Parallel Tangent

Geometry Level 2

In A B C , \triangle ABC, A B = 6 AB=6 , B C = 4 BC = 4 and A C = 8. AC=8. A segment parallel to B C \overline{BC} and tangent to the incircle of A B C \triangle ABC intersects A B \overline{AB} at M M and A C \overline{AC} at N N .

If M N = a b MN=\dfrac{a}{b} , where a a and b b are co-prime positive integers, what is the value of a + b a+b ?


The answer is 29.

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10 solutions

Maharnab Mitra
Jan 21, 2014

Tangents drawn from a point to a circle are equal in length image image image image

So, 20 + 9 = 29 20+9=29

Well let me say how i did the problem. It is not difficult to observe that the incircle of A B C \triangle ABC is the excircle of A N M \triangle ANM opposite to vertex A A . Let the incircle touch B C BC at P P , A C AC at Q Q and A B AB at R R . Thus the perimiter of A N M = 2 × A R = 2 × A Q \triangle ANM = 2 \times AR = 2 \times AQ . We have A Q = s a = 9 4 = 5 AQ = s-a = 9-4=5 .

Therefore, perimiter of A N M = 10 \triangle ANM = 10 . Now A N M A B C \triangle ANM \sim \triangle ABC and so we have

N M B C = p e r i m e t e r o f A N M p e r i m e t e r o f A B C = 10 18 = 5 9 \dfrac{NM}{BC} = \dfrac{perimeter of \triangle ANM}{perimeter of \triangle ABC}= \dfrac{10}{18} = \dfrac{5}{9} . Thus M N = 5 9 × 4 = 20 9 MN = \dfrac{5}{9} \times 4 = \dfrac{20}{9}

Sagnik Saha - 7 years, 4 months ago

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good solution........

piku nandu - 7 years, 4 months ago

Nice!

Tanishq Aggarwal - 7 years, 4 months ago

I found the radius using r = 1 2 ( a + b c ) ( b + c a ) ( c + a b ) ( a + b + c ) r = \frac{1}{2} \sqrt{\frac{(a+b-c)(b+c-a)(c+a-b)}{(a+b+c)}} , multiplied that by two, then used pythagorean theorem to set up two equations x 2 + y 2 = 36 , ( 4 x ) 2 + y 2 = 64 x^2 + y^2 = 36, (4-x)^2 + y^2 = 64 to find y y , found 2 r y \frac{2r}{y} to find the ratio of similitude equal to 5 9 \frac{5}{9} and then multiplied that by B C BC to get 20 9 \frac{20}{9}

Michael Tong - 7 years, 4 months ago

Well, thanks for the solution. I used the formula of tangential quadrilateral ie. MN+BC=NC+MB, but I couldn't reach the answer.

Peter Finn - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Peter, I myself posted the problem thinking that a solution with tangential quadrilateral wud appear, but surprisingly it dint. ever mind, u can use tangential quadrilaterals but after that ul need similarity of triangles.

Sagnik Saha - 7 years, 4 months ago

guys can u tell it was nt given than N n M are mid pts....how did u get that???

Archit Murkunde - 7 years, 4 months ago

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It is nt given that M & N are midpoints....in solution too it is not taken to be the midpts...The 2 triangles AMN & ABC are similar & the question is solved using similarity...

Amlan Mishra - 7 years, 4 months ago

excellent

arifur rahman mohammad - 7 years, 4 months ago

Excellent and easy

Sally Allam - 7 years, 4 months ago

Can you tell me some resources to learn advanced geometry? I mean the theorems and their applications, etc. @maharnab mitra

Jayakumar Krishnan - 7 years ago

Can a STAFF MEMBER help me out? I am not able to see the images of the solution given.... I have refreshed the page and reopened the app, still the image of the solution is not available. I can only see the last line of text....

Subham pan - 1 year, 2 months ago

did in the same way...

Amlan Mishra - 7 years, 4 months ago

i cant get it???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Keshav Bansal - 7 years, 4 months ago

i did it the same way but instead of solving for a , b , c a, b, c i used Law of Cotangents to directly find their length, the rest is all same.

Aneesh Kundu - 7 years ago

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Can you tell me what resources to learn advanced geometry? I see you are solving lot of advanced ( level 3/4 problems) . SO, I just wanted to know.

Jayakumar Krishnan - 7 years ago
Mursalin Habib
Jan 21, 2014

It's not hard to see that A B C \triangle ABC and A M N \triangle AMN are similar.

Let's call the height of A B C \triangle ABC , h h and its inradius r r . That means the height of A M N \triangle AMN is h 2 r h-2r .

Now we can write,

h 2 r h = M N B C \frac{h-2r}{h}=\frac{MN}{BC}

Now we're going to make some substitutions.

