Patrick's equation

Algebra Level 4

Find the sum of all solutions to the equation

( x 2 + 5 x + 5 ) x 2 10 x + 21 = 1. \large (x^2+5x+5)^{x^2-10x+21}=1 .


The answer is 2.

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15 solutions

Jordi Bosch
Sep 2, 2013

We must consider three cases:

  • The exponent equals to 0 0 .
    Solving x 2 10 x + 21 x^2 - 10x + 21 we get as a solutions 7 7 and 3 3 .

  • The base is 1 1 .
    Solving x 2 + 5 x + 4 x^2 + 5x + 4 we get as a solutions 1 -1 and 4 -4

  • The base is 1 -1 and the exponent is even.
    Solving x 2 + 5 x + 6 x^2 + 5x + 6 we get as a solutions 3 -3 and 2 -2
    We put the values on the exponent equation and only 3 -3 gives an even exponent.

So the sum of all solutions is: 7 + 3 1 4 3 = 2 7 + 3 - 1 - 4 - 3 = 2

i forgot case 3 hahhaha

RoneLio Barasi - 7 years, 9 months ago

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me too hahaha

Noppavong Chalermlapvaraboon - 5 years, 7 months ago

Same here .

Arghya Banerjee - 5 years, 3 months ago

Ugh I did as well

Johnny Jillky - 5 years, 2 months ago

Me too. Even I forgot the third case.

Rajdeep Bharati - 5 years, 2 months ago

Me too. I forgot to consider it at my first attempt. Then i got it in my second attempt.

Siddhant Chaudhari - 5 years, 2 months ago

hehe, same thing godammit

Anders Vestergaard - 10 months, 1 week ago

Me too, damit

Darien Pérez - 4 months, 2 weeks ago

me also forgot.. ha ha ha

Siva Prasad - 5 years, 11 months ago

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I missed 3 r d 3^{rd} case too :-)

Akshat Sharda - 5 years, 9 months ago

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@Akshat Sharda I also forgot. ....

Yash Mehan - 5 years, 5 months ago

hahaha first time i missed case 3 too

Jordi Bosch - 7 years, 9 months ago

Hmm i did this problem in a different way but I cant seem to find out why I cant get the 3rd case. What I did was to Lg both sides to give Lg(x^2+5x+5)^x2-10x+21=Lg1

Bring down the power of the Lg to give (x^2-10x+21)(Lg(x^2+5x+5))=0

factorize the exponentials, (x-7)(x-3)(Lg(x^2+5x+5))=0 From this we can see that x=7 or x=3. Also, Lg(x^2+5x+5)=0, so x^2+5x+5=1 Solve x^2+5x+5=1 gives (x+4)(x+1)=0, thus x=-4 or x=-1

So where did I go wrong? Please help thank you! :)

gerry zhang - 7 years, 9 months ago

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When you take the Lg and bring down the exponent, the function inside the Lg must have absolute value, e.g. Lg |x^2 + 5x + 5| and then equating this Lg | ... | to 0 will give you (x^2 + 5x +5) can be equal to both +1 and -1. Solve for both cases and use the conditions for absolute value to eliminate x = -2 or plug this solution into the equation to double check. Honestly, I forgot the -1 case, too. :)

Loc Nguyen - 7 years ago

Gerry you did not do anything wrong. Using the logs just makes the third case more difficult to see. Note that if the base is negative then its log is a family of complex numbers. The natural log of negative one is i π i\pi times the odd integers. We are only interested in real numbers here, so at that point you should just go back to the original form of the equation and contemplate it.

Brandon Stocks - 5 years ago

Add modulus sign inside the log

Pragyan Goswami - 5 years, 5 months ago

I would love to help you, but I'm not very introduced in logaritms and I don't know how to use them well, sorry

Jordi Bosch - 7 years, 9 months ago

Oh, I also missed the 3rd case, too.

Panya Chunnanonda - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Include me in this list as well😃

Ayush Pattnayak - 4 years, 12 months ago

can you please explain the 3rd point again, why it would be -1 ?

Rohit Verma - 5 years, 6 months ago

But the question is given as x^2 + 5x + 5

Rama Devi - 6 years ago

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when that equation is equal to 1 sub. 1 from LHS

A Former Brilliant Member - 5 years, 11 months ago

How can u make sure that there are only 3 cases ?

