Rectangle on a Cubic

Calculus Level 2

If a cubic equation has real zeroes ± p \pm p and 0, and its two horizontal tangent points