Paraboloid Surface Dynamics

A massive particle is confined to a paraboloid surface:

x = r cos θ y = r sin θ z = r 2 x = r \cos \theta \\ y = r \sin \theta \\ z = r^2

At time t = 0 t = 0 , the position and velocity are ( θ \theta is in radians):

r = 1 θ = 0 r ˙ = 1 θ ˙ = 10 r = 1 \\ \theta = 0 \\ \dot{r} = 1 \\ \dot{\theta } = 10

What is the z z coordinate of the particle at t = 28 t = 28 ?

Note: The ambient gravitational acceleration is 10 10 in the negative z z direction
Bonus: Plot the trajectory out to t = 100 t = 100


The answer is 3.18.

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2 solutions

Mark Hennings
May 19, 2020

Parametrizing the position of the particle with z z and θ \theta , the kinetic energy of the particle is T = 1 2 m ( 1 + 1 4 z ) z ˙ 2 + 1 2 m z θ ˙ 2 T \; =\; \tfrac12m\left(1 + \tfrac{1}{4z}\right)\dot{z}^2 + \tfrac12mz\dot{\theta}^2 and the potential energy is V = m g z = 10 m z V \; = \; mgz \; =\; 10mz so the Lagrangian is L = 1 2 m ( 1 + 1 4 z ) z ˙ 2 + 1 2 m z θ ˙ 2 10 m z \mathcal{L} \; = \; \tfrac12m\left(1 + \tfrac{1}{4z}\right)\dot{z}^2 + \tfrac12mz\dot{\theta}^2 - 10mz Since L \mathcal{L} is independent of θ \theta , we deduce that L θ ˙ \frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{\theta}} is constant, and hence that z θ ˙ = 10 z\dot{\theta} \; = \; 10 This is conservation of angular momentum. The other equation of motion is d d t ( L z ˙ ) = L z d d t [ ( 1 + 1 4 z ) z ˙ ] = 1 8 z 2 z ˙ 2 + 1 2 θ ˙ 2 10 ( 1 + 1 4 z ) z ¨ 1 8 z 2 z ˙ 2 = 50 z 2 10 d d z [ 1 2 ( 1 + 1 4 z ) z ˙ 2 ] = 50 z 2 10 \begin{aligned} \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{z}}\right) & = \; \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial z} \\ \frac{d}{dt}\left[\left(1 + \tfrac{1}{4z}\right)\dot{z}\right] & = \; -\tfrac{1}{8z^2}\dot{z}^2 + \tfrac12\dot{\theta}^2 - 10 \\ \left(1 + \tfrac{1}{4z}\right)\ddot{z} - \tfrac{1}{8z^2}\dot{z}^2 & = \; \tfrac{50}{z^2} - 10 \\ \frac{d}{dz}\left[\tfrac12\left(1 + \tfrac{1}{4z}\right)\dot{z}^2\right] & = \; \tfrac{50}{z^2} - 10 \end{aligned} and hence ( 1 + 4 z ) z ˙ 2 = 500 z 400 80 z 2 = 80 ( z α ) ( β z ) (1 + 4z)\dot{z}^2 \; = \; 500z - 400 - 80z^2 \; = \; 80(z - \alpha)(\beta - z) where α = 1 8 ( 25 305 ) β = 1 8 ( 25 + 305 ) \alpha \; = \; \tfrac18(25 -\sqrt{305}) \hspace{1cm} \beta \; = \; \tfrac{1}{8}(25 + \sqrt{305}) From this it is clear that the particle's height oscillates between α \alpha and β \beta , with half-period T = α β 1 + 4 z 80 ( z α ) ( β z ) d z T \; = \; \int_\alpha^\beta \sqrt{\frac{1 + 4z}{80(z-\alpha)(\beta-z)}}\,dz The substitution z = α cos 2 ϕ + β sin 2 ϕ z = \alpha\cos^2\phi + \beta\sin^2\phi is helpful here, giving T = 1 2 10 0 1 2 π 27 305 cos 2 ϕ d ϕ T \; =\; \frac{1}{2\sqrt{10}}\int_0^{\frac12\pi} \sqrt{27 - \sqrt{305}\cos2\phi}\,d\phi This can be evaluated explicitly in terms of complete elliptic integrals, but we shall simply note that T = 1.25268 T = 1.25268 .

It is also worth noting that, during each half-period, the particle moves through an angle Θ \Theta , where Θ = α β 10 z z ˙ d z = 1 2 5 α β 1 + 4 z ( z α ) ( β z ) d z z = 4 10 0 1 2 π 27 305 cos 2 ϕ 25 305 cos 2 ϕ d ϕ = 4.77483 \Theta \; =\; \int_\alpha^\beta \frac{10}{z \dot{z}}\,dz \; = \; \tfrac12\sqrt{5}\int_\alpha^\beta \sqrt{\frac{1 + 4z}{(z-\alpha)(\beta-z)}}\,\frac{dz}{z} \; = \; 4\sqrt{10}\int_0^{\frac12\pi} \frac{\sqrt{27 - \sqrt{305}\cos2\phi}}{25 - \sqrt{305}\cos2\phi}\,d\phi \;=\; 4.77483


To begin with, the particle needs to rise from its initial height of z = 1 z=1 to z = β z=\beta . This takes time T 0 = 1 β 1 + 4 z 80 ( z α ) ( β z ) d z = 1 2 10 u 1 2 π 27 305 cos 2 ϕ d ϕ T_0 \; = \; \int_1^\beta \sqrt{\frac{1 + 4z}{80(z-\alpha)(\beta-z)}}\,dz \; = \; \frac{1}{2\sqrt{10}}\int_u^{\frac12\pi} \sqrt{27 - \sqrt{305}\cos2\phi}\,d\phi where u = sin 1 1 α β α u = \sin^{-1}\sqrt{\frac{1-\alpha}{\beta-\alpha}} , and hence T 0 = 1.19581 T_0 = 1.19581 .