Thanh Viet - 5 years, 11 months ago

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Let' s assume that a b = 1 a^b=1 . Since a 0 a\neq 0 there are two possibilities a > 0 a >0 or a < 0. a<0.

Case 1( a < 0 a<0 ) . In this case a b = ( 1 a ) b = e b π i a b a^b=(-1*|a|)^{b}=e^{b*\pi i}|a|^{b} . According to this, the result can be a positive real number if and only if b π = 2 n π b*\pi =2n\pi where n n is an integer number. Therefore b b must be an even number. Now we have that a b = a b = 1 a^b=|a|^b=1 . Taking logarithms we obtain b ln a = 0. b*\ln|a|=0. Then b = 0 b=0 or a = 1 a=-1 .

Case 2 ( a > 0 a>0 ). This case is even easier. Since a b = 1 a^b=1 taking logarithms we obtain that b ln a = 0 b*\ln a=0 . Then b = 0 b=0 or a = 1. a=1.

That is why there are only 3 possibilities: a = 1 a=-1 and b b an even number; b = 0 b=0 and a 0 a\neq0 ; or a = 1 a=1 and b b any real number.

Arturo Presa - 5 years, 10 months ago

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ohh, spectacular ;D

Thanh Viet - 5 years, 10 months ago

By solving it using logarithm.

Kenny Lau - 5 years, 10 months ago

god!!!!!!!!!! forgot to add the values -3 nd -2

ommkar priyadarshi - 5 years, 1 month ago

i cant understand third point

Bibhuti Narayan - 7 years, 9 months ago

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It is quite simple: ( 1 ) 2 = ( 1 ) ( 1 ) = 1 (-1)^2 = (-1)*(-1) = 1

( 1 ) 3 = ( 1 ) ( 1 ) ( 1 ) = 1 (-1)^3 = (-1) * (-1) * (-1) = -1

So because the equation has a solution (-1) must be raised to an even number and this happens when -3 is the solution, in this case (-1) is raised to 60.

Jordi Bosch - 7 years, 9 months ago

i forgot the third case. crap.

Utkarsh Sahu - 7 years, 9 months ago

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same!

siddharth shah - 7 years, 9 months ago

aarrggh, i forgot the third case

Ghifari Adam Faza - 7 years, 9 months ago

darn...i forgot case 3..

Anik Chakrabarty - 7 years, 9 months ago

haha. me too

Reyman Jan Evangelista - 7 years, 9 months ago

I too missed the third case in first attempt XD

Aakarshit Uppal - 6 years, 3 months ago

How can you say that only -3 gives a solution to the third case? why can't we say that x^2 -10*x + 25 = -4
solving we get x=5

Raven Herd - 5 years, 12 months ago

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But sir,did you mean x^2-10x+25=0? And how have you come up with x^2-10x+21=-4? Where does the -4 come from?

Kenny Lau - 5 years, 10 months ago

C H E E R S CHEERS

Abhisek Mohanty - 5 years, 10 months ago

Just remembered the third case in time :P

Hrishik Mukherjee - 5 years, 10 months ago

Forgot case 3 damn

Shubham Bhargava - 5 years, 9 months ago

I didn't miss the third case :P

Swapnil Das - 5 years, 9 months ago

Probably the best question.i hav ever seen.it can be given as a object type question. Easy yet difficult.this is what i call a tricky question.

Priyanshu Tirkey - 5 years, 4 months ago

Completely forgot case 3!

Ivander Jonathan - 5 years, 4 months ago

Haha,u r wrong,-3 dosent satisfy d equation lol.

Karan Gujar - 5 years, 4 months ago

All fools check : the third case give two values which are garbage as they dont satisfy d equation

Karan Gujar - 5 years, 4 months ago

Did it in a similar way.

Rinkon Saha - 5 years, 4 months ago

Isn't there a 4th case when base is 1 and exponent is -1?

Junaid Ali - 5 years, 4 months ago

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X is common in both, the base and the exponent. So if u equate the base to 1, there is no guarantee that exponent could me made equal to -1, because u are fixing the value of x while equating the base to 1. And anyways, it would not be a different case as 1 to the power anything, is always one. So it would come in the second case. Hope that i am clear in my explanation :)

Siddhant Chaudhari - 5 years, 2 months ago

That is covered in "The base is 1", where we didn't have to add a restriction to the exponent. In particular, the exponent could be -1 (or anything else).

