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Mr Mister has 2 children. One of these children is a boy who was born on a Tuesday. What is the probability that the other child is a boy?

If this probability can be written as a b \dfrac {a}{b} , where a a and b b are coprime positive integers, find a + b a+b .

Assume that the probability of having a boy is half (if it is not a boy, it is a girl) and the probability of being born on Tuesday is 1 7 \dfrac{1}{7} irrespective of gender.


Knowing which day one of the children was born is important.


The answer is 40.

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4 solutions

Sharky Kesa
Mar 13, 2016

We know from Bayes' Theorem that the probability that there are 2 boys, given one is born on Tuesday is

P ( B B B T ) = P ( B T B B ) P ( B B ) P ( B T ) P(BB|B_T) = \dfrac{P(B_T|BB)P(BB)}{P(B_T)}

We will find a general solution to this first. Let's assume that the probability of a boy being born on a Tuesday is ϵ \epsilon (we will substitute ϵ = 1 7 \epsilon = \frac{1}{7} later).

Thus, P ( B T B B ) P(B_T|BB) is the probability of at least one boy being born on a Tuesday, given that the family has two boys, which is equivalent to 1 ( 1 ϵ ) 2 1-(1-\epsilon)^2 (one minus the probability that neither boys are born on Tuesday).

P ( B B ) P(BB) (probability of two boys) is just 1 4 \frac{1}{4} .

P ( B T ) P(B_T) (probability of a boy being born on a Tuesday) is trickier, since we have to consider the 4 sample cases: G G GG (two girls), G B GB and B G BG (a girl and a boy), and B B BB (two boys). If it is P ( B T ( G G ) ) P(B_T(GG)) , its value is 0, since there are no boys. If it's P ( B T ( G B ) ) P(B_T(GB)) or P ( B T ( B G ) ) P(B_T(BG)) , its value is ϵ \epsilon since there is only one boy, whose chance of being born on Tuesday would be ϵ \epsilon . If it is P ( B T ( B B ) ) P(B_T(BB)) its value is (from PIE) ϵ + ϵ ϵ 2 \epsilon+\epsilon-\epsilon^2 since either one boy could be born on Tuesday, or the other, minus when both.

Thus, we have the equation as

P ( B B B T ) = ( 1 ( 1 ϵ ) 2 ) ( 1 4 ) 1 4 ( 0 + ϵ + ϵ + ( ϵ + ϵ ϵ 2 ) ) = 1 ( 1 ϵ ) 2 4 ϵ ϵ 2 \begin{aligned} P(BB|B_T) &= \dfrac {(1-(1-\epsilon)^2)(\frac{1}{4})}{\frac{1}{4}(0+\epsilon+\epsilon+(\epsilon+\epsilon-\epsilon^2))}\\ &= \dfrac{1-(1-\epsilon)^2}{4\epsilon-\epsilon^2} \end{aligned}

Substituting ϵ = 1 7 \epsilon = \frac{1}{7} , we get

P ( B B B T ) = 13 49 27 49 = 13 27 \begin{aligned} P(BB|B_T) &= \dfrac {\frac{13}{49}}{\frac{27}{49}}\\ &= \dfrac {13}{27} \end{aligned}

Therefore, the probability of 2 boys is 13 27 \frac{13}{27} , so the answer is 13 + 27 = 40 13+27=40 .

Moderator note:

Good detailed analysis of this conditional probability problem. It's counter-intuitive initially, but that's because we're usually not great at synthesizing such information.

The question asked is what is the probability that the other child is a boy. That is simply 1/2. The question doesn't ask if he was born on a Tuesday, and makes no reference to the initial child at all. So a/b = 1/2 thus a+b = 3 no?

Liam O Sullivan - 5 years, 3 months ago

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The fact that you know that one of them is a boy changes the probabilities!

For instance, if we just look at boys and girls, the possibilities are B B BB , B G BG , G B GB , and G G GG with equal probability.

But if we know that (at least) one of the kids is a boy, we rule out G G GG . In that case, the probability that the other kid is a boy is only 1 : 3 1:3 : it is the likelihood of B B BB out of { B B , B G , G B } \{BB, BG, GB\} .

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 3 months ago

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I agree completely with this analysis - and, therefore, the probability is 1 3 \dfrac{1}{3} . The correct answer for a + b = 4 a + b = \boxed{4} !! The bit about Tuesday is irrelevant because we were not asked for the "probability of a 2 boy family where one boy was born on Tuesday". We were asked for "the probability the other child was a boy". In the question as stated, the gender of the other child has nothing to do with what day of the week his sibling was born on. I feel this is a problem of shortcomings of the English language (does 'one' mean 'exactly one' or 'at least one'), imprecise and ambiguous statement of the question and "solvers" reading between the lines and assuming the Tuesday fact was somehow relevant and needed to be included. I think this question needs some serious clarifications or restatement.

