Radius is rational

Geometry Level 1

What is the radius of this circle?


The answer is 14.167.

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Add a point E E inside the circle so that A B C E ABCE is a rectangle. Adding this point gets us: A E = B C = 15 AE = BC = 15 , C E = A B = 12 CE = AB = 12 and since D C B = E C B = 90 ° \angle DCB = \angle ECB = 90° , D D , C C and E E are collinear which gets us: D E = C D + E C = 8 + 12 = 20 DE = CD + EC = 8 + 12 = 20 and A D = A E 2 + D E 2 = 25 AD = \sqrt{AE^2 + DE^2} = 25 . Also, B D = B C 2 + C D 2 = 17 BD = \sqrt{BC^2 + CD^2} = 17 .

Now, extend the line B C BC until it cuts the circle at point F F . Because A B F = A B C = 90 ° \angle ABF = \angle ABC = 90° , A F AF is the diameter of the circle ( A F = 2 R AF = 2R ). A B D F ABDF is a cyclic quadrilateral, so: A D F = A B F = 90 ° = B C D \angle ADF = \angle ABF = 90° = \angle BCD and D B F = D A F \angle DBF = \angle DAF . This yields that B C D \triangle BCD and A D F \triangle ADF are similar, so: A F A D = 2 R A D = B D B C \dfrac{AF}{AD} = \dfrac{2R}{AD} = \dfrac{BD}{BC} .

Finally, the radius of the circle is: R = A D B D 2 B C = 25 17 2 15 = 85 6 14.167 R = \dfrac{AD*BD}{2*BC} = \dfrac{25*17}{2*15} = \dfrac{85}{6} \boxed{\approx 14.167}

how do you know that AF goes through the center?

паша трололо - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Because the angle at B is 90°.

Hagen Leipprand - 2 years, 9 months ago

Ends of diameter subtends 90° at the circumference and diameter passes through the centre..

Unique Tutorials - 2 years, 9 months ago

ok, got it..)

паша трололо - 2 years, 9 months ago

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If you can not understand then how are you questining envious

Sanju Gupta - 2 years, 9 months ago

I think you mean "Now, extend the line BC until it cuts the circle at point F." ? Anyway, I appreciate the solution though! :)

Thảo Đường - 2 years, 9 months ago

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You're right, thanks!

Novak Radivojević - 2 years, 9 months ago

How do you came to conclusion that angle DBF and angle DAF are equal ? I dont understand this part, please clear me how you to know that these angles are equal to make use of similar triangle property

Shahzad Hassan - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Becuase they're inscribed angles constructed over the same chord - DF

Novak Radivojević - 2 years, 9 months ago

How do you get - Because ABF = ABC = 90°, AF is the diameter of the circle (AF = 2R). ?

Tomáš Hluska - 2 years, 9 months ago

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The hypotenuse of a right-angled triangle is the diameter of its circumcircle

Novak Radivojević - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Sure, but how does that make it egual to the diameter of the circle? How do you know that AF goes through O? And especially, how do you derive that from the fact that the two angles are right angles?

Tomáš Hluska - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Great solution 👍

Cruthbert Calculus - 2 years, 9 months ago

why is AF going thru the center?

Bammens Raf - 2 years, 9 months ago

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because ADF=90°

Cora Liu - 2 years, 9 months ago

I think It would be better to solve the question through general equation of circle.

Deepanshu Dhruw - 2 years, 9 months ago

(0,0), (0,-12), (15,8) are 3 points on the circle (x-p) ^2+(y-q)^2=R^2 or x^2-2px+p^2+y^2-2qy+q^2=R^2. This gives 2px+2qy+(R^2-p^2-q^2)=x^2+y^2. This needs to be true for all three points, hence: R^2-p^2-q^2=0,-24q=144 and 30p+16q=289. This immediately gives q=-6, p=77/6 and R=85/6.

Kris Hauchecorne - 2 years, 8 months ago

Why are the angles DBF and DAF equal?

Kostas Konstantinidis - 2 years, 4 months ago

I wrote 14.2 which is 3 significant digits but for some reason they wanted 3 digits after the decimal... 14.167...

