Particular Pentagon Point

Geometry Level 5

The point M M lies inside regular pentagon A B C D E ABCDE such that M B A = M E A = 4 2 \angle MBA = \angle MEA = 42^{\circ} . Find D M C \angle DMC .

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A B M E ABME need not be a parallelogram.
B M D BMD and E M C EMC need not be straight lines.


The answer is 60.

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5 solutions

Jeff Downin
Mar 7, 2014

Matt, We let the side of the pentagon equal 1, then used law of sines to find EM. After we had EM, we used the law of cosines to find DM. It turned out that DM=1. This, by symmetry of the figure, meant that CM was 1, which makes the triangle DCM equilateral. Thanks for sharing this great problem and great website. Jeff (PROMYS 2002-2009)

This was how I did the problem, but showing that DM was 1 reduced to the identity sin ( 54 ) = 2 cos ( 66 ) sin ( 84 ) \sin(54) = 2\cos(66)\sin(84) (in degrees), which isn't immediately obvious to me.

Patrick Corn - 7 years, 3 months ago

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It was not obvious to me, either. I put it into my calculator and was a little bit surprised. Perhaps it could be a proof for my Pre-Calculus class, using anlge sum formulas...

Jeff Downin - 7 years, 3 months ago

How do you use law of sines to find EM?

DPK ­ - 7 years, 3 months ago

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If this is a regular pentagon, then it is obvious B A E = 10 8 \angle BAE=108^\circ , therefore B M E = 16 8 \angle BME=168^\circ . By using symmetry, A M E = 8 4 \angle AME=84^\circ and M A E = 5 2 \angle MAE=52^\circ . Since we know all the angles of Δ AME \Delta \text{AME} and A E = 1 AE=1 , calculating E M EM can be done by using law of sine.

Tunk-Fey Ariawan - 7 years, 3 months ago

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How you get angle MAE =52
??

Chirayu Bhardwaj - 5 years, 2 months ago

Bingo

Garima Garima - 7 years, 3 months ago

it have more than one ans

Shashank Singh - 7 years, 2 months ago
Matt Enlow
Mar 6, 2014

Drawing a sketch, you might suspect that the desired angle measure is 60°. This happens to be correct, but how to prove it? We can do so by reasoning "backwards"--that is, begin with a point N inside the pentagon such that Δ D N C \Delta DNC is an equilateral triangle, then show that N coincides with our point M .

Let N be such a point. Since the angles of Δ D N C \Delta DNC are all 60°, both B C N \angle BCN and E D N \angle EDN measure 10 8 6 0 = 4 8 108^{\circ}-60^{\circ}=48^{\circ} . Since the segments B C BC , C N CN , E D ED , and D N DN are all congruent, Δ B C N \Delta BCN and Δ E D N \Delta EDN are both isosceles. This allows us to find that C B N = D E N = 6 6 \angle CBN = \angle DEN = 66^{\circ} , and therefore N B A = N E A = 10 8 6 6 = 4 2 \angle NBA = \angle NEA = 108^{\circ}-66^{\circ}=42^{\circ} .

Since there is only one point inside the pentagon satisfying the given properties (forming the two 42° angles), the points M and N must coincide. (That claim may require more justification--feel free to provide it for me!) Therefore the desired angle is, indeed, 60°.

I have two doubts in this answer. Please clear them if you can.

  1. how congruence of BC, CN, ED, DN implies that triangles BCN and EDN are isosceles?

  2. If triangle BCN is isosceles, then angles EDN and END are both 48 degrees. That will imply angle CBN =180 - 2*48 = 84, which contradicts your result (angle CBN = 66) !

Krishanu Sen - 7 years, 3 months ago

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A triangle is isosceles if two of its sides are congruent. But merely stating that a triangle is isosceles is only giving part of the story, since it is a claim that two of the triangle's sides are congruent without saying which two sides are the congruent ones. And that's an important piece of the puzzle!

