Polynomial factor-Nightmare

Algebra Level 5

If x 2 x 1 { x }^{ 2 }-x-1 is a factor of z x 20 + y x 19 + 1 , { zx }^{ 20 }+{ yx }^{ 19 }+1, then what is the value of z ? \lvert z\rvert?

Note: x x is a variable, while y y and z z are constants.


The answer is 4181.

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Shivamani Patil
Nov 28, 2014

Roots of equation are x 2 x 1 { x }^{ 2 }-x-1 are ϕ = 1 + 5 2 , τ = 1 5 2 \phi =\frac { 1+\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } ,\tau =\frac { 1-\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } .

As x 2 x 1 { x }^{ 2 }-x-1 is factor of z x 20 + y x 19 + 1 { zx }^{ 20 }+{ yx }^{ 19 }+1 .

Therefore we get z ϕ 20 + y ϕ 19 + 1 = 0 , z τ 20 + y τ 19 + 1 = 0 z\phi ^{ 20 }+{ y\phi }^{ 19 }+1=0,{ z\tau }^{ 20 }+{ y\tau }^{ 19 }+1=0

Subtracting 2nd equation from 1st we get z ϕ 20 z τ 20 + y ϕ 19 y τ 19 = 0 = z ( ϕ 20 τ 20 ) + y ( ϕ 19 τ 19 ) z\phi ^{ 20 }-{ z\tau }^{ 20 }+{ y\phi }^{ 19 }-{ y\tau }^{ 19 }=0=z(\phi ^{ 20 }-{ \tau }^{ 20 })+{ y(\phi }^{ 19 }-{ \tau }^{ 19 })

Now we have formula f n = ( ϕ n τ n ) 5 { f }_{ n }=\frac { \left( { \phi }^{ n }-{ \tau }^{ n } \right) }{ \sqrt { 5 } } where f n { f }_{ n } is n t h nth Fibonacci number.

Using above formula we have our expression as z 5 f 20 + y 5 f 19 = 0 z{ \sqrt { 5 } f }_{ 20 }+y{ \sqrt { 5 } f }_{ 19 }=0 .,,,,,(1)

Dividing by 5 \sqrt { 5 } we get z f 20 + y f 19 = 0 z{ f }_{ 20 }+y{ f }_{ 19 }=0 .

As we know 20 t h 20th and 19 t h 19th Fibonacci numbers are 6765 6765 and 4181 4181 .

Now substituting in (1) we get our equation as 6765 z + 4181 y = 0 6765z+4181y=0

Clearly z = ± 4181 n , y = 6765 n z=\pm 4181n,y=\mp 6765n for n = 0 , 1 , 2 , . . . . n=0,1,2,....

Our answer occur's at n = 1 n=1 and z = ± 4181 z=\pm 4181

So our answer is 4181 4181 .

Note: You still need to explain why the rest of the values of 4181 n 4181 n are invalid.

This likely arose when you took the difference of 2 equations, which (potenntially) increased the size of your solution set.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 6 months ago

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Can it be show why rest are invalid?

shivamani patil - 6 years, 6 months ago

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Yes. In fact, one can show that 4181 ϕ 20 6765 ϕ 19 = 1 4181 \phi^{20} - 6765 \phi^{19} = 1 , which would explain why z = 4181 z = - 4181 .

This explains why "our answer occurs at n = 1 n=-1 ".

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 6 months ago

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@Calvin Lin How you got that equation?

shivamani patil - 6 years, 6 months ago

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@Shivamani Patil There are strong ties between the fibonacci numbers, and this problem, in part due to the polynomial x 2 x 1 x^2 - x - 1 . Given that, there are several other approaches that we could use to tackle this question.