MegaMoh . - 8 months, 4 weeks ago
Mikhail Komin
Sep 3, 2018

BC = 17, by Pythagorean theorem

AC = 25, by Pythagorean theorem ((AB+CD)^2 + BD^2 = AC^2)

The radius R of the circumcircle of triangle ABC with a given sides a,b,c is:

R = a b c ( a + b + c ) ( b + c a ) ( c + a b ) ( a + b c ) \frac{abc}{√(a+b+c)(b+c-a)(c+a-b)(a+b-c)} = 12 17 25 54 30 20 4 \frac{12*17*25}{√54*30*20*4} = 5100 360 \frac{5100}{360} =14 1 6 \frac{1}{6}

Here's a slightly easier use of that formula: once you notice that the blue segment can be seen as the triangle's height relative to the red side, you could write R = a b c 4 S R=\frac{abc}{4S} where S S is the triangle's area and can be obtained as half blue times red.

Steve Gualtieri - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Nice catch, Steve! Thanks.

Mikhail Komin - 2 years, 9 months ago

Very nice @Mikhail Komin , your solution is small and good! But, I didn't get the 2nd step, how AC= 25? I can get that by using pythagorous theorem for 2 triangles, but your solution to find AC, seems simple.. So, can anyone explain me that?

Prem Chebrolu - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Hello, Prem Chebrolu!

Imagine continuing segment AB upward to a new point B' such that B'BDC is a rectangle. => BB' = CD = 8 and BD=B'C=15

And now there right triangle AB'C with sides AB'=12+8 and B'C=15

I had to include the point B' in the picture.

Here is a screenshot of what I mean: http://prntscr.com/ku8fmw

Mikhail Komin - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Thankyou @Mikhail Komin , I understood that! Nice logic!

Prem Chebrolu - 2 years, 9 months ago
Kelvin Hong
Sep 2, 2018

We have to set B C = 12 , C D = 15 , D E = 8 , D F = x BC=12, CD=15, DE=8, DF=x , for similar triangle Δ D E G Δ C B G \Delta DEG\sim \Delta CBG , we have that G D C G = 8 12 = 2 3 \dfrac{GD}{CG}=\dfrac8{12}=\dfrac23

Hence G D = 6 , C G = 9 GD=6, CG=9 .

Also, there is a theorem stats that F G C G = E G G B FG\cdot CG=EG\cdot GB but I not sure about the name, hence 9 ( x + 6 ) = 150 x = 32 3 9(x+6)=150\rightarrow x=\dfrac{32}3

Then the diameter is 2 R 2R where R R stated as radius, so 4 R 2 = C F 2 + B C 2 4R^2=CF^2+BC^2

which give us R = 85 6 R=\boxed{\dfrac{85}{6}} .

The theorem whose name you didn't mention.. is called as Thale's Theorem.

Aaron Stone - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Wrong, this is an example of the AA Similarity Postulate.

Kacper Liskiewicz - 2 years, 9 months ago

This is Not Thales theorem, it comes from similarity.

Rudrayan Kundu - 2 years, 9 months ago

It is also a direct result of Power of a Point.

James Camacho - 2 years, 9 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersecting chords theorem

marc benito - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Marc, you might want to use backticks ( \tt{`} ) to enclose URLs that have formatting symbols in them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersecting_chords_theorem . ;-)

C . - 2 years, 9 months ago

There is a typo while applying Pythagorean theorem towards the end: it should be BC^2 instead of BF^2.

Saurabh Bansal - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Thanks, I have changed it.

Kelvin Hong - 2 years, 9 months ago
Binky Mh
Sep 3, 2018

r 2 = ( 15 r 2 6 2 ) 2 + 1 4 2 r^2=(15-\sqrt{r^2-6^2})^2+14^2 r 2 = ( 225 30 r 2 36 + ( r 2 36 ) ) + 196 r^2=(225-30\sqrt{r^2-36}+(r^2-36))+196 r 2 = 385 30 r 2 36 + r 2 r^2=385-30\sqrt{r^2-36}+r^2 30 r 2 36 = 385 30\sqrt{r^2-36}=385 r 2 = 385 30 2 + 36 = 7225 36 r^2=\frac{385}{30}^2+36=\frac{7225}{36} r = 7225 36 = 85 6 14.167 r=\sqrt{\frac{7225}{36}}=\frac{85}{6}\approx \boxed{14.167}

Good work, sir (or madam).

A wee bit of Pythagoras with a sprinkling of the (hidden) perpendicular bisector of a chord going through the centre of a circle.... Beautifully elegant and wonderfully done.

