In △ A B C , A B = 6 , B C = 4 and A C = 8 . A segment parallel to B C and tangent to the incircle of △ A B C intersects A B at M and A C at N .
If M N = b a , where a and b are co-prime positive integers, what is the value of a + b ?
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Well let me say how i did the problem. It is not difficult to observe that the incircle of △ A B C is the excircle of △ A N M opposite to vertex A . Let the incircle touch B C at P , A C at Q and A B at R . Thus the perimiter of △ A N M = 2 × A R = 2 × A Q . We have A Q = s − a = 9 − 4 = 5 .
Therefore, perimiter of △ A N M = 1 0 . Now △ A N M ∼ △ A B C and so we have
B C N M = p e r i m e t e r o f △ A B C p e r i m e t e r o f △ A N M = 1 8 1 0 = 9 5 . Thus M N = 9 5 × 4 = 9 2 0
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I found the radius using r = 2 1 ( a + b + c ) ( a + b − c ) ( b + c − a ) ( c + a − b ) , multiplied that by two, then used pythagorean theorem to set up two equations x 2 + y 2 = 3 6 , ( 4 − x ) 2 + y 2 = 6 4 to find y , found y 2 r to find the ratio of similitude equal to 9 5 and then multiplied that by B C to get 9 2 0
Well, thanks for the solution. I used the formula of tangential quadrilateral ie. MN+BC=NC+MB, but I couldn't reach the answer.
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Peter, I myself posted the problem thinking that a solution with tangential quadrilateral wud appear, but surprisingly it dint. ever mind, u can use tangential quadrilaterals but after that ul need similarity of triangles.
guys can u tell it was nt given than N n M are mid pts....how did u get that???
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It is nt given that M & N are midpoints....in solution too it is not taken to be the midpts...The 2 triangles AMN & ABC are similar & the question is solved using similarity...
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Excellent and easy
Can you tell me some resources to learn advanced geometry? I mean the theorems and their applications, etc. @maharnab mitra
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did in the same way...
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i did it the same way but instead of solving for a , b , c i used Law of Cotangents to directly find their length, the rest is all same.
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Can you tell me what resources to learn advanced geometry? I see you are solving lot of advanced ( level 3/4 problems) . SO, I just wanted to know.
It's not hard to see that △ A B C and △ A M N are similar.
Let's call the height of △ A B C , h and its inradius r . That means the height of △ A M N is h − 2 r .
Now we can write,
h h − 2 r = B C M N
Now we're going to make some substitutions.
Notice that h = B C 2 [ A B C ] = 4 2 [ A B C ] and r = the semiperimeter of △ A B C [ A B C ] = 9 [ A B C ] . [ [ A B C ] denotes the area of △ A B C .]
So, h h − 2 r = B C M N
⇒ 1 − h 2 r = 4 M N
⇒ 1 − 4 2 [ A B C ] 9 2 [ A B C ] = 4 M N
[I hope this line is not confusing. I basically did all the substitution at once.]
The [ A B C ] 's cancel out and we're left with an equation with one unknown M N . After a little bit of rearranging, we get
M N = 9 2 0 .
So, a + b is 2 0 + 9 = 2 9 .
That's very nice! :)
I instead used the formula for inradius and calculated the angles MNC and NMB. Then I used the property that line joining the center and point of intersection of tangents bisects the angle between the tangents. By basic trigonometry, I got the right answer but well, that was much more complicated than your method. Thanks for sharing! :)
very nicely done!
Beautifully done! Excellent Solution..
Good Solution.. :D
Did the same.
Note that clearly △ A M N ∼ △ A C B .
By Heron's formula, the area of triangle ABC is 3 1 5 . As the area of a triangle equals the inradius multiplied by the semiperimeter, the radius of the incircle is 3 1 5 .
Note that the altitude from A to BC is 2 3 1 5 . As the diameter that is perpendicular to MN and BC is parallel to this altitude, we may arrive at the conclusion that the altitude from A to MN is 2 3 1 5 − 3 2 1 5 = 6 5 1 5 .
We can set up a proportion as follows: let the length of MN be x . Then the ratio of the length of x and the length of B C is equal to the altitudes from A of triangle A B C and A M N , or, mathematically
2 3 1 5 6 5 1 5 = 4 x
The computation is left to the reader, which produces a final answer of x = 9 2 0 , which means that the desired sum is 2 9 .
