Real roots are demanded!

Algebra Level 4

For some real number k k independent of x x , the polynomial f ( x ) = 2 x 3 9 x 2 + 12 x k f(x) = 2x^{3}-9x^2+12x-k have all real roots.

Given that m < k < n m<k<n , find the value of m n ( n m ) mn(n-m) .


The answer is 20.

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4 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Feb 19, 2015

First we need to find the local maximum and minimum values of f ( x ) f(x) concerned.

d d x f ( x ) = f ( x ) = 6 x 2 18 x + 12 \dfrac {d}{dx} f(x) = f'(x) = 6x^2-18x+12

f ( x ) = 0 x 2 3 x + 2 = ( x 1 ) ( x 2 ) = 0 x = 1 or 2 f'(x) = 0 \quad \Rightarrow x^2-3x+2 = (x-1)(x-2)=0\quad \Rightarrow x = 1 \text{ or } 2

{ f ( 1 ) = 2 ( 1 ) 9 ( 1 ) + 12 ( 1 ) k = 5 k f ( 2 ) = 2 ( 8 ) 9 ( 4 ) + 12 ( 2 ) k = 4 k \begin{cases} f(1) = 2(1)-9(1)+12(1)-k = 5-k \\ f(2) = 2(8)-9(4)+12(2)-k = 4-k \end{cases}

For all the three roots of f ( x ) f(x) to be real,

{ The maximum: 5 k > 0 k < 5 = n The minimum: 4 k < 0 k > 4 = m \begin{cases} \text{The maximum: } & 5-k > 0 & \Rightarrow k < 5 = n \\ \text{The minimum: } & 4-k < 0 & \Rightarrow k > 4 = m \end{cases}

m × n × ( n m ) = 4 × 5 × ( 5 4 ) = 20 \Rightarrow m\times n \times (n-m) = 4\times 5 \times (5-4) = \boxed{20}

Note that minimum value of f ( x ) f(x) is -\infty and maximum value of f ( x ) f(x) is + +\infty . So you should write local minima and local maxima in your solution.

Pranjal Jain - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Thanks for the corrections

Chew-Seong Cheong - 6 years, 3 months ago

First of all, this problem is overrated. Second of all, this shouldn't be an Algebra problem. It is a calculus problem on cubic root analysis. And I don't think there can be any algebraic solution to this problem.

Prasun Biswas - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Yes, there is an algebraic solution, check my solution :D

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Well, I shall still upvote your solution because only you presented an algebraic solution, albeit non-elegant in my opinion. No offense though. :D

Prasun Biswas - 6 years, 3 months ago

It is algebraic all right but I can never keep the formula for the discriminant for a cubic polynomial in mind. I bet you looked up on Wikipedia (or somewhere else) for the formula. :3

Prasun Biswas - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Prasun Biswas Hahaha no, I didn't look on Wikipedia, that's one of my favorite formulas I first learned :D

Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar - 6 years, 3 months ago

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@Alan Enrique Ontiveros Salazar Damn! You the real MVP, bro! :3

Prasun Biswas - 6 years, 3 months ago

Exactly the solution I expected!

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 3 months ago

small typing error in the solution.5-k>0,4-k<0

satyendra kumar - 6 years, 3 months ago

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Thanks for the corrections. I have edited it.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 6 years, 3 months ago

AWESOME SOLUTION!!!

Vaibhav Prasad - 6 years, 3 months ago

For a cubic equation a x 3 + b x 2 + c x + d = 0 ax^3+bx^2+cx+d=0 , its discriminant must be greater than 0 0 to have three distinct real roots, and it is:

Δ > 0 b 2 c 2 4 a c 3 4 b 3 d + 18 a b c d 27 a 2 d 2 > 0 ( 9 ) 2 ( 12 ) 2 4 ( 2 ) ( 12 ) 3 4 ( 9 ) 3 ( k ) + 18 ( 2 ) ( 9 ) ( 12 ) ( k ) 27 ( 2 ) 2 ( k ) 2 > 0 108 k 2 + 972 k 2160 > 0 108 ( k 2 + 9 k 20 ) > 0 k 2 + 9 k 20 > 0 ( k 4 ) ( k 5 ) > 0 4 < k < 5 \Delta>0 \\ b^2c^2-4ac^3-4b^3d+18abcd-27a^2d^2>0 \\ (-9)^2(12)^2-4(2)(12)^3-4(-9)^3(-k)+18(2)(-9)(12)(-k)-27(2)^2(-k)^2>0 \\ -108k^2+972k-2160>0 \\ 108(-k^2+9k-20)>0 \\ -k^2+9k-20>0 \\ -(k-4)(k-5)>0 \\ 4<k<5

Hence, m = 4 m=4 , n = 5 n=5 and m m ( n m ) = 20 mm(n-m)=\boxed{20} .

Roman Frago
Feb 19, 2015

f ( x ) = 2 x 3 9 x 2 + 12 x k f(x)=2x^3-9x^2+12x-k

f ( x ) = 6 x 2 18 x + 12 f'(x)=6x^2-18x+12 and at f ( x ) = 0 f('x)=0 , x=1,2. With f ( x ) f('x) having 2 real roots, f ( x ) f(x) has a minima and a maxima. For the function to have have real roots: the maxima should be above the x-axis and the minima below the x-axis, or the minima or the maxima lies on the x-axis. When either the minima or the maxima lies on the x-axis, it must be a repeated root.

Solving for k when f ( 2 ) = 0 f(2)=0 , k = 4 k=4 ; f ( 1 ) = 0 f(1)=0 , k = 5 k=5 . Thus, m = 4 m=4 and n = 5 n=5 . So m × n × ( n m ) = 20 m\times n\times(n-m)=20

Cool solution!

Harsh Shrivastava - 6 years, 3 months ago

Draw graph for 2x^3 - 9x^2 + 12x. You will observe that it intersects at 0 only. Local maximum at 5 and minimum at 4 is found to appear. If you decrease the 'y' value of this function by 5 you will get 2 repeating roots and 1 distinct root. If you decrease the 'y' value of this function by 4 you will get 2 repeating roots and 1 distinct again. But here the repeating roots will be greater than the distinct root. These are the critical cases. Hence k belongs to (4, 5) .

Excuse my non latex answer!!

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