N's the Limit

Calculus Level 2

Find positive integer n n such that:

lim x 3 x n 3 n x 3 = 108 \lim_{x \to 3} \dfrac{x^{n} - 3^{n}}{x-3} = 108

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Krishna Karthik
Sep 24, 2020

Here's some background info for my solution: Lambert w w function

In this problem, you can simply use inspection to guess the value of n n . Here is a more rigorous and generalised approach:

I just used l'Hôpital's rule; d d x ( x n 3 n ) = 108 \displaystyle \frac{d}{dx} (x^n - 3^n) = 108

Evaluating results in:

n ( 3 n 1 ) = 108 \displaystyle n(3^{n-1}) = 108

I am giving a more general way of solving the equation above:

Leaving the expression in Lambert form:

n e ln ( 3 ) ( n 1 ) = 108 \displaystyle ne^{\ln \left(3\right)\left(n-1\right)}=108

Using the substitutions:

u = n ln ( 3 ) \displaystyle u = n\ln \left(3\right)

n = u ln ( 3 ) \displaystyle n=\frac{u}{\ln \left(3\right)}

Simplifying yields e u ln ( 3 ) u ln ( 3 ) = 108 \displaystyle \frac{e^{u-\ln \left(3\right)}u}{\ln \left(3\right)}=108

Which in Lambert form is:

e u u = 324 ln ( 3 ) \displaystyle e^uu=324\ln \left(3\right)

So u = 4 ln ( 3 ) \displaystyle u=4\ln \left(3\right) .

Substituting back gives n = 4 \boxed{n = 4}

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@Percy Jackson Yeah; of course. I've been playing for 5 years. Currently at grade 8 piano level in Australia.

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@A Former Brilliant Member @Percy Jackson Can you play the full piece or just the A section?

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@Krishna Karthik Full, I learnt it from youtube videos though lol

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@A Former Brilliant Member Full speed? Btw I hope you keep good hand posture. That's pretty good for learning from youtube videos.

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@Krishna Karthik Not the exact full speed, I'm kinda slow, but yeah hand posture, and everything is correct.

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Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 25, 2020

Given that

lim x 3 x n 3 n x 3 = 108 A 0/0 case, L’H o ˆ pital’s rule applies lim x 3 n x n 1 1 = 108 Differentiate up and down w.r.t. x n 3 n 1 = 108 n = 4 \begin{aligned} \lim_{x \to 3} \frac {x^n - 3^n}{x-3} & = 108 & \small \blue{\text{A 0/0 case, L'Hôpital's rule applies}} \\ \lim_{x \to 3} \frac {nx^{n-1}}1 & = 108 & \small \blue{\text{Differentiate up and down w.r.t. }x} \\ n3^{n-1} & = 108 \\ \implies n & = \boxed 4 \end{aligned}


Reference: L'Hôpital's rule

Evaluating the LHS, we get :

lim x 3 x n 3 n x 3 = n × 3 n 1 n × 3 n 1 = 108 n × 3 n 1 = 4 × 27 n = 4 \begin{aligned} \lim_{x \to 3} \dfrac{x^{n} - 3^{n}}{x-3} &= n \times 3^{n-1} \\ n \times 3^{n-1} &= 108 \\ n \times 3^{n-1} &= 4 \times 27 \\ &\boxed{n = 4} \end{aligned}

( 4 × 3 4 1 = 4 × 3 3 = 4 × 27 = 108 ) (4 \times 3^{4-1} = 4 \times 3^{3} = 4 \times 27 = 108)

UPVOTED(+3).Thanks for posting it btw please check your notifications

SRIJAN Singh - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

@Percy Jackson Solved. A simple case of l'Hôpital does the trick.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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Cool (some text)

A Former Brilliant Member - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

@Percy Jackson I managed to post a slightly different solution; I used a more general approach to solving the equation. Btw nice use of 4 × 27 = 108 4 \times 27 = 108 :)

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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Nice bro. Looks like there's no 'limit' to the number of different solutions this problem has. lol that was a joke my Math teacher cracked once, it was followed by an awkward silence, and she never made a joke again.

A Former Brilliant Member - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Percy Jackson Wait you do limits in grade 10 in school maths?

Krishna Karthik - 8 months, 2 weeks ago

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@Krishna Karthik Ya, that's the thing, I'm in grade 11. I gave a wrong birth date on Brilliant so I'm 15 here till new year lol

A Former Brilliant Member - 8 months, 2 weeks ago
Chris Lewis
Sep 25, 2020

The form of the limit is exactly the derivative of x n x^n at the point x = 3 x=3 - that is n 3 n 1 = 108 n\cdot 3^{n-1}=108

Since we know we're after an integer, we can solve by inspection and find n = 4 n=\boxed4 .

Ah, good old inspection :)

Krishna Karthik - 7 months, 1 week ago

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