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MN+BC=NC+MB; AN+MN+AM+2BC=AB+AC+BC; P(AMN)=18-8=10; But the perimeter of AMN is propotional to ABC.Let the constant be x. then P(ABC)*x=10; x= 9 5 ; MN=xBC= 9 2 0 ; thus a+b=29.
r = V((s-a)(s-b)(s-c)/s) = 1/3V15. Area triangle = Vs(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 3V15, therefore height from A = 3/2V15 height incircle : height from A = 2/3V15 : 3/2V15 = 4 : 9 . Therefore MN: CB = 5 : 9. So MN = 20/9. Answer = 29
By Heron's formula, we get the area to be $3\sqrt{15}$. We divide this by $9$ to get the inradius of $\frac{\sqrt{15}}{3}$ We double this to get the height of the top of the circle off the ground. By multiplying the area by 2 and dividing by 4 we get the height of the figure to be $\frac{3\sqrt{15}}{2}$. When we compare this to height of circle, the $\sqrt{15}$'s cancel out and we find the ratio of $\frac{2}{3}$ to $\frac{3}{2$} to be $\frac{4}{9}$. $MN$ is $\frac{4}{9}$ up the circle and has length of $\frac{5}{9}$ of $4$. $20+9=29$.
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@Michael Tong – $ 1 + 1 = 2 $ t e s t i n g . I s t h e r e a w a y t o e d i t a p o s t ?
The area of triangle ABC = pr/2 = h x BC/2 with p is the perimeter and h is the altitude drawn from A to the side BC, and r is the radius of the circle, then pr = h x BC => 18r = sinC x AC x BC = 32sinC => r=16/9 x sinC. Since MN and BC are parallel, then MN/BC = (h- 2r)/h => MN =20/9 = a/b => a+b=29
Take C as origin, B as (4,0) and A as(5.5,135^.5/2)...(u can get it by cosine formula). Consider the parallel line be y=k and center be (a,b). Find N and M in terms of k , i.e, N(11k/sqrt135,k) and M(4+3k/sqrt135, k). Clearly 2b=k(since b is radius of circle). Also perpendicular distance from the lines AC and AB to (a,b) is b. So we get 3 equations and 3 unknowns in a,b and k. Solve them and find k. Find MN as it was already in terms of k. answer is 20/9
its application of similarity and tangents...from a point...are equal...
Let r = the radius of the incircle for triangle ABC and h = the altitude from A to side BC. The semiperimeter of triangle ABC is half of the perimeter, or 9. Therefore we can express the area in two equivalent ways: A r e a = 9 r = 2 1 ( 4 h ) h = 2 9 r Since the incircle is tangent to both MN and BC, the incircle's diameter is perpendicular to both segments. Therefore, the distance between MN and BC is (2r), and thus the altitude from A to side MN is 2 9 r − 2 r = 2 5 r Since the diameter is perpendicular to both MN and BC, MN is parallel to BC, and therefore triangles ABC and AMN are similar. The ratio of the altitudes on triangle ABC and AMN is equal to the ratio of side BC to MN: 2 9 r 2 5 r = 4 s i d e M N s i d e M N = 9 2 0 So the final answer is 29 .
Let... the line segment AB tangent to the incircle at r, the line segment AC tangent to the incircle at s, the line segment BC tangent to the incircle at t,
ِAccording to the conditions, we get that: Ar = As, Br = Bt, Cs = Ct,
∵ Bt + Ct = BC = 4 ∴ Br + Cs = 4
∵ (Br + Ar) + (Cs + As) = AB + AC = 6 + 8 = 14 ∴ (Br + cs) + Ar + As = 14, I.e. (4) + Ar + As = 14,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Then, Ar + As = 10 ∴ Ar = As = 5 ------> *
∵ the line segment MN ∥ the line segment BC ∴ Δ ABC ∼ Δ AMN
∴ AB/AM = BC/MN = AC/AN
∴ 6/AM = 4/MN = 8/AN
∴ 6 MN = 4 AM, & 8MN = 4AN
Let... the line segment MN tangent to the incircle at h, and... hM = X, & hN = Y, So, MN = X + Y
ِAccording to the conditions, we get that: Mr = hM = X, & Ns = hN = Y,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Therefore, AM = Ar - X = 5 - X, AN = As - Y = 5 - Y
From ** we can get: 3(X + Y) = 2(5 - X), & 2(X + Y) = 5 - Y, 3X + 3Y = 10 - 2X, & 2X + 2Y = 5 - Y
∴ 5X + 3Y = 10, 2X + 3Y = 5 By subtraction we get: 3X = 5 -----> X = 5/3
∴ 2(5/3) + 3Y = 5 ∴ 10/3 + 3Y = 5, 10 + 9Y = 15, 9Y = 5 -------> Y = 5/9
∴ MN = X + Y = 5/3 + 5/9 = 15/9 + 5/9 = 20/9 ∴ a + b = 20 + 9 = 29
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Tangents drawn from a point to a circle are equal in length
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So, 2 0 + 9 = 2 9