The fact that B C = C N BC=CN makes triangle BCN isosceles, so the angles of triangle BCN that are opposite those sides,namely BNC and CBN, must be congruent. So if B C N = 4 8 \angle BCN = 48^{\circ} , and B N C C B N \angle BNC \cong \angle CBN , then B N C = C B N = 1 2 ( 18 0 4 8 ) = 6 6 \angle BNC = \angle CBN = \frac{1}{2}(180^{\circ}-48^{\circ})=66^{\circ} . A similar argument shows that the same is true for D E N \angle DEN .

I hope that was helpful.

Matt Enlow - 7 years, 3 months ago

Oh, I forgot to mention that I got this problem from Mathematical Olympiad Challenges by Andreescu & Gelca. (Highly recommended!)

Matt Enlow - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Hi, can you show a method where we can directly find the angle (without simply trying 6 0 o 60^o )

Anish Puthuraya - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Not at the moment, but I am working on it! You?

Matt Enlow - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Matt Enlow I dont know...It seems obvious that the angle must be unique , so it has to be solvable..
But, somehow there is an angle that is necessary to get the required angle (which I do not know)

Namely,
if I somehow get the angle E D M EDM or E M D EMD , then I will be done..(but, the equations do not work out as I expected it to)

I will try my best though to find it somehow..Thank you for response.

Anish Puthuraya - 7 years, 3 months ago

Can You tell me what I am doing wrong...??In triangle MBA...A is 54,B is 42 so M is 84...ditto for triangle MEA....Therefore EMB is 168...using vertically opposite angles...i got DMC is 168....

Tanya Gupta - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Those angles are not vertical. They may appear so in the diagram, but the five segments coming from M are five separate segments.

Matt Enlow - 7 years, 3 months ago

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Though the five segments from M are seperate, by the logic of sommetry, AM should be angle bisector of angle EAB, so should be 54.

Sagar Kulkarni - 7 years, 3 months ago

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@Sagar Kulkarni Yes, I agree with that. I'd even agree that E M B = 16 8 \angle EMB = 168^{\circ} .

Matt Enlow - 7 years, 3 months ago

Damn it...my mistake...sorry!!Thanks for making it clear!!

Tanya Gupta - 7 years, 2 months ago

I got 48 for some reason.

Kahsay Merkeb - 7 years, 3 months ago

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how?

Sagar Kulkarni - 7 years, 3 months ago

This doesn't look correct. I can prove that MBA and MEA will be 42 even if DMC is not 60. I proved that DCM= BMC-6. But the exact value of DMC is unclear.

Rajeev Gupta - 7 years, 3 months ago

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how DCM= BMC-6?

Sagar Kulkarni - 7 years, 3 months ago

I just used a law of sines bash. Slow and sluggish, but it works.

Albert Xu - 7 years, 3 months ago

but to try analyzing.. the illustration itself shows that the angle is more 90 degrees. below it is so numb

Ronald de los Santos - 7 years, 3 months ago

Hi guys, I did it by unconventional method and got the answer as 0 (zero). I would like to share the geometric shape along with the algebra. Can some one guide me how to share the picture. Hopefully someone will find flaw in my solution.

Ravi Saini - 7 years, 3 months ago

I think there is more than one solution to this problem.Please refer to my post and see if its right?

Pratyay Bhattacharya - 7 years, 2 months ago

If I didn't know that the measure was 60º, could I still solve this without trig? If yes, how?

Harshal Sheth - 7 years, 2 months ago

If we didn't assume the angle to be 60,, is there a way to solve this without using trig?

Trevor Arashiro - 6 years, 5 months ago

this is wrong solution i bet

Mudabbir Aashna - 7 years, 3 months ago

abme is a parallelogram and sum of all sides of parallelogram is 360 by this u can easily measure angle bme as it is vertical to dmc

Mudabbir Aashna - 7 years, 3 months ago

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We can't assume that angles BME and DMC are vertical. MA, MB, MC, MD, and ME are simply five segments having M as an endpoint.