This knocks spots off the other solutions I have seen.

Roger Willis - 2 years, 9 months ago

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I appreciate your appreciation. It's always a pleasure to find right-angled triangles hidden in the midst of a problem.

Binky MH - 2 years, 9 months ago

I approached the puzzle in a similar way to you. I split the blue line that you have 'drawn' into two parts with the dividing point being immediately above the centre of the circle. Then called the part of this line to the left of the dividing point x - which you have calculated as squroot (r^2 - 6^2). Then using Pythagoras to come-up with 2 equations which are r^2 = x^2 + 6^2--------(1), and r^2 = (15 - x)^2 + 14^2. By eliminating r I get that x = 77/6. So from (1) r = 85/6. And then checking that this answer is correct by equation (2). But isn't it a nasty answer, though an interesting question. Couldn't the numbers have been manipulated so that a whole number would have been the radius (with reasonably small numbers, so not just multiplying by 6 to get the radius as 85? Kind regards, David

David Fairer - 2 years, 9 months ago

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I imagine non-integer solutions are used so often because it stops people from randomly guessing the correct answer.

Binky MH - 2 years, 9 months ago
Dong kwan Yoo
Sep 3, 2018

In circle , x 15 = 8 20 x * 15 = 8 * 20 , so x = 32 3 x = \dfrac{32}{ 3 }

and ( 2 R ) 2 = 1 2 2 + ( 15 + x ) 2 ( 2R)^2 = 12^2 + (15+x) ^2

So we can find R = 14.166666666666666666666666666667 R = 14.166666666666666666666666666667

What did you do that part x into 15 = 8 into 20 any logic or any mathematical principal behind that ?

Shahzad Hassan - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Because, in two chords of circle, we know " 15 * x = 8 * (12+8) "

Dong kwan Yoo - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Wow.. Thanks :)

Chris Yap - 2 years, 9 months ago

a theorem called intersecting chords theorem

MegaMoh . - 8 months, 4 weeks ago

Agree with Shahzad. What's the logic behind x × 15 = 8 × 20 ??? Kindly explain.

Akela Chana - 2 years, 9 months ago

I did it this way. Great

Jerry McKenzie - 2 years, 9 months ago

How did you get 8 in longer line segment ?

Aravind K - 2 years, 8 months ago

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By symmetry, it is equal to the 8 at the top

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 years, 8 months ago

This one was my solution. It seems the simplest

A Former Brilliant Member - 2 years, 8 months ago
Brian Moehring
Aug 26, 2018

Extend B C \overline{BC} to B C E \overline{BCE} where E E lies on the circle, and let P P denote the intersection of B C \overline{BC} and A D . \overline{AD}.

Then A B P , D C P \triangle{ABP}, \triangle{DCP} are similar right triangles, from which we can conclude B P = 9 , P C = 6 , A P = 15 , P D = 10 BP = 9, PC = 6, AP = 15, PD = 10

Now, using the power of the point P P , we see 150 = A P P D = B P P E = 9 ( 6 + C E ) C E = 32 3 150 = AP \cdot PD = BP \cdot PE = 9 \cdot (6+CE) \implies CE = \frac{32}{3}

Lastly, since A B E \triangle ABE is a right triangle inscribed in the given circle, its hypotenuse is a diameter of the circle, so the radius is 1 2 A E = 1 2 1 2 2 + ( 15 + 32 3 ) 2 = 1 2 ( 85 3 ) = 85 6 14.16667 \frac{1}{2}AE = \frac{1}{2}\sqrt{12^2 + \left(15 + \frac{32}{3}\right)^2} = \frac{1}{2}\left(\frac{85}{3}\right) = \frac{85}{6} \approx \boxed{14.16667}

Please see as follow chart, we could regard point A,B,C on cirle is to be define as X,Y coordinate ,for example we define O(x.y) is coordinate of the center of cirle Meanwhile the point A is (0,0) as Origin of coordinate system

Step 1: since OA = OB = OC = R then:

         x² + y² = ײ+ (y-12)²
         x² + y²  = (x-15)² +(y-29)²

Step 2: it is easy to Solve equations x = 77/6 y=6

Step 3: R**2 = x² + y²

R = 14.16666... - \

I think you used * for multiplication instead of the command \cdot. That's why some parts are marked with darker letters

Felipe Lorenzzon - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Your reply correct it precisely, I modified it above right now,actually I am not used to type in all kinds of arithmetic symbol with web editor by brillian:-) thanks for your attention!