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

A very simple and elegant problem. I solved it the same way!!!

abc xyz - 5 years, 3 months ago

@Rajdeep Bharati Please keep comments on a solution relevant to the particular solution, instead of commenting about it elsewhere.

This solution is correct. It is based on the same cases which lead to a b = 1 a^b = 1 . I'm not sure what you mean by "Shouldn't they have neglected some cases?".

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 2 months ago

Why are those the only three cases?

Konstantin Zeis - 5 years, 1 month ago

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I guess the problem should have said that the answers have to be whole numbers in that situation only three cases are possible and the third one was ignored by most of us. Yes a seemingly easy problem but as someone said about an exam "I agree this is an easy exam, it is easy to fail" I missed it. Congratulations for devising such a question.

Zahid Hussain - 1 year, 9 months ago

how did you get x^2 + 5x +4 & x^2 + 5x +6 when it's x^2 + 5x +5 ?

Nishant Sood - 5 years ago

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You have to make the Lefthand side equal to zero. In one case, you try to find (x² + 5x + 5) = 1, in the other you want (x² + 5x + 5) = -1 and the exponent be even.

Ado Wrath - 4 years, 11 months ago

Anyone Knows from where this problem is picked??

RAJ RAJPUT - 5 years ago

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From Brilliant :) Once you understand the underlying principle, it's not hard to create questions like this.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years ago

how do you know that the third case is possible?

Christian Filemon - 5 years ago

I forgot ( 1 ) k , k (-1)^{k}, k is even number.

Saksham Jain - 3 years, 6 months ago

As far as I know: x = ( 16 + e 2 k π / c c ) / 15 x=(16+e^{2k\pi/c}-c)/15 and x = ( 16 + e 2 k π / d d i ) / 15 x=(16+e^{2k\pi/d}-d i)/15 for any integer k k and nonzero reals c c and d are all solutions!

The first leads to ( e 2 k π i / c ) c = 1 (e^{2k\pi i/c})^c=1 ;

the second leads to ( e 2 k π / d ) d i = 1 (e^{2k\pi /d})^{d i}=1 .

Ron van den Burg - 3 years, 6 months ago

why taking the natural log of both sides doesn't give me -3 as a solution ??

Ahmed Mahmoud - 3 years ago

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Likely because you/the caculator required the natural log to be positive, whereas the solution of -3 arises when x 2 + 5 x + 5 = 1 x^2 + 5x + 5 = - 1 .

Read the solution for why this happens.

Calvin Lin Staff - 3 years ago

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thanks bro

Ahmed Mahmoud - 3 years ago

Be careful bro, you must Forget -2

Didan Nazli - 2 years, 7 months ago

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-2 is not a solution. Do you see why?

Calvin Lin Staff - 2 years, 7 months ago

There are only four solutions. Wrong answer. The roots are -4, -1, 3 and 7 which gives a total of 5.

Miguel Montenegro - 2 years, 6 months ago

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What happens when you put in ( x = - 3 )? What does the LHS look like?

Calvin Lin Staff - 2 years, 6 months ago

What a great problem. I leaned alot.. I am delighted i found the first 2 cases!

Thomas Ottman - 8 months, 1 week ago

T T missed case 3 - -"

Kunal Rmth - 7 years, 9 months ago

Everyone seems to miss case 3 including me D:

Josh Kolenbrander - 7 years, 9 months ago

why not -2?

hasan kibria - 5 years, 6 months ago

@Jordi Bosch This is incomplete. You also need to check the condition in Case 1 \textbf{Case 1} when the base as well as the exponent is equal to 0 0 . However in this scenario, it won't affect the solution, but for future reference, completeness of the solution is required.

Rishik Jain - 5 years, 5 months ago

But it's x2+5x+5!

BISWAJIT MOHANTY - 5 years, 9 months ago
Cal Wells
Sep 2, 2013

Consider the cases when a^b = 1

This can only occur when a=1, b=0, and a=-1 where b is even.

