(y + 5)} . Letting k = P T k = PT and h = Q T h = QT , on Q P T \triangle QPT , cos Q P O = k y + 5 \cos \angle QPO = \frac{k}{y + 5} and k 2 + h 2 = ( y + 5 ) 2 k^2 + h^2 = (y + 5)^2 . These three equations simplify to k = y 2 15 y + 100 20 y k = \frac{y^2 - 15y + 100}{20 - y} and h = 20 y 2 + 15 y 20 y h = \frac{20\sqrt{-y^2 + 15y}}{20 - y} .

Also, Q C = 5 QC = 5 as the radius of the green circle, Q S = Q T S T = h b QS = QT - ST = h - b , and S C = T D = P D P T = y k SC = TD = PD - PT = y - k . By the Pythagorean Theorem on Q S C \triangle QSC , ( y k ) 2 + ( h b ) 2 = 25 (y - k)^2 + (h - b)^2 = 25 , which after substituting the above values, ( y y 2 15 y + 100 20 y ) 2 + ( 20 y 2 + 15 y 20 y ( y 2 + 20 y + 100 y + 10 ) ) 2 = 25 (y - \frac{y^2 - 15y + 100}{20 - y})^2 + (\frac{20\sqrt{-y^2 + 15y}}{20 - y} - (\sqrt{-y^2 + 20y + 100} - y + 10))^2 = 25 .

If p = y 2 + 15 y p = \sqrt{-y^2 + 15y} and q = y 2 + 20 y + 100 q = \sqrt{-y^2 + 20y + 100} , the above equation becomes ( y y 2 15 y + 100 20 y ) 2 + ( 20 p 20 y ( q y + 10 ) ) 2 = 25 (y - \frac{y^2 - 15y + 100}{20 - y})^2 + (\frac{20p}{20 - y} - (q - y + 10))^2 = 25 . Solving this for q q and simplifying gives q = 20 p ± 2 p ( y 10 ) y 20 + y 10 q = \frac{-20p \pm 2p(y-10)}{y - 20} + y - 10 , which means either q = 2 p + y 10 q = 2p + y - 10 or q = 2 p y y 20 + y 10 q = \frac{-2py}{y - 20} + y - 10 . If q = 2 p + y 10 q = 2p + y - 10 , then q 2 = 4 p 2 + ( 4 y 40 ) p + y 2 20 y + 100 q^2 = 4p^2 + (4y - 40)p + y^2 - 20y + 100 , or y 2 + 20 y + 100 = 4 ( y 2 + 15 y ) + ( 4 y 40 ) p + y 2 20 y + 100 -y^2 + 20y + 100 = 4(-y^2 + 15y) + (4y - 40)p + y^2 - 20y + 100 . Solving this for p p and simplifying gives p = 1 2 y p = \frac{1}{2}y , which means p 2 = 1 4 y 2 p^2 = \frac{1}{4}y^2 , or y 2 + 15 y = 1 4 y 2 -y^2 + 15y = \frac{1}{4}y^2 , which simplifies to y ( y 12 ) = 0 y(y - 12) = 0 , so that y = 12 y = 12 for y > 0 y > 0 . If q = 2 p y y 20 + y 10 q = \frac{-2py}{y - 20} + y - 10 , the same steps above will lead to y 14.857 y \approx 14.857 , which would make the green circle overlap the square. Therefore, y = 12 y = 12 .

If y = 12 y = 12 , then b = y 2 + 20 y + 100 y + 10 = 1 2 2 + 20 12 + 100 12 + 10 = 12 b = \sqrt{-y^2 + 20y + 100} - y + 10 = \sqrt{-12^2 + 20 \cdot 12 + 100} - 12 + 10 = 12 , and the area of the square is b 2 = 1 2 2 = 144 b^2 = 12^2 = \boxed{144} .

nice approach sir!

nibedan mukherjee - 1 year, 3 months ago

Terrific solution, Vreken. You've gone over what I call the "hiccups" of this problem, i.e., it undergoes transistions as the yellow circle change in y y . The original 1803 sangaku was considerably smoother.

Michael Mendrin - 1 year, 2 months ago

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Thank you! I was hoping to find a simpler solution but could not.

David Vreken - 1 year, 2 months ago

This diagram really captures the general case, particularly the fact that QO is not necessarily perpendicular to the diameter of the large semicircle (which would make the solution much easier). Thank you for your effort and insight, @David Vreken .

