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Geometry Level 5

There are three concentric circles with center O O and radii 3 , 5 , 7 3,5,7 units.

Points A , B , C A,B,C are on these circles, one on each circle.

Find the smallest integer greater than maximum possible area of A B C \triangle ABC .


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The answer is 32.

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4 solutions

Deepanshu Gupta
Mar 10, 2015

Good Problem!, the key is If we fix any one vertex keeping other two vertex as variable then maximum area won't affect . Since It is independent of reference frame. So Let us Fixed Vertex A ( 3 , 0 ) A(3,0) and also let parametric Points as B ( 5 cos α , 5 sin α ) & C ( 7 cos β , 7 sin β ) B(5\cos { \alpha } ,5\sin { \alpha } )\& C(7\cos { \beta } ,7\sin { \beta } ) .

So area of Triangle ABC in determinant form is given by: Δ = 1 2 5 cos α 5 sin α 1 7 cos β 7 sin β 1 3 0 1 \Delta =\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } \begin{vmatrix} 5\cos { \alpha } & 5\sin { \alpha } & 1 \\ 7\cos { \beta } & 7\sin { \beta } & 1 \\ 3 & 0 & 1 \end{vmatrix} Using Operation: C 1 C 1 3 C 3 { C }_{ 1 }\rightarrow { C }_{ 1 }-3{ C }_{ 3 } and then expanding about 3rd row we get :

Δ = 1 2 35 cos α sin β 35 sin α cos β 21 sin β + 15 sin α \displaystyle{\Delta =\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } \left| 35\cos { \alpha } \sin { \beta } -35\sin { \alpha \cos { \beta } } -21\sin { \beta } +15\sin { \alpha } \right| }

Now Remind , Maximum value of a sin x + b cos x a\sin { x } +b\cos { x } is nothing but a 2 + b 2 \sqrt { { a }^{ 2 }+{ b }^{ 2 } } So let's rearrange above expression of area in this form:

Δ = 1 2 ( 35 cos α 21 ) sin β ( 35 sin α ) cos β + 15 sin α Δ m = 1 2 ( 35 cos α 21 ) 2 + ( 35 sin α ) 2 + 15 sin α Δ m = 1 2 7 34 30 cos α + 15 sin α \displaystyle{\Delta =\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } \left| (35\cos { \alpha } -21)\sin { \beta } -(35\sin { \alpha )\cos { \beta } +15\sin { \alpha } } \right| \\ { \Delta }_{ m }=\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } \left| \sqrt { { (35\cos { \alpha } -21) }^{ 2 }+{ (35\sin { \alpha } ) }^{ 2 } } +15\sin { \alpha } \right| \\ { \Delta }_{ m }=\cfrac { 1 }{ 2 } \left| 7\sqrt { 34-30\cos { \alpha } } +15\sin { \alpha } \right| }

Now simple differentiating it and equate to zero d ( Δ m ) d α = 0 \cfrac { d({ \Delta }_{ m }) }{ d\alpha } =0 , we find It's Maximum value as:

Δ m a x = 31.314 Δ m a x = 32 { \Delta }_{ max }=31.314\quad \\ \left\lceil { \Delta }_{ max } \right\rceil =32

Nice Method ! Thanks , for Posting Solution . I'am not able to solve it.

Karan Shekhawat - 6 years, 3 months ago

Thank you very much Deepanshu bro! I was actually unable to find exact maximum area, but I made this question using GeoGebra. Actually the question came to my mind while solving problems of Complex Numbers, and yeah, your solution is same as the one using Complex Numbers...

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 3 months ago

Is it possible to use homothety?

Allen Wang - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Sorry , I hear it first time , can you please explain what you mean ?

Deepanshu Gupta - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Homothety is quite a useful tool, I've been using it in many olympiad problems, but I really don't see how homothety can give the area in this problem...

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 3 months ago

Very nyc solution to an excellent problem :)

Ayush Garg - 6 years, 3 months ago

How to solve the cubic equation after setting the derivative equal to zero?

Saurabh Chaturvedi - 5 years, 5 months ago
Ujjwal Rane
Mar 27, 2015

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Suppose we have two of the points (B & C) of the optimum triangle. The third point A lies on a circle. If we were to move A keeping the area ABC constant, A must move along a line parallel to BC (Shown dotted). Moving to right of the dotted line gives more area, on the left we get less. Since area is maximized, the path of A must wholly lie on the left of the dotted line.

So the dotted line must be a tangent to the path of A - the circle, since the radius OA is perpendicular to it, it must be so to the base BC as well! Hence line AOm must be perpendicular to the base BC - an altitude.

For the same reason, Bn, Cp must also be altitudes that meet at O. Hence O is the Orthocenter of triangle ABC.

Taking OA as the x axis and Om = x; equate slope of CO to negative reciprocal of slope AB gives -

9 x 2 25 x 2 = x ( 7 x ) \sqrt{9-x^2}\sqrt{25-x^2} = -x(7-x)

Solved this numerically to get x = 1.47 and the area 31.31

Could you check your equation? I think the correct RHS is x ( 7 x ) \color{#D61F06}{-x}(7-x) or x ( 7 + x ) x\color{#D61F06}{(7+x)}

Cleres Cupertino - 5 years, 10 months ago

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Thanks for letting me know @Cleres Cupertino ! I have corrected it now.

Ujjwal Rane - 5 years, 9 months ago

Very nice solution

gopal narayanan - 5 years, 6 months ago

As it is normal with you an elegant simple solution.

Niranjan Khanderia - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Thank you Sir!

Ujjwal Rane - 3 years, 6 months ago
Mehul Kumar
Mar 14, 2015

the question proposed is incomplete!! add the point that one can use a calc to find the roots of a cubic polynomial. well a pure geometric solution-> show that triangle ABC will be such that 0 (centre) is the orthocentre of ABC.

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Do you know how to prove that the center must be contained within the circle and be the orthocenter of ABC, in order for the area to be maximized? It's based on a very simple observation.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 2 months ago

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So, what's that observation?

Saurabh Chaturvedi - 5 years, 5 months ago

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See Ujjwal Rane's solution.

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Anupam Nayak Okay I'll do that, but that doesn't answer my question!

Saurabh Chaturvedi - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Saurabh Chaturvedi He explains why with the observation.

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 5 months ago
Laurent Shorts
Apr 11, 2016

After pages and pages of calculations, I found that if the radii have values r 1 r_1 , r 2 r_2 and r 3 r_3 , and if we name s = r 1 2 + r 2 2 + r 3 2 s=r_1^2+r_2^2+r_3^2 and p = r 1 r 2 r 3 p=r_1r_2r_3 , then the square of the circumradius x = R 2 x=R^2 is a solution of 16 x 3 8 s x 2 + s 2 x p = 0 16x^3-8sx^2+s^2x-p=0 .

More over, as c i 2 + r i 2 = 4 R 2 c_i^2+r_i^2=4R^2 for each side c i c_i opposite of point lying on circle with radius r i r_i and as area = c 1 c 2 c 3 4 R =\frac{c_1c_2c_3}{4R} , we have A = 3 12 ( 12 x s ) 2 + 2 s 2 6 ( r 1 4 + r 2 4 + r 3 4 ) A=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{12}\sqrt{(12x-s)^2+2s^2-6(r_1^4+r_2^4+r_3^4)} .

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