丁大喵 by丁丁猫 - 2 years, 9 months ago
Edwin Gray
Aug 27, 2018

Let E be the mid-point of AB have coordinates (-x,0),the circle center O be (0,0), Then A is (-x,6) and D = (15 -x,14). Then r^2 = (OA)^2 = (OD)^2. So X^2 + 36 = (x - 15)^2 + 196, or 30x = 385, and x = 77/6. Then r^2 = (77/6)^2 + 36 = 7225/36, and r = 85/6 = 14.167. Ed Gray

I did it similar to Edwin’s. I chose point A as the origin (0,0). B as (0,12) and C as (15,20). I then wrote 3 equations of the circle using those points and solved them simultaneously for r.

jim izzolo - 2 years, 9 months ago

The centre of the circle lies at the intersection of axes A B AB and B C BC .

Let's start coordinate system in the middle of B C BC to simplify equation for q q , then:

p : y = 10 p: y=-10

q : y = 15 8 x q: y=-\frac{15}{8}x

\rightarrow S [ x = 16 3 , y = 10 ] S [x=\frac{16}{3}, y=-10]

r = B S = B E + E S = ( 7.5 + 16 3 , 4 10 ) = ( 7.5 + 16 3 ) 2 + ( 6 ) 2 r = |\vec{BS}| = |\vec{BE}+\vec{ES}| = |(7.5+\frac{16}{3}, 4-10)| = \sqrt{(7.5 + \frac{16}{3})^2 + (-6)^2} 14.167 \boxed{ \approx 14.167}

Yotam Kadish
Sep 6, 2018

Hope it's clear enough..

I just did this:

  1. The 12 cm line is centered, so I can find the center of the circle by dividing it in half.

    12 2 \frac{12}{2} = 6

  2. The 8 cm line added to the previous result create something similar to the radius of the circle.

    6+8 = 14

This isn't a exact method, but it works if you want to solve it quickly.

But why? Even though it is very close to the answer, it is not yet clear. I recommend you to read the article about writing mathematical texts available here on Brilliant

Felipe Lorenzzon - 2 years, 9 months ago
Frederick Rose
Sep 3, 2018

I USED ACAD

Hani Haddad
Sep 9, 2018

L e t a = B C , b = A C a n d c = A B , R t h e r a d i u s o f t h e c i r c l e a n d A i t s a r e a . W e h a v e R = a b c 4 A a = 8 ² + 15 ² = 17 b = 15 ² + 20 ² = 25 c = 12 L e t h = a + b + c 2 U s i n g t h e H e r o n o f a l e x a n d r i A = h ( h a ) ( h b ) ( h c ) = 90 T h e n R = 85 6 = 14.167 Let\quad a=BC,\quad b=AC\quad and\quad c=AB\quad ,R\quad the\quad radius\quad of\quad the\quad circle\quad and\quad A\quad its\quad area.\quad \\ We\quad have\quad R=\frac { abc }{ 4A } \quad \\ a=\sqrt { 8²+15² } =17\quad b=\sqrt { 15²+20² } =25\quad c=12\\ Let\quad h=\frac { a+b+c }{ 2 } \\ Using\quad the\quad Heron\quad of\quad alexandri\quad \\ A=\sqrt { h(h-a)(h-b)(h-c) } =90\\ Then\quad R=\frac { 85 }{ 6 } =14.167

Tino Band
Sep 6, 2018

The three points A, B and C fulfill the circle equation

( x x 0 ) 2 + ( y y 0 ) 2 = r 2 (x-x_0)^2+(y-y_0)^2=r^2

and A is the origin of the coordinate system. This leads to three equations:

(1) x 0 2 + y 0 2 = r 2 x_0^2+y_0^2=r^2

(2) x 0 2 + ( 12 y 0 ) 2 = r 2 x_0^2+(12-y_0)^2=r^2

(3) ( 15 x 0 ) 2 + ( 20 y 0 ) 2 = r 2 (15-x_0)^2+(20-y_0)^2=r^2 .

