Probably L'Hospital

Calculus Level 4

Consider,
ψ ( a ) = a + a + a + \displaystyle \psi (a) = \sqrt{a + \sqrt{ a + \sqrt{ a + \dots }}} .

Evaluate: lim x 0 1 ψ ( 1 cos x ) 1 ψ ( x 2 ) \displaystyle \lim_{ x \to 0 } \frac{ 1 - \psi ( 1-\cos x ) }{ 1 - \psi (x^2) }


The answer is 0.5.

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4 solutions

Hasan Kassim
Sep 15, 2014

First we simplify ψ ( a ) \displaystyle \psi (a) :

ψ ( a ) = a + a + a + = a + ψ ( a ) \displaystyle \psi (a) = \sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\cdots}}} = \sqrt{a+\psi (a)}

= > [ ψ ( a ) ] 2 ψ ( a ) a = 0 \displaystyle => [\psi (a)]^2 - \psi (a) - a =0 , this is a quadratic equation can be solved easily : ψ ( a ) = 1 + 4 a + 1 2 \displaystyle \psi (a) = \frac{1+\sqrt{4a+1}}{2} (we took the positive value)*

Now we write our limit and rearrange it :

lim x 0 1 ψ ( 1 cos x ) 1 ψ ( x 2 ) = lim x 0 1 5 4 cos x 1 4 x 2 + 1 \displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1-\psi (1-\cos x)}{1-\psi (x^2)} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1-\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}{1-\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}

L'Hopital rule seems messy, so rewrite our limit as:

lim x 0 1 5 4 cos x 1 4 x 2 + 1 \displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1-\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}{1-\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}

= lim x 0 1 + 4 x 2 + 1 1 + 5 4 cos x 1 + 5 4 cos x 1 + 4 x 2 + 1 1 5 4 cos x 1 4 x 2 + 1 \displaystyle =\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1+\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}{1+\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}\frac{1+\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}{1+\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}\frac{1-\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}{1-\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}

= lim x 0 1 + 4 x 2 + 1 1 + 5 4 cos x × lim x 0 1 + 5 4 cos x 1 + 4 x 2 + 1 1 5 4 cos x 1 4 x 2 + 1 \displaystyle =\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1+\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}{1+\sqrt{5-4\cos x}} \times \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1+\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}{1+\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}\frac{1-\sqrt{5-4\cos x}}{1-\sqrt{4x^2 +1}}

= 2 2 lim x 0 1 ( 5 4 cos x ) 1 ( 4 x 2 + 1 ) = lim x 0 1 cos x x 2 = lim x 0 sin 2 x x 2 ( 1 + cos x ) \displaystyle = \frac{2}{2} \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1-(5-4\cos x)}{1-(4x^2+1)} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1-\cos x}{x^2} = \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin^2 x}{x^2(1+\cos x)}

= ( lim x 0 sin x x ) 2 lim x 0 ( 1 + cos x ) = 1 2 \displaystyle = \frac{(\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{\sin x}{x})^2}{\lim_{x \to 0} (1+\cos x)} =\boxed{ \frac{1}{2} }

  • I will justify here why I used the positive sign in the quadratic formula rather than the negative one:

Note that the domain of our ψ \psi is [ 0 , [ [0 , \infty [ . we know from the quadratic formula that ψ ( a ) = 1 + 4 a + 1 2 \psi (a) = \frac{1+\sqrt{4a+1}}{2} or ψ ( a ) = 1 4 a + 1 2 \psi (a) = \frac{1-\sqrt{4a+1}}{2}

Using the fact that ψ \psi is positive for all a a , we can't use \(\psi (a) = \frac{1-\sqrt{4a+1}}{2} unless a = 0 a=0 hence:

ψ ( a ) = 1 + 4 a + 1 2 \psi (a) = \frac{1+\sqrt{4a+1}}{2} If a ] 0 , [ a \in ]0,\infty [

and

ψ ( a ) = 1 ± 4 a + 1 2 \psi (a) = \frac{1 \pm \sqrt{4a+1}}{2} If a = 0 a = 0 .

What is we take minus sign of the function....in the question 'a' is tending to zero so if we take left hand limit we have to take -ve sign because the term inside root would be smaller than 1

Krishna Sharma - 6 years, 9 months ago

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You pointed out an important idea.. You said that if a a is negative then we should take the negative sign in the quadratic formula, but note that x x is tending to zero, not a a . I will edit my solution just for explaining why we used the positive sign, read it.

Hasan Kassim - 6 years, 9 months ago

If we directly put the x=0 in the equation we get the answer as one....where this has gone wrong??

Rahul Shete - 6 years, 8 months ago

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The function f(a) is not continuous at a = 0, although its limit exists = 1. So, you can't possibly directly substitute the values!

Saket Sharma - 6 years, 8 months ago

Well... Recall the definition of a continuous function: A function is continuous on interval I I If and only if lim x a f ( x ) = f ( a ) a I \lim_{x\to a} f(x) = f(a) \forall a\in I . I will prove now that ψ ( a ) \psi (a) is discontinuous at 0 0 .