Matt Enlow - 7 years, 3 months ago

I got DMC =180° Check where I am wrong..

EAB=108°, AEM=ABM=42° So EMB should be 168°.

Let DMC be x°. So MDC=MCD= (180-x)/2. EDC is 108° This gives EDM = 108 - (180-x)/2.

As AED=108° and AEM =48°, MED should be 66°.

So we get EMD=BMC= 180- {66 + [ 108- (180-x)/2]} =6 - (180-x)/2

Now, DME + EMB + BMC + CMD = 360° i.e. 2[6-(180-x)/2] + 168 + x = 360

Solving, we get x=180° i.e. M is the midpoint of DC. Where am I wrong?

Ajinkya Parab - 7 years ago

60 is the wrong answer i bet correct answer is 138

Mudabbir Aashna - 7 years, 3 months ago

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you r wrong dude....

Mukesh Subudhi - 7 years, 3 months ago

how? show us the proof.

Sagar Kulkarni - 7 years, 3 months ago
Amin Danial
Mar 12, 2014

From the properties of a regulat pentagon: < EAB =108 and from symmetry <MAB=54. In addition <CBM=108-42=66. Consequently from the triangle MAB we get <AMB=84. Since in the triangle MAB:AB/MB =sin(84)/sin(54) and in the triangle CMB: BC/MB=sin(<CMB)/sin(180-66-<CMB). Therefore we get sin(84)/sin(54)=sin(<CMB)/sin(114-<CMB)=1.2293. By rearranging this expression we get that tan(<CMB)=1.2293 sin(114)/(1+1.2293 cos(114)). then <CMB=66. Since 2 <CMB+2 <BMA+<DMC=360. Then <DMC=360-168-132=60.

sir, u r correct

Lava Addepalli - 7 years, 3 months ago

your solution is perfect....

Ashish Kumar - 7 years, 3 months ago

abme is a parallelogram and sum of all sides of parallelogram is 360 by this u can easily measure angle bme as it is vertical to dmc

Mudabbir Aashna - 7 years, 3 months ago

Looks incorrect. How did u get sin(84)/sin(54)=sin(<CMB)/sin(114-<CMB). Seems you are assuming BC=AB which is not given.

Rajeev Gupta - 7 years, 2 months ago

Let Angle DME=CMB=m Let AngleDMC=n then 2m+n=192. Let ED=a. Then DM=a/2 cosec n/2 Now In triangle DME DM=a/2 cosec n/2 & ED=a Angle DME=m & Angle DEM=66. Apply sin rule

DME and CMB are not equal .. bcoz its not stated that BD and EC are straight lines

Rishabh Tripathi - 7 years, 2 months ago

since angle MBA= angle MEA , therefore MBAE is a rhombus , so angle MBA + angle EMB = 180 degrees , so angle EMB = angle DMC ( vertically opposite ) = 180 - 42 = 138 degrees

MJ Magdy - 7 years, 3 months ago

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NOTE that angle EMB and angle DMC are NOT vertically opposite!

Abhishek Raj - 7 years, 3 months ago
Lu Chee Ket
Jan 31, 2015

Let side length of pentagon be 2 units for convenience.

R = 1/ Cos 54 d

H = Tan 54 d

r = 2 Sin 42 d/ Sin 84 d

h = R + H - r = Tan 54 d + Sec 54 d - 2 Sin 42 d/ Sin 84 d = Sqrt (3)

Tan (x/ 2) = 1/ h = 1/ Sqrt (3)

x = 2 Atan [1/ Sqrt(3)] = 60 degrees.

In this question, only manipulation of angles could not give the answer wanted. I think 42 degrees for 60 degrees is a made figure since our logic tells that only whole numbers will be there. Not obvious and answer in a minute made me incorrect. Unless we knew this, I think an honest man won't be able to answer in a minute.

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