Solving this system gives the result: y 0 = 6 y_0=6 , x 0 = 77 6 x_0=\frac{77}{6} and r = 85 6 14.167 \boxed{r=\frac{85}{6} \approx 14.167} .

We have 3 points on the circle as (0,0) , (0,12) and (15,20). The circle's equation is (x-a)^2 + (y-b)^2 = r^2. Substituting for the 3 points, we get a^2 + b^2 = r^2 a^2 + (12-b)^2 = r^2 (15-a)^2 + (20-b)^2 = r^2 We can solve these for a = 77/6, b = 6. This yields r = sqrt(a^2+b^2) = 14.167

Felipe Lorenzzon
Sep 3, 2018

I made a solution using functions. The equation for a circle with radius r in cartesian plain is given by r 2 = ( x a ) 2 + ( y b ) 2 r^2=(x-a)^2+(y-b)^2 , where the values of a a and b b depend on the position of the circle retative to the plain.

We can choose any place to be the origin, so I'll put it on the spot marked on the image. The point (15,20) has its y value because the red and green lines are parallel (since the blue one is perpendicular to both) and add up to 20.

We can plug in the x and y values that appear on the circle in order to isolate a a x = 0 x=0 and y = 0 y=0

r 2 = ( 0 a ) 2 + ( 0 b ) 2 r^2=(0-a)^2+(0-b)^2

r 2 = a 2 + b 2 r^2=a^2+b^2

r 2 b 2 = a 2 r^2-b^2=a^2

Now, we can use x = 0 x=0 and y = 12 y=12 r 2 = a 2 + ( 12 b ) 2 r^2=a^2+(12-b)^2

We can substitute a 2 a^2 by the expression we found earlier: r 2 = r 2 b 2 + 144 24 b + b 2 r^2=r^2-b^2+144-24b+b^2

0 = 144 24 b 0=144-24b

b = 144 12 b=\frac{144}{12}

b = 6 b=6

Finally, we can use x = 15 x=15 and y = 20 y=20

r 2 = ( 15 a ) 2 + ( 20 6 ) 2 r^2=(15-a)^2+(20-6)^2

Using the first equation, we can substitute r r .

a 2 + 6 2 = 225 30 a + a 2 + 1 4 2 a^2+6^2=225-30a+a^2+14^2

30 a = 385 30a=385

a = 77 6 a=\frac {77}{6}

Finally, we use the first equation again to get: r 2 = ( 77 6 ) 2 + 6 2 r^2= ( \frac{77}{6})^2+6^2

r = s q r t ( 7225 36 ) r=sqrt( \frac{7225}{36})

r = 85 2 r=\frac {85}{2}

First we construct the lines i and j.

Then, we find i using the Pythagorean Theorem. i.e. i = s q r t ( 1 5 2 + 2 0 2 ) = 25 i=sqrt(15^2+20^2)=25

Angle α α can be calculated using the fact that t a n ( α ) = 8 / 15 tan(α)=8/15

We can see that 90 + α = δ / 2 = ( 360 β ) / 2 90+α=δ/2=(360-β)/2 , so β = 360 2 ( α + 90 ) β=360-2(α+90)

Knowing i i and angle β β we can determine the Radius.

Vinod Kumar
Sep 3, 2018

Using the figure, set up two equations for X and R

X^2+ (6)^2= R^2

(15-X)^2 + (14)^2 = R^2

Whose, solution gives value of R as Answer = (85/6)=14.167

Sharky Kesa
Sep 2, 2018

Let the red edge have vertices A B AB , the blue edge have vertices be B C BC , and the green vertices be C D CD . Suppose A = ( 0 , 12 ) A=(0,-12) , B = ( 0 , 0 ) B=(0,0) , C = ( 15 , 0 ) C=(15,0) , D = ( 15 , 8 ) D=(15,8) .

The centre of the circle through A B D ABD is the intersection of the perpendicular bisectors of A B AB and B D BD . The first bisector is simply y = 6 y=-6 . The second bisector is y = 15 8 x + 289 16 y = - \frac{15}{8} x + \frac{289}{16} by a quick calculation.

Thus, the centre of the circle is ( 77 6 , 6 ) (\frac{77}{6}, -6) , which is a distance of 85 6 \frac{85}{6} from B B . Thus, the radius is 85 6 \frac{85}{6} .