Bob Kadylo - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Bob Kadylo If the family consists of a boy and a girl, the probability than one of them is "a boy born on Tuesday" is 1:7.

If the family consists of two boys, the probability than one of them is "a boy born on Tuesday" is 13:49, which is almost twice as much.

Because these odds are not equal, knowledge about whether or not one of them is a boy born on Tuesday is relevant.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 3 months ago

But you are treating BG and GB as separate outcomes. The age or order in which you list them is irrelevant.

I am not a statistician, but I think the fact that the first boy is mentioned makes no difference. It's like saying "What is the probability of getting a heads on a coin flip? We flipped it once before and it was heads." It's still 50:50.

Liam O Sullivan - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Liam O Sullivan No, your analogy is false. It is like flipping a coin twice, and saying that at least once you flipped heads. The probability that the other coin is also heads is then 1:3. Try it!

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Arjen Vreugdenhil But in your BG GB and BB statement, you are treating it as three separate cases. If you assume that flipping a coin twice produces at least one heads, then the other coin is either a heads or a tails. It doesn't matter which coin is which so the discernment between GB and BG is irrelevant

Liam O Sullivan - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Liam O Sullivan The difference is irrelevant, but the mixed outcome is twice as likely as each of the homogeneous ones. The solution then becomes

P ( 2 boys one is a boy ) = P ( B B ) P ( B B ) + P ( mixed ) = 1 / 4 1 / 4 + 2 / 4 = 1 3 . P(\text{2 boys}|\text{one is a boy}) = \frac{P(BB)}{P(BB) + P(\text{mixed})} = \frac{1/4}{1/4+2/4} = \frac13.

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 3 months ago

Why did u put that 1/7

vats nathwani - 5 years, 3 months ago

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The probability of a boy being born on Tuesday is 1/7.

Sharky Kesa - 5 years, 3 months ago

Why does it matter if the first child was born on a Tuesday? Haha how does that have anything to do with the second child's gender?

Victor Blancard - 5 years, 3 months ago

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It does not specify "first" or "second" child. That's the rub...

Arjen Vreugdenhil - 5 years, 3 months ago

Nice problem.I believe that question framed like this:"What is the probability that a family has two boys given that one of the child is a boy who was born on a Tuesday?"would be more clear.

Indraneel Mukhopadhyaya - 5 years, 3 months ago

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That would be not only more a curate but the only correct way to phrase it because as is he is using the law of averages which is false

TJ Cofer - 5 years, 3 months ago

This question uses the law of averages you can't do that

TJ Cofer - 5 years, 3 months ago
Suhail Sherif
Mar 13, 2016

One could also solve this by counting:

There are 14 equally likely cases in which the first child is a boy born on a Tuesday (In 7 of these, the other kid is a boy).

There are 14 equally likely cases in which the second child is a boy born on a Tuesday. (Again, in 7 of these the other kid is a boy).

But we have counted one case twice (In which both kids are boys born on Tuesdays). So we have a total of 14+14-1 = 27 equally likely cases in which one kid is a boy born on a Tuesday. And in 7+7-1 = 13 of these, the other kid is a boy. Hence the answer is 13/27.

Brilliant!

Pulkit Gupta - 5 years, 3 months ago
Arjen Vreugdenhil
Mar 16, 2016

The 14 × 14 = 196 14\times 14 = 196 possible situations shown in the table are equally likely.

The shaded region corresponds with the knowledge that one of the children is a boy born on Tuesday. This leaves 27 possible situations.

The orange region corresponds with the situation that the other child is also a boy. It covers 13 possible situations.

Thus the conditional probability is 13 / 27 13/27 , given the answer 40 \boxed{40} .

@Arjen Vreugdenhil Please if you could get me on this , I will be very grateful to you.

Why are you considering these as two different cases , like GB and BG??

And even such cases a boy born on monday , a boy born on tuesday and another a boy born on tuesday and a boy born on monday??

I worked it out like this , we are given that a boy born on tuesday is there and hence the sample space would be like a boy born on tuesday + a boy born on any day , a boy born on tuesday + a girl born on any day , which leads to a probability of 7 14 = 1 2 \frac{7}{14} = \frac{1}{2} . Where am I wrong?

Ankit Kumar Jain - 4 years, 2 months ago
Soumava Pal
Mar 13, 2016

I had read about The Tuesday Birthday Problem Before , so I remembered the answer.

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