Notice that h = 2 [ A B C ] B C = 2 [ A B C ] 4 h=\frac{2[ABC]}{BC}=\frac{2[ABC]}{4} and r = [ A B C ] the semiperimeter of A B C = [ A B C ] 9 r=\frac{[ABC]}{\text{the semiperimeter of} \triangle ABC}=\frac{[ABC]}{9} . [ [ A B C ] [ABC] denotes the area of A B C \triangle ABC .]

So, h 2 r h = M N B C \frac{h-2r}{h}=\frac{MN}{BC}

1 2 r h = M N 4 \Rightarrow 1-\frac{2r}{h}=\frac{MN}{4}

1 2 [ A B C ] 9 2 [ A B C ] 4 = M N 4 \Rightarrow 1-\frac{\frac{2[ABC]}{9}}{\frac{2[ABC]}{4}}=\frac{MN}{4}

[I hope this line is not confusing. I basically did all the substitution at once.]

The [ A B C ] [ABC] 's cancel out and we're left with an equation with one unknown M N MN . After a little bit of rearranging, we get

M N = 20 9 MN=\frac{20}{9} .

So, a + b a+b is 20 + 9 = 29 20+9=\boxed{29} .

That's very nice! :)

I instead used the formula for inradius and calculated the angles MNC and NMB. Then I used the property that line joining the center and point of intersection of tangents bisects the angle between the tangents. By basic trigonometry, I got the right answer but well, that was much more complicated than your method. Thanks for sharing! :)

Pranav Arora - 7 years, 4 months ago

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You're welcome!

Mursalin Habib - 7 years, 4 months ago

very nicely done!

Anik Bhattacharjee - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Best solution.

Akash Hossain - 3 years, 1 month ago

Beautifully done! Excellent Solution..

Anish Puthuraya - 7 years, 4 months ago

Good Solution.. :D

Indra Ballav Sonowal - 1 year, 7 months ago

Did the same.

Vimal Khetan - 1 year, 2 months ago
Tanishq Aggarwal
Jan 21, 2014

Note that clearly A M N A C B \triangle AMN \sim \triangle ACB .

By Heron's formula, the area of triangle ABC is 3 15 3\sqrt{15} . As the area of a triangle equals the inradius multiplied by the semiperimeter, the radius of the incircle is 15 3 \frac{\sqrt{15}}{3} .

Note that the altitude from A to BC is 3 15 2 \frac{3\sqrt{15}}{2} . As the diameter that is perpendicular to MN and BC is parallel to this altitude, we may arrive at the conclusion that the altitude from A to MN is 3 15 2 2 15 3 = 5 15 6 \frac{3\sqrt{15}}{2} - \frac{2\sqrt{15}}{3} = \frac{5 \sqrt{15}}{6} .

We can set up a proportion as follows: let the length of MN be x x . Then the ratio of the length of x x and the length of B C BC is equal to the altitudes from A of triangle A B C ABC and A M N AMN , or, mathematically

5 15 6 3 15 2 = x 4 \frac{\frac{5 \sqrt{15}}{6}}{\frac{3 \sqrt{15}}{2}} = \frac{x}{4}

The computation is left to the reader, which produces a final answer of x = 20 9 x = \frac{20}{9} , which means that the desired sum is 29 \boxed{29} .

excellent solution

ajith gade - 7 years, 4 months ago

excellent!

Mate Matika - 7 years, 4 months ago
Ahmed Hossain
Dec 7, 2016

MN+BC=NC+MB; AN+MN+AM+2BC=AB+AC+BC; P(AMN)=18-8=10; But the perimeter of AMN is propotional to ABC.Let the constant be x. then P(ABC)*x=10; x= 5 9 \frac{5}{9} ; MN=xBC= 20 9 \frac{20}{9} ; thus a+b=29.

Cees Otto
Jan 21, 2014

r = V((s-a)(s-b)(s-c)/s) = 1/3V15. Area triangle = Vs(s-a)(s-b)(s-c) = 3V15, therefore height from A = 3/2V15 height incircle : height from A = 2/3V15 : 3/2V15 = 4 : 9 . Therefore MN: CB = 5 : 9. So MN = 20/9. Answer = 29

By Heron's formula, we get the area to be $3\sqrt{15}$. We divide this by $9$ to get the inradius of $\frac{\sqrt{15}}{3}$ We double this to get the height of the top of the circle off the ground. By multiplying the area by 2 and dividing by 4 we get the height of the figure to be $\frac{3\sqrt{15}}{2}$. When we compare this to height of circle, the $\sqrt{15}$'s cancel out and we find the ratio of $\frac{2}{3}$ to $\frac{3}{2$} to be $\frac{4}{9}$. $MN$ is $\frac{4}{9}$ up the circle and has length of $\frac{5}{9}$ of $4$. $20+9=29$.