Ahmed Aljayashi
Feb 27, 2019

a = 12 , b = 15 , c = 8 a=12 , b=15 , c= 8
r = ( b 2 + c 2 ) ( ( a 2 + c 2 ) + b 2 ) 2 b = 85 6 = 14.1666 r =\frac{\sqrt{(b^{2}+c^{2})((a^{2}+c^{2})+b^{2})}}{2b}= \frac{85}{6} =14.1666

Tommy Moses
Sep 9, 2018

Half of 12 is 6, +8 is 14.

Meister Endlezz
Sep 9, 2018

Its much easier: Just take the half of the line with 12 and add the parallel line of 8, so you have 6 + 8 = 14

Matthew Wessler
Sep 7, 2018

William Andrews
Sep 6, 2018

AB is bisected by the equator of the circle. So, the bottom of the circle is a reflection of the top. 8+12+8=28=diameter Radius =0.5D R=14.0 to 3 sig figs which means the last digit is uncertain but is within a magnitude of the true number.

Hotdog123 King
Sep 5, 2018

I literally just guessed. I'm a flippin genius 😊

Richard Farrer
Sep 5, 2018

Apologies for lack of LateX but ...

Take the point where the 12 and 15 length points to be the origin. We have the 12 length line is a chord of the circle. Join the origin to the end of the length 8 line to form a second chord of the circle. The centre of the circle lies on a perpendicular bisector of the chord. Thus the centre of the circle lies at the intersection of the perpendicular bisectors of the chords we have defined.

The first chord is just defined as y = -6. For the other one, the chord has gradient 8/15 so the perpendicular bisector has gradient -15/8 and passes through (15/2, 4). Thus this line is defined by y = (-15/8)x + c and we solve for c by putting in the intersection point to get 4 = (-15/8)15/2 + c. This gives c = 289/16

Solving for the intersection of perpendicular bisectors gives y = -6 and -6 = (-15/8)x + 289/16 which gives x = 77/6.

The radius of the circle is then just the distance from this centre to the origin = sqrt(6^2 + (77/6)^2) = 85/6.

Vonyx Leung
Sep 5, 2018

(12+8+8)/2=14

Abraham Zhang
Sep 5, 2018

Lengths in the diagram were found using Pythagoras' Theorem. O \angle O was found using the inscribed angle theorem.

Use the law of cosines on A B C \triangle ABC :
1 7 2 = 1 2 2 + 2 5 2 2 12 25 cos α cos α = 4 5 \begin{aligned} 17^2 &= 12^2 + 25^2 - 2 \cdot12\cdot25 \cos \alpha \\ \cos\alpha &= \frac 45 \end{aligned}

Use the law of cosines on O A B \triangle OAB :
1 7 2 = 2 r 2 2 r 2 cos 2 α = 4 r 2 ( 1 cos 2 α ) r = 85 6 14.167 \begin{aligned} 17^2 &= 2r^2 - 2r^2 \cos 2\alpha \\ &= 4r^2 ( 1 - \cos ^2 \alpha ) \\ r &= \frac{85}6 \approx 14.167 \end{aligned}

Pierre Carrette
Sep 4, 2018

I just did some algebra. The center is at intersection between perpendiculars to middle points of segments AB and BD (from Novak's drawing). Let (0,0) be the middle point of segment AB. The perpendicular to middle point of segment AB is just the "y=0" line. The middle point of segment BD is (7.5,10), i.e. x=BC/2 and y=6+CD/2 where 6 is y-coordinate of B or C. The perpendicular to middle point of segment BD is y = -15/8*(x-15/2)+10 where the line slope is the opposite inverse of that of the segment BD. Then, the center is located at x=16/3+15/2 (and y=0). The radius is just the distance between the center and point B, i.e. sqrt(6^2 + (16/3+15/2)^2)=14.1667.

Sal Wolffs
Sep 4, 2018

Let's call the points given on the circle A , B , C A, B, C going clockwise from the bottom. We want to find the radius of the circle, which is the circumscribed circle of A B C \triangle ABC . This means we need to find the center, which we can find at the intersection of the perpendicular bisectors of a triangle. Let's add a coordinate system. Since we're not restricted in our choice of coordinates, we just pick a convenient one: let our X-axis be the perpendicular bisector of A B AB . Then A = ( 0 , 6 ) A=(0,-6) , B = ( 0 , 6 ) B=(0,6) , C = ( 15 , 14 ) C=(15,14) .