As you mentioned, 4181 = F 19 4181 = F_{19} and 6765 = F 20 6765 = F_{20} . Thus, we can write

F 19 ϕ 20 F 20 ϕ 19 = F 19 ( ϕ 19 + ϕ 18 ) F 20 ϕ 19 = ( F 18 ϕ 19 F 19 ϕ 18 ) = = F 17 ϕ 18 F 18 ϕ 17 = = = F 1 ϕ 0 F 0 ϕ 1 = 1 × 1 0 × ϕ = 1 \begin{array} {l l l} & F_{19} \phi^{20} - F_{20} \phi^{19} & = F_{19} ( \phi^{19} + \phi^{18}) - F_{20} \phi^{19} \\ = & -( F_{18} \phi^{19} - F_{19} \phi^{18}) & = \ldots \\ = &F_{17} \phi^{18} - F_{18} \phi^{17} & = \ldots \\ = &\vdots \\ = &F_1 \phi^ 0 - F_0 \phi^1 & = 1 \times 1- 0 \times \phi \\ = & 1 \end{array}

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 6 months ago

But how to get ( 1 5 2 ) 20 (\dfrac { 1-\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } )^{20} or ( 1 5 2 ) 19 (\dfrac { 1-\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } )^{19} If we don't know 20 t h 20th fibonacci number Or if the question would be If x 2 x 1 { x }^{ 2 }-x-1 is a factor of z x 45 + y x 44 + 1 { zx }^{ 45 }+{ yx }^{ 44 }+1 find the value of z |z| .

Mehul Chaturvedi - 6 years, 5 months ago

But how to get ( 1 5 2 ) 20 (\dfrac { 1-\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } )^{20} or ( 1 5 2 ) 19 (\dfrac { 1-\sqrt { 5 } }{ 2 } )^{19} If we don't know 20 t h 20th fibonacci number Or if the question would be If x 2 x 1 { x }^{ 2 }-x-1 is a factor of z x 45 + y x 44 + 1 { zx }^{ 45 }+{ yx }^{ 44 }+1 find the value of z |z| .

Mehul Chaturvedi - 6 years, 5 months ago

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It will be cumbersome,I agree.We can use F ( 2 n 1 ) = ( F ( n 1 ) ) 2 + ( F ( n ) ) 2 F(2n-1)=({ F(n-1) })^{ 2 }+{ (F(n) })^{ 2 } and F ( 2 n ) = ( 2 F ( n 1 ) + F ( n ) ) F ( n ) F(2n)=(2F(n-1)+F(n))F(n) for calculating values of Fibonacci sequence.I used that formula as a trick not for calculating n t h nth term,

shivamani patil - 6 years, 5 months ago
Aneesh Kundu
Jan 1, 2015

g ( x ) = x 2 x 1 = 0 g(x)=x^2-x-1=0 x = 1 ± 5 2 \Rightarrow x=\dfrac{1\pm\sqrt{5}}{2} let φ = 1 + 5 2 , ψ = 1 5 2 \varphi=\dfrac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}, \psi=\dfrac{1-\sqrt{5}}{2} f ( x ) = z x 17 + y x 16 + 1 f(x)=zx^{17}+yx^{16}+1 Since g ( x ) g(x) is factor of f ( x ) f(x) , so φ \varphi and ψ \psi are also the roots of f ( x ) f(x) f ( φ ) = z φ 20 + y φ 19 + 1 = 0 f(\varphi)=z\varphi^{20}+y\varphi^{19}+1=0 f ( ψ ) = z ψ 12 + y ψ 19 + 1 = 0 f(\psi)=z\psi^{12}+y\psi^{19}+1=0 The above equations are linear equations in terms of z z and y y . so we use cross-multiplication to solve them. z φ 19 ψ 19 = 1 φ 20 ψ 19 φ 19 ψ 20 \Rightarrow \dfrac{z}{\varphi^{19}-\psi^{19} }= \dfrac{1}{\varphi^{20}\psi^{19} - \varphi^{19}\psi^{20}} z = φ 19 ψ 19 φ 19 ψ 19 ( φ ψ ) \Rightarrow z=\dfrac{\varphi^{19}-\psi^{19}}{\varphi^{19}\psi^{19}(\varphi-\psi)} We know that ψ 19 φ 19 = ( 1 ) 19 = 1 \psi^{19}\varphi^{19}=(-1)^{19}=1 and also that F n = φ n ψ n φ ψ F_{n}=\dfrac{\varphi^{n}-\psi^{n}}{\varphi-\psi} and F 19 = 4181 F_{19}=4181 Substituting these values, we get z = 4181 z=-4181 z = 4181 \Rightarrow\boxed{|z|=4181}

Same question just did it now

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