Using our new expression of ψ \psi (reduced), we plug zero to get two values : ψ ( 0 ) = 0 \psi (0) =0 and ψ ( 0 ) = 1 \psi (0) =1 . Now to find the limit as a a tends to zero of ψ \psi , we should check both right and left handed limits:

lim a 0 + ψ ( a ) = 1 \lim_{a\to 0^+} \psi (a) = 1 (We used the expression of ψ \psi for the positive domain , see the last part of my solution)

lim a 0 ψ ( a ) = 0 \lim_{a\to 0^-} \psi (a) = 0 (We used the expression of ψ \psi for the negative domain)

This implies that the limit doesn't exist, from which we conclude that ψ \psi is discontinuous at zero , Thus we can't use direct substitution to evaluate this limit.

Hasan Kassim - 6 years, 8 months ago

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I am not sure, but if limit doesn't exist.. we shouldn't be able to evaluate limit! As I have explained above, limit does exist (each being equal to 1), but it is not equal to f(0) = 0. Therefore, as u rightly pointed out... it is not continuous at a = 0. Cheers.

Saket Sharma - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Saket Sharma If limit exists, prove it, or point out where is the mistake when I proved that it does not ( right handed and left handed limits don't exist)

You are right when you said that "if limit doesn't exist.. we shouldn't be able to evaluate limit!" , but note that the arguments of ψ \psi are positive hence we are evaluating the right handed limit which exists as 1 1 .

Hasan Kassim - 6 years, 8 months ago

L'hospital's isn't that messy in this case anyways!!

Kunal Gupta - 6 years, 8 months ago

whats the mistake in this the expression w(1- cosx) limit x tends to zero becomes o and similarly for x^2 o therefore ans 1

U Z - 6 years, 8 months ago

Why it has to be ( 1 4 a + 1 ) / 2 (1 - \sqrt{4a+1})/2 for (-1/4, 0)?? Why can't it be same as for (0, inf) ... ( 1 + 4 a + 1 ) / 2 (1 + \sqrt{4a+1})/2 ??

Isn't it possible that ( 1 4 a + 1 ) / 2 (1 - \sqrt{4a+1})/2 is a totally extraneous root which we obtained because of squaring??

Saket Sharma - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Well suppose that ψ ( a ) = 1 4 a + 1 2 \psi (a) = \frac{1-\sqrt{4a+1}}{2} for [ 0 , [ [0,\infty[

a > 0 = > 4 a + 1 > 1 = > ψ < 0 a>0 => \sqrt{4a+1} > 1 => \psi < 0 which is rejected.

Hasan Kassim - 6 years, 8 months ago

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I meant to ask about the other one.

For ( 0 , ) (0, \infty) , it's logical to choose +ve sign such that

ψ ( a ) = 1 + 1 + 4 a 2 \psi(a) = \frac{1 + \sqrt{1 + 4a}}{2} , a > 0 a > 0

But what makes you choose -ve sign for [ 1 4 , 0 ) [-\frac {1}{4}, 0) ?? Why don't we take the following? Any logic?

ψ ( a ) = 1 + 1 + 4 a 2 \psi(a) = \frac{1 + \sqrt{1 + 4a}}{2} , a ϵ [ 1 4 , 0 ) a \space \epsilon \space [-\frac {1}{4}, 0)

Further, yet another doubt has come to my mind: Is the function defined for a < 0??

Although it goes to \infty , still somewhere it would encounter root of a -ve number. So, it should NOT be defined for a < 0 at all.

Saket Sharma - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Saket Sharma Ahh yes it shouldn't be defined for negative arguments... Thanks for pointing out that, I will edits this fault :)

Hasan Kassim - 6 years, 8 months ago
John M.
Sep 29, 2014

Hold your horses for a moment.

N N N N . . . = N \boxed{\sqrt{N\sqrt{N\sqrt{N\sqrt{N...}}}}=N}

Proof:

N N N N . . . = N \sqrt{N\sqrt{N\sqrt{N\sqrt{N...}}}}=N

N N N N . . . = N 2 \Rightarrow N\sqrt{N\sqrt{N\sqrt{N...}}}=N^2

N N = N 2 \Rightarrow N\cdot N=N^2

N 2 = N 2 \Rightarrow \boxed{N^2=N^2} ,

N \forall N .


So,

ψ ( a ) = a \psi (a)=a .

Thus,

lim x 0 1 ψ ( 1 cos x ) 1 ψ ( x 2 ) = lim x 0 1 ( 1 cos x ) 1 x 2 = 1 ( 1 1 ) 1 0 2 = 1 \displaystyle\lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{\frac{1-\psi (1-\cos{x})}{1-\psi (x^2)}}=\displaystyle \lim_{x\rightarrow 0}{\frac{1- (1-\cos{x})}{1-x^2}=\frac{1- (1-1)}{1-0^2}}=\boxed{1}


What went wrong?

@hasan kassim

John M. - 6 years, 8 months ago

your identity holds if N N is multiplied by the next root sign, not when it is added to it.

That is, you can apply your identity if ψ ( a ) = a a a \psi(a) = \sqrt{a\sqrt{a\sqrt{a\cdots }}} , and our ψ \psi is a + a + a + \sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\sqrt{a+\cdots}}} .

Hasan Kassim - 6 years, 8 months ago

L-H rule as well as RATIONALIZE is a real pain .... use the approximation (1+x)^n=1+nx .........done in 2 steps :P

Mohit Kuri
Oct 29, 2014

Firstly I worked upon the root expression but later I found no use of it . I blindly use L'hosptal rule and find that is works . Thus answer is 0.5. :)

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