Function

Algebra Level 2

The polynomial function f : R + R + f: \mathbb{R}^+ \rightarrow \mathbb{R}^+ satisfies the functional equation

f ( f ( x ) ) = 6 x + f ( x ) . f(f(x) ) = 6x + f(x).

What is the value of f ( 17 ) f(17) ?

-34 -51 17 51

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7 solutions

Finn Hulse
Jun 18, 2014

If we look closely, the degree of the polynomial will be squared on the LHS. In the RHS however, the degree remains unchanged assuming that the polynomial isn't constant. So we can safely conclude that this is a first degree linear polynomial with no constant term (convince yourself that this is true). Let's let

f ( x ) = a x f(x)=ax

Then we see that

a 2 = 6 + a a^2=6+a

Solving, we see that a = 2 , 3 a=-2, 3 . But because this is a function purely in the positive reals, a = 3 a=3 . Plugging in x = 17 x=17 , we see that f ( 17 ) = 3 ( 17 ) = 51 f(17)=3(17)=\boxed{51} .

The problem doesn't mention that the function is a polynomial.

Michael Tong - 6 years, 11 months ago

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+1. how does he know this is a polynomial?

Zakaria Sellami - 6 years, 11 months ago

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I'm just assuming.

Finn Hulse - 6 years, 11 months ago

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@Finn Hulse This problem has been modified several times. In the original version, the condition of being a polynomial wasn't necessary, and so I removed it. However, there was no correct option and hence the equation had to be changed.

There are other solutions to this functional equation, so let me add back the condition of being a polynomial. I'd also post another problem along the lines of what I thought it should be initially.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 11 months ago

Actually it does. Very first line.

Scott Bartholomew - 2 years ago

i didn't understand this solution but it was my luck that the option i choose was correct

Rishabh Jain - 6 years, 11 months ago

Putting x=0 in the original equation leads to f(0)=0. Thats how I convinced myself about the 'with no constant term' part.

Muhammad Abdullah - 6 years, 11 months ago

Actually, if we take f ( x ) = a x + b f(x) = ax + b , we get b = 0 b=0

Avineil Jain - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Yeah. Because you see that by applying the function twice, a 6 x 6x term is added on. The constant must have doubled on the LHS, but it didn't change on the RHS, so we can safely say there is no constant. :D

Finn Hulse - 6 years, 11 months ago

Surely since f ( x ) f\left(x\right) is a function on the positive reals, then we can't take x = 0 x=0 ? Or more likely have I misunderstood something here?

Danny He - 6 years, 11 months ago

But this is not a proof.

Sushil Kumar Yadav - 3 years, 5 months ago
Daniel Ferreira
Aug 3, 2014

Consideremos a função f f dada por f ( x ) = a x + b f(x) = ax + b , então:

f ( f ( x ) ) = 6 x + f ( x ) a ( a x + b ) + b = 6 x + a x + b a 2 x + ( a b + b ) = ( 6 + a ) x + b { a 2 = 6 + a a b + b = b f(f(x)) = 6x + f(x) \\ a(ax + b) + b = 6x + ax + b \\ a^2x + (ab + b) = (6 + a)x + b \\\\ \begin{cases}a^2 = 6 + a \\ ab + b = b \end{cases}

Equação I:

a 2 = 6 + a a 2 a 6 = 0 ( a 3 ) ( a + 2 ) = 0 a = 2 e a = 3 a^2 = 6 + a \\ a^2 - a - 6 = 0 \\ (a - 3)(a + 2) = 0 \\ a = - 2 \; \text{e} \; \boxed{a = 3}

Equação II:

a b + b = b 3 b = 0 b = 0 ab + b = b \\ 3b = 0 \\ \boxed{b = 0}

Portanto,

f ( x ) = 3 x f ( 17 ) = 3 17 f ( 17 ) = 51 f(x) = 3x \\ f(17) = 3 \cdot 17 \\ \boxed{\boxed{f(17) = 51}}

Por que você asumiu que a função é linear?

Calebe Alves - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Como assim assumi que a função é linear?! Considerei-a como sendo uma função afim. Note que b = 0 b = 0 .

Daniel Ferreira - 5 years, 2 months ago
Bill Bell
Jun 24, 2014

I made a trial exercise with a polynomial linear in 'x' and found that the same form arose as given in the problem. Then I used the following brute force.

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from sympy import *

x = symbols ('x')

f = Function ( 'f')

a,b=symbols('a b')

def f ( x ) :

    return a*x + b

result = (f(f(x)) - f(x)).expand()

print result

Benjamin Wong
Jun 19, 2014

f^2(x)=6x+f(x), so f^2-f-6=0, (f+2)(f-3)=0, f(x)=3x or =-2x rej by constraint

This solution is unfortunately incorrect. f ( f ( x ) f(f(x) does not always equal f 2 ( x ) , f^2(x), which is ( f ( x ) ) 2 . (f(x))^2.

Michael Tang - 6 years, 11 months ago

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Uh Michael... in this context the 2 ^2 on the f f means f f composed 2 2 times. Benjamin is correct.

Finn Hulse - 6 years, 11 months ago

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So how did he factorize?

Zakaria Sellami - 6 years, 11 months ago

Why not -34?

Jayakumar Krishnan - 6 years, 11 months ago
Meghanath Nayak
Jun 19, 2014

Take f(x) = 2x+x.

so f ( x ) = 3 x ? f(x)=3x ?

Adam Bachmann - 6 years, 10 months ago

f(x)= ax, so f(17)=3*17=51 :)

I was just basing on the choices.., or whatever

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