At time t = T 0 + 21 T = 27.5022 t = T_0 + 21T = 27.5022 , the particle has completed a total of 10 1 2 10\tfrac12 full oscillations, and so at that time is at a height z = α z=\alpha . We need to find the height (during the next half-oscillation) that it has reached by time t = 28 t=28 . In other words, we need to find the height z z such that α z 1 + 4 z 80 ( z α ) ( β z ) d z = 1 2 10 0 v 27 305 cos 2 ϕ d ϕ = 0.49781 \int_\alpha^z \sqrt{\frac{1 + 4z}{80(z-\alpha)(\beta-z)}}\,dz \; =\; \frac{1}{2\sqrt{10}}\int_0^v \sqrt{27 - \sqrt{305}\cos2\phi}\,d\phi \; = \; 0.49781 where v = sin 1 z α β α v = \sin^{-1}\sqrt{\frac{z-\alpha}{\beta-\alpha}} , and we deduce that the height at time t = 28 t=28 is 3.1770 \boxed{3.1770} .

@Mark Hennings Very nice analytical solution. I just upvoted.

Karan Chatrath
May 17, 2020

Solution based on the Lagrangian approach. This solution does not take a deep dive into the salient features of this dynamical system, even though there are several insights to explore. Let the mass of the particle be unity. The kinetic energy of the system is:

T = 1 2 m ( x ˙ 2 + y ˙ 2 + z ˙ 2 ) \mathcal{T} = \frac{1}{2} m \left(\dot{x}^2 + \dot{y}^2 +\dot{z}^2 \right) T = 2 r ˙ 2 r 2 + r ˙ 2 2 + θ ˙ 2 r 2 2 \implies \mathcal{T} = 2\dot{r}^2 r^2 + \frac{\dot{r}^2}{2} + \frac{\dot{\theta}^2r^2}{2}

Potential energy:

V = m g z = 10 r 2 \mathcal{V} = mgz =10r^2

System Lagrangian: L = T V \mathcal{L} = \mathcal{T}-\mathcal{V}

Lagrange's equations read:

d d t ( L r ˙ ) L r = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{r}}\right) - \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial r}=0 d d t ( L θ ˙ ) L θ = 0 \frac{d}{dt}\left(\frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \dot{\theta}}\right) - \frac{\partial \mathcal{L}}{\partial \theta}=0

Finding the equations and numerically solving yields the required answer. The trajectory of the particle up to t = 100 t=100 :

@Karan Chatrath sir can you please help me in this question, lim x 6000 ( s i n x ) 6000 x 2 ( s i n x ) 6000 \frac{x^{6000}-(sinx)^{6000}}{x^{2}(sinx) ^{6000}}
x tends to 0

Thanks in advance.
Solve without using expansion

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I do not know how to do it without an expansion. Please show your attempt.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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I guess you could say that the result is the limit as x 0 x \to 0 of 1 ( sin x x ) 6000 x 2 \frac{1 - \left(\frac{\sin x}{x}\right)^{6000}}{x^2} and attempt to use de l'Hopital's rule, but the result would be very messy indeed.

Mark Hennings - 1 year ago

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@Mark Hennings I thought about this approach as well but I rejected it thinking as follows:

Normally, de l'Hopital's rule applies to indeterminate forms: 0 0 \frac{0}{0} or \frac{\infty}{\infty} . In this case, the expression that you wrote can be stated in words as the difference between a constant and an indeterminate form, divided by zero. Is this strictly speaking one of the two aforementioned forms? Can l'Hopital's rule be applied to such a case? I do not think so, but I am not sure, and so I ask.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath f ( x ) = 1 ( sin x x ) 6000 f(x) = 1 - \left(\tfrac{\sin x}{x}\right)^{6000} is a perfectly nice differentiable function on R \mathbb{R} , with f ( 0 ) = f ( 0 ) = 0 f(0) = f'(0) = 0 and f ( 0 ) = 2000 f''(0) = 2000 . Of course, we are using de l'Hopital's rule a number of times to determine these results. Once we have these, we use de l'Hopital's rule again to get the answer...

Mark Hennings - 1 year ago

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@Mark Hennings @Mark Hennings Exactly sir. Sir while differentiating again and again are you following a particular trend.?? So that by following that trend we can differentiate it 6000 times? I think?

@Mark Hennings Thank you for the clarification

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath Sir did you get the correct answer without using expansion??

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@A Former Brilliant Member I shouldn't think so. It is so much easier to know that sin x = x 1 6 x 3 + \sin x = x - \tfrac16x^3 + \cdots . That is all we need to get the answer.

Mark Hennings - 1 year ago

Sir are you an engineer as well?

Krishna Karthik - 1 year ago

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Yes, I studied mechanical engineering.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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Which university, if I may be so bold?

Krishna Karthik - 1 year ago

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@Krishna Karthik Thanks for asking, but I prefer to withhold those details. I will display my qualifications on my profile if I change my mind someday.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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@Karan Chatrath Fair enough. Your problems and solutions are quite interesting. I'd like to see some more classical mechanics problems!

Krishna Karthik - 1 year ago

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@Krishna Karthik Thanks! My frequency of posting problems is lower than posting solutions. Nevertheless, I will try to come up with a few interesting ones in the coming days.

Karan Chatrath - 1 year ago

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