The midpoint D D of B C BC is ( 7.5 , 10 ) (7.5,10) , and the vector B D B-D is ( 7.5 , 4 ) (7.5,4) . Rotation by 90 degrees clockwise means swapping the coordinates and then negating the second, giving us a vector V = ( 4 , 7.5 ) V=(4,-7.5) . The points which can be expressed as D + t V D+t\cdot V for real numbers t t are precisely the points on the perpendicular bisector on B C BC (by anchor point D D being the midpoint and direction vector V V being perpendicular to B C BC ).

Since we want an intersection of two perpendicular bisectors, with our X-axis being one and the set of points given by D + t V D+t\cdot V (that is, ( 7.5 , 10 ) + t ( 4 , 7.5 ) (7.5,10) + t \cdot (4, -7.5) ) for real t t being another, let's find a t t which puts such a point on the X-axis. In other words, the second coordinate needs to be 0 0 .

10 + t ( 7.5 ) = 0 10 + t \cdot (-7.5) = 0 gives us t = 4 3 t =\frac{4}{3} . Calculating the first coordinate from that t t yields 7.5 + 4 3 4 = 12 5 6 7.5 + \frac{4}{3} \cdot 4 = 12 \frac{5}{6} . So our midpoint M M should be at ( 12 5 6 , 0 ) (12\frac{5}{6},0) . Calculate distances to B B and C C by Pythagoras (the distance to A A is equal to the distance to B B by symmetry across the X-axis), and check if they're the same: both work out to 14.16 6 14.16\overline{6} , so M M is indeed the midpoint of the circle and the distance found is the distance sought, which after rounding works out to 14.167 14.167 .

Juan F. Mantilla
Sep 4, 2018

8 + 12 + 8 = 28 ------> 28/2 = 14. The answer simplified.

Daniel Behar
Sep 4, 2018

The perpendicular bisector of a chord (the red line) passes through the center of the circle, a diameter. Half the red chord (6) plus the green line (8) is a radius = 14.

Vadim Gubaidulin
Sep 4, 2018

This can be solved just by introducing a coordinate frame with A(0, 0), than B(0, 12) and C(15, (12+8) ). Than the center of the circle has coordinate O ( x R , y R ) O(x_{R}, y_{R}) . We know that |OA| = |OB| = |OC|, i.e with the chosen coordinate frame: x R 2 + y R 2 = x R 2 + ( y R 12 ) 2 = ( x R 15 ) 2 + ( y R 20 ) 2 x_{R}^2+y_{R}^2 = x_{R}^2+(y_R-12)^2 = (x_R-15)^2+(y_R-20)^2 . From the first two equations we can see that y R = 6 y_R = 6 , and from the last two x R = 77 / 6 x_R = 77/6 .

Rocco Dalto
Sep 3, 2018

Using the points P P , Q Q , and R R on the circle above \implies

a 2 + b 2 = r 2 a^2 + b^2 = r^2

( 15 a ) 2 + ( 8 b ) 2 = r 2 (15 - a)^2 + (8 - b)^2 = r^2

a 2 + ( 12 + b ) 2 = r 2 a^2 + (12 + b)^2 = r^2

Solving the nonlinear system above we obtain:

b = 144 24 = 6 b = -\dfrac{144}{24} = -6 , a = 385 30 = 77 6 r 2 = 7225 36 = 8 5 2 6 2 r = 85 6 14.167 a = \dfrac{385}{30} = \dfrac{77}{6} \implies r^2 = \dfrac{7225}{36} = \dfrac{85^2}{6^2} \implies r = \dfrac{85}{6} \approx \boxed{14.167} .

For me using coordinate geometry is the simplest approach.

Jordan Taylor
Sep 3, 2018

Fermi estimation: 8+(12/2)=14

This is not an exact solution but gives a close approximation relying on the accuracy of the pictorial representation. Because the 12 length is a vertical and tangential line, half it's length partially makes up the total length of the radius. It is assumed that the 15 length line is horizontal because of the right angle with the 12 length, and the same is said for the 8 length being vertical.

It is discernable that the 8 length is not coincident with the center, but by adding it's length to half 12, we have a simple Fermi estimation that can be used to check against the results of trigonometric problem solving.

Again, 14 is not an exact answer for the radius, but it satisfies the margin of error.

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