Consider case one, where a=1

This implies that: x^2 + 5x + 5 = 1 x^2 + 5x + 4 = 0 (x + 4)(x + 1) = 0 So we now have two solutions, x=-4 and x=-1

Consider case two, where b=0

This implies that: x^2 - 10x +21 = 0 (x - 7)(x - 3) = 0 This gives two solutions, x=7, and x=3

Consider case three, where a=-1, and b is even

This implies that: x^2 + 5x + 5 = -1 x^2 + 5x + 6 = 0 (x + 3)(x + 2) = 0 Which gives x=-3 and x=-2 However, we discard x=-2 as it gives rise to an odd value of b (45)

This leaves us with the final solutions: -4, -1, 7, 3 and -3 which sum to 2

why we discard -2

lalan patel - 7 years, 9 months ago

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because at -2 x 2 10 x + 21 x^{2}-10x+21 is not even and -1 raised to an odd power results in -1 not 1

Snehdeep Arora - 7 years, 9 months ago

Easy solution to understand :)

Mahtab Hossain - 5 years, 12 months ago

Sum of root three quadratic equations is equal to 2

Sachin Kumar - 1 year, 1 month ago

There's also a case when x²+5x+5=i AND x²-10x+21=4n to consider. But it yields no solutions.

Olle Freyja - 8 months ago
Mike Becich
Sep 1, 2013

x 2 + 5 x + 5 = 1 x^{2}+5x+5 =1 yields solutions -1 and -4

x 2 + 5 x + 5 = 1 x^{2}+5x+5 =-1 and since the exponent must even, this yields solution: -3 (not -2)

x 2 10 x + 21 = 0 x^{2}-10x+21 =0 yields solutions 7 and 3

Thus, 1 + 4 + 3 + 7 + 3 = 2 -1 + -4 + -3 + 7 + 3 = 2

i cant understand second point

Bibhuti Narayan - 7 years, 9 months ago

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for second solution to be valid, x 2 10 x + 21 x^2-10x+21 must be an even number because ( 1 ) e v e n n u m b e r = 1 (-1)^{even number}=1 but ( 1 ) o d d n u m b e r = 1 (-1)^{odd number}=-1 . That is why only x = 3 x=-3 is a valid solution in the second case.

Anjum Naseer - 7 years, 9 months ago

why not (-2)?

hasan kibria - 5 years, 6 months ago

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-2 makes the power odd which results in -1 not 1

Muhammad Salem - 3 years, 4 months ago

why not -2?

hasan kibria - 5 years, 6 months ago

I forgot the -3

Giampaolo Tumminello - 2 years, 4 months ago
Gary Munnelly
Dec 5, 2018

There are three scenarios which solve the problem:

  • The exponent is 0, as anything (except 0 itself) raised to 0 is 1
  • The base is 1, as positive 1 raised to any value is always 1
  • The base is -1 and the exponent is even

Case 1:

x 2 10 x + 21 = 0 x^2 -10x +21 = 0

( x 7 ) ( x 3 ) = 0 (x -7)(x-3) = 0

x = 7 , x = 3 x = 7, x = 3

The base is non-zero for both of these roots, so these are two solutions to the problem.

Case 2:

x 2 + 5 x + 5 = 1 x^2 + 5x + 5 = 1

x 2 + 5 x + 4 = 0 x^2 + 5x + 4 = 0

( x + 4 ) ( x + 1 ) = 0 (x + 4)(x + 1) = 0

x = 4 , x = 1 x = -4, x = -1

Case 3:

x 2 + 5 x + 5 = 1 x^2 + 5x + 5 = -1

x 2 + 5 x + 6 = 0 x^2 + 5x + 6 = 0

( x + 3 ) ( x + 2 ) = 0 (x + 3)(x + 2) = 0

x = 3 , x = 2 x = -3, x = -2

We need to test these two roots in the exponent. Exponent must be even.

( 3 ) 2 10 ( 3 ) + 21 = 9 + 30 + 21 = 60 (-3)^2 - 10 (-3) + 21 = 9 + 30 + 21 = 60

This one works!

( 2 ) 2 10 ( 2 ) + 21 = 4 + 20 + 21 = 45 (-2)^2 - 10 (-2) + 21 = 4 + 20 + 21 = 45

This does not work.

So our only valid solution in Case 3 is x = 3 x = -3

Result

4 1 + 7 + 3 3 = 2 -4 -1 + 7 + 3 - 3 = \boxed{2}

I like this solution the most because it 'solves' each scenario rather than just 'concluding' the answer.