G Silb - 1 year, 2 months ago

Keeping the spirit of 1803 Sangaku problem, the right problem should be to prove that line joining centers of two circles ( 5 and 20 cm radii ) is perpendicular to horizontal diameter of the 20 cm circle. Remaining problem of area of square is very simple one. However, in brilliant format, it is just not possible to address the question.

Vinod Kumar - 1 year, 2 months ago

You've missed y=10, b=h=5*2^(3/2), so the green circle would be tangent to the vertical side of the square.

Iliya Hristov - 6 months ago

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The question states that "the green circle is not tangent to any side of the blue square".

David Vreken - 6 months ago

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It states that they do not overlap, but you've considered that case. In fact there are 4 cases not counting symmetric and zero cases: 1 solution + 1 tangent+2 overlapping. Here are 3 of them:

Iliya Hristov - 6 months ago

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@Iliya Hristov The equation y 2 + 20 y + 100 = 4 ( y 2 + 15 y ) + ( 4 y 40 ) p + y 2 20 y + 100 -y^2 + 20y + 100 = 4(-y^2 + 15y) + (4y - 40)p + y^2 - 20y + 100 in my solution also has a solution of y = 10 y = 10 , but I did not write this out as since this is the tangent case case and can be rejected by the parameters of the question.

David Vreken - 6 months ago

The only way i found to solve to problem is to assume that A (the center of the green circle) is on the perpendiculare bisector of the diameter of the biggest circle.
Then we use the pythagorean theorem to calculate AI, since we know that AJ=15 and JI=20 and we find that AI=25:

  • Next, AJ is parallel do EC, then the triangles AJI and EIC are similar
  • We denote FG as R and EC as c
  • we write : A J E C \frac{AJ}{EC} = I J I C \frac{IJ}{IC} <=> 15 c \frac{15}{c} = 20 40 2 R \frac{20}{40-2R}
  • This gives us this equation : R= 60 2 c 3 \frac{60-2c}{3}
  • The product of chords in a circle gives us this second equation : c²=(2R+c)(40-2R-c)
  • We use substitution de solve the system and find c=12 -The area of the square is c²=12²=144

This is one of those cases where a good or lucky hunch leads to a reasonably straightforward solution.

Michael Mendrin - 1 year, 3 months ago

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Professor Mendrin, i tried to use cosine law and other stuff but the algebra was getting extreme...is there a way? Thank you.

Valentin Duringer - 1 year, 3 months ago

It certainly looks like the segment between center of the green circle and the large circle is perpendicular to the diameter on which the base of the square lies. But I wasn't able to prove that.

I solved it by saying that the length of an edge of the square, plus the radius of the small circle, plus the radius of the small circle times the sine of the angle to the corner of the square all had to add up to the radius of the large circle.

G Silb - 1 year, 3 months ago

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To G Silb,
If you can give your solution, Thanks .

To Valentin Duringer,
Please clear, AG=R+5.

Niranjan Khanderia - 1 year, 2 months ago


Please add,
Cos(m)=(60-3R)(60-5R)>1 invalid, O R = 0 , m = \color{#D61F06}{ OR =0, m=} 90 degrees.
A ( ( 0 , 15 ) , E ( 4 , 12 ) , S o A E = ( 0 4 ) 2 + ( 12 15 ) 2 = 5 = r a d i u s o f g r e e n c i r c l e , O K . \color{#D61F06}{A((0,15), ~~ E(4,12), ~~~~ So~ AE=\sqrt{(0-4)^2+(12-15)^2}=~5 ~=~ radius ~of ~green ~circle, ~ OK.}

Niranjan Khanderia - 1 year, 2 months ago

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Beautifully done, @Niranjan Khanderia ! Many thanks!

G Silb - 1 year, 2 months ago

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Thank you. Happy you liked it.

Niranjan Khanderia - 1 year, 1 month ago

Solving the cosine rule gets me the inverse of what you have there, could somebody show me why I'm wrong? I'm sure I am but I've been trying for a while and I can't see it

Lexi Goff - 1 year, 2 months ago

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Without seeing your work, it is not possible to know what is not correct.

Niranjan Khanderia - 1 year, 2 months ago

You’re right.

AI^2=15^2+20^2 => AI=25 => EI=AI-5=20 => c/15=20/25 => c=12

Iliya Hristov - 5 months, 3 weeks ago

There is one more assumption without a proof, that the points A, E and I lie on a straight line.

Iliya Hristov - 4 months, 4 weeks ago
Iliya Hristov
Dec 18, 2020

Vinod Kumar
Apr 3, 2020

I solved it by drawing it on graph paper on iPad using ipencil with all the conditions of the problem.

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