Albert Xu - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Oops sorry. How do I use LaTeX here and how do I edit it?

Albert Xu - 7 years, 4 months ago

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Encode LaTeX with "backslash (" to begin and "backslash )" to end. (backslash = \

Michael Tong - 7 years, 4 months ago

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@Michael Tong $ 1 + 1 = 2 $ t e s t i n g . I s t h e r e a w a y t o e d i t a p o s t ? \$1+\sqrt{1}=2\$ testing. Is there a way to edit a post?

Albert Xu - 7 years, 4 months ago
Hải Quỳnh
Feb 25, 2014

The area of triangle ABC = pr/2 = h x BC/2 with p is the perimeter and h is the altitude drawn from A to the side BC, and r is the radius of the circle, then pr = h x BC => 18r = sinC x AC x BC = 32sinC => r=16/9 x sinC. Since MN and BC are parallel, then MN/BC = (h- 2r)/h => MN =20/9 = a/b => a+b=29

Akshay Sinha
Feb 14, 2014

Take C as origin, B as (4,0) and A as(5.5,135^.5/2)...(u can get it by cosine formula). Consider the parallel line be y=k and center be (a,b). Find N and M in terms of k , i.e, N(11k/sqrt135,k) and M(4+3k/sqrt135, k). Clearly 2b=k(since b is radius of circle). Also perpendicular distance from the lines AC and AB to (a,b) is b. So we get 3 equations and 3 unknowns in a,b and k. Solve them and find k. Find MN as it was already in terms of k. answer is 20/9

Harish Kp
Feb 3, 2014

its application of similarity and tangents...from a point...are equal...

Alexander Jiang
Jan 29, 2014

Let r = the radius of the incircle for triangle ABC and h = the altitude from A to side BC. The semiperimeter of triangle ABC is half of the perimeter, or 9. Therefore we can express the area in two equivalent ways: A r e a = 9 r = 1 2 ( 4 h ) Area = 9r = \frac{1}{2}(4h) h = 9 2 r h=\frac{9}{2}r Since the incircle is tangent to both MN and BC, the incircle's diameter is perpendicular to both segments. Therefore, the distance between MN and BC is (2r), and thus the altitude from A to side MN is 9 2 r 2 r = 5 2 r \frac{9}{2}r - 2r = \frac{5}{2}r Since the diameter is perpendicular to both MN and BC, MN is parallel to BC, and therefore triangles ABC and AMN are similar. The ratio of the altitudes on triangle ABC and AMN is equal to the ratio of side BC to MN: 5 2 r 9 2 r = s i d e M N 4 \frac{\frac{5}{2}r}{\frac{9}{2}r} = \frac{side MN}{4} s i d e M N = 20 9 side MN = \frac{20}{9} So the final answer is 29 .

Sally Allam
Jan 24, 2014

Let... the line segment AB tangent to the incircle at r, the line segment AC tangent to the incircle at s, the line segment BC tangent to the incircle at t,

ِAccording to the conditions, we get that: Ar = As, Br = Bt, Cs = Ct,

∵ Bt + Ct = BC = 4 ∴ Br + Cs = 4

∵ (Br + Ar) + (Cs + As) = AB + AC = 6 + 8 = 14 ∴ (Br + cs) + Ar + As = 14, I.e. (4) + Ar + As = 14,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Then, Ar + As = 10 ∴ Ar = As = 5 ------> *

∵ the line segment MN ∥ the line segment BC ∴ Δ ABC ∼ Δ AMN

∴ AB/AM = BC/MN = AC/AN

∴ 6/AM = 4/MN = 8/AN

∴ 6 MN = 4 AM, & 8MN = 4AN

∴ 3MN = 2AM, & 2MN = AN --------> **

Let... the line segment MN tangent to the incircle at h, and... hM = X, & hN = Y, So, MN = X + Y

ِAccording to the conditions, we get that: Mr = hM = X, & Ns = hN = Y,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Therefore, AM = Ar - X = 5 - X, AN = As - Y = 5 - Y

From ** we can get: 3(X + Y) = 2(5 - X), & 2(X + Y) = 5 - Y, 3X + 3Y = 10 - 2X, & 2X + 2Y = 5 - Y

∴ 5X + 3Y = 10, 2X + 3Y = 5 By subtraction we get: 3X = 5 -----> X = 5/3

∴ 2(5/3) + 3Y = 5 ∴ 10/3 + 3Y = 5, 10 + 9Y = 15, 9Y = 5 -------> Y = 5/9

∴ MN = X + Y = 5/3 + 5/9 = 15/9 + 5/9 = 20/9 ∴ a + b = 20 + 9 = 29

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