Zahid Hussain - 1 year, 9 months ago
Barbod Pajoum
Sep 5, 2013

we have three choices choice one: x2+5x+5 =1 choice two: x2−10x+21=0 choice three: x2+5x+5=-1 and x2−10x+21 is even the first one have two solutions: 7 , 3 the second one have two solutions: -1,-4 the third one have one solution: -3 7+3 + -1 + -4 + -3 = 2 the solution is 2

Aswin T.S.
Feb 14, 2016

Snehdeep Arora
Sep 5, 2013

x 2 + 5 x + 5 x^{2} + 5x + 5 can take values 1 and -1(if x 2 10 x + 21 x^{2}-10x+21 is even). x 2 + 5 x + 5 x^{2} + 5x + 5 is 1 at -4 and -1 and -1 at -3 and -2 ,but x 2 10 x + 21 x^{2}-10x+21 is not even at -2 so the solution from here are -4,-3,-1.

x 2 10 x + 21 x^{2}-10x+21 can be zero \Rightarrow at 7 and 3

sum = 7 + 3 4 3 1 = 2 7+3-4-3-1 = 2

Sabab Ahad
Sep 2, 2013

(x^{2}+5 \times x+5)^{x^{2}−10 \times x+21}=1

There 2 cases in which the equation would be zero. That is either, the power {x^{2}−10 \times x+21} is zero or when the base number (x^{2}+5 \times x+5) is one or negative one.

When x^{2}−10 \times x+21= 0, x= 7,3 When x^{2}+5 \times x+5= 1, x= -4, -1 When x^{2}+5 \times x+5= -1, x= -3, -2

However, in the last case above ( when the base is equal to negative one) -2 is invalid. This is due to the fact that when -2 is substituted into the power, the power would be an odd number. If the power was a odd number, the whole equation would be -1^{odd}= -1.

This leaves 5 solutions. They are: 7, 3, -4, -1 and -3. 7+3-4-1-3=2

enclose maths in \ ( and \ )

Snehdeep Arora - 7 years, 9 months ago
Tom Wang
Jun 26, 2020

see jordi bosch's answer.

I had to plug in the equation into wolfram to see what the answer was and realized I was missing 1^any number=1 and (-1)^even number=1 solutions.

Divya Sharma
Jun 2, 2017

Put the power as 0 because the answer on the is one.. so, 2 is the answer..

Aditya Kumar
Feb 5, 2016

Missed the third case in first attempt but got it in the second

Lu Chee Ket
Aug 3, 2015

This is the second problem of the same type I think with in 9 months! This time I did it correctly, using -1, and solving for 0, +1, -1.

Hobart Pao
Jul 28, 2015

I solved the problem the standard way by taking natural logs of both sides. Eventually this comes out to: ( x 3 ) ( x 7 ) ln ( x 2 + 5 x + 5 ) = 0 (x-3)(x-7)\ln\left(x^{2}+5x+5\right) = 0 . We want part of this to be zero. Either we can accomplish that by either making ( x 3 ) (x-3) or ( x 7 ) (x-7) zero, or we could make the natural log equal to zero, by making the argument of the logarithm equal to 1. That becomes another quadratic equation for the latter, and you can obtain 1 as the argument with x = 1 x = -1 or x = 4 x = -4 . That gives 3 , 7 , 1 , 4 3, 7, -1, -4 . Also, if we make the . However, we're not done yet. What if ( x 2 + 5 x + 5 ) (x^{2}+5x+5) gives -1, and x 2 10 x + 21 ) x^{2}-10x+21) is even? Then, we can still satisfy the equation. Set ( x 2 + 5 x + 5 ) (x^{2}+5x+5) equal to 1 1 and factor it. Here, you can get either 2 -2 or 3 -3 . Only 3 -3 works because it makes x 2 10 x + 21 x^{2}-10x+21 even, and 1 -1 raised to an even exponent results in 1 1 . 2 -2 makes x 2 10 x + 21 x^{2}-10x+21 odd. Finally, the sum of all solutions 3 + 7 1 4 3 = 2 3+7-1-4-3=2 .

Anirudh Chauhan
Sep 8, 2013

First make x^2-10x+21=0.then find solutions of this which are 7 and 3 Next make x^2+5x+5=1 find solutions of this which are -1 and -4 At last make x^2+5x+5=-1 find solutions which are -2 and -3. -2 doesn't satisfy this condition. Add 7, 3,-1,-4 and -3 you will get the answer I.e. 2

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