Perfect Squares Only

Let a , b , c a,b,c be nonzero perfect squares such that b = a + c b = a+c . The equation a x 2 b x + c = 0 ax^2 - bx + c = 0 has the following properties:

  • It has a real root d d that is greater than 1. (The other root may or may not be real.)
  • The square root of the quadratic discriminant is a prime number.

Among all such ( a , b , c , d ) (a,b,c,d) , pick the one such that the discriminant is minimum. Find a b c d \sqrt{abcd} .


The answer is 80.

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Since a a , b b , c c are all perfect square numbers, we can rewrite them as squared numbers for some positive integers s s , t t , u u below:

a = s 2 ; c = t 2 ; b = u 2 a = s^2; c = t^2; b = u^2

Now from b b = a a + c c , u 2 u^2 = s 2 s^2 + t 2 t^2 .

That means the integers s s , t t , u u form a Pythagorean triple, and when we evaluate the quadratic discriminant, it will result in absolute difference between two squares:

b 2 4 a c \sqrt{b^2 - 4ac} = ( a + c ) 2 4 a c \sqrt{(a + c)^2 - 4ac} = a 2 2 a c + c 2 \sqrt{a^2 - 2ac + c^2} = ( a c ) 2 \sqrt{(a - c)^2 } = a c \mid{a - c}\mid

Substituting a a = s 2 s^2 ; c c = t 2 t^2 , we will get:

a c \mid{a - c}\mid = s 2 t 2 \mid{s^2-t^2}\mid = s t \mid{s - t}\mid s + t \mid{s + t}\mid

Since the condition restricts that the discriminant is prime, that means s t \mid{s - t}\mid = 1. Otherwise, the product will be a composite number.

Then in case s s = t t + 1; u 2 u^2 = ( t + 1 ) 2 (t+1)^2 + t 2 t^2 = 2 t 2 2t^2 + 2 t t + 1.

Clearly, u u is odd and equals to 2 n n + 1 for some integer n n .

( 2 n + 1 ) 2 (2n+1)^2 = 2 t 2 2t^2 + 2 t t + 1

4 n 2 4n^2 + 4 n n = 2 t 2 2t^2 + 2 t t

2 n 2 2n^2 + 2 n n = t 2 t^2 + t t

2 n 2n [ n + 1 n+1 ] = t t [ t + 1 t+1 ]

This product is a multiplication of 2 consecutive natural numbers, which is also a multiplication of 2 consecutive numbers when it's divided by 2. Of all the consecutive pairs, only 3 × 4 3\times 4 = 2 2 [ 2 × 3 2\times 3 ] fits the constraint. (For t t = s s + 1, it will have similar results.)

In other words, (3 , 4 , 5) and (4 , 3 , 5) are the only applicable triples for (s , t , u). Hence, the discriminant will equal to 2 5 2 4 ( 9 × 16 ) \sqrt{25^2 - 4(9\times 16)} = 7 7 .

Nonetheless, if a a = 4 2 4^2 ; c c = 3 2 3^2 , the roots will equal to ( 25 + 7 ) 32 \dfrac{(25 + 7)}{32} = 32 32 \dfrac{32}{32} = 1 1 or ( 25 7 ) 32 \dfrac{(25 - 7)}{32} = 18 32 \dfrac{18}{32} , which never exceeds 1. Therefore, a a = 3 2 3^2 ; c c = 4 2 4^2 .

Hence, d d = ( 25 + 7 ) 18 \dfrac{(25 + 7)}{18} = 32 18 \dfrac{32}{18} = 16 9 \dfrac{16}{9} = c a \dfrac{c}{a} .

Therefore, a b c d \sqrt{abcd} = 9 × 25 × 16 × ( 16 9 ) \sqrt{9\times 25\times 16\times (\frac{16}{9})} = 16 × 5 16\times 5 = 80 80 .

doesnt Quadratic Discriminant means b^2 - 4ac

Somesh Patil - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Even I thought the same

Aayush Patni - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Sorry, my mistake. Got confused with the definition.

Worranat Pakornrat - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Worranat Pakornrat I spent a few hours on this, gave up and hit "discuss solutions" and the original question changed on me.

Ken Hodson - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Ken Hodson Sorry about that. I thought the discriminant involved the whole root.

Worranat Pakornrat - 5 years, 5 months ago

Thanks. In future, if you spot any errors with a problem, you can “report” it by selecting "report problem" in the “More” menu in the top right corner. This will notify the problem creator who can fix the issues.

Calvin Lin Staff - 5 years, 5 months ago

Sorry, I already corrected it.

Worranat Pakornrat - 5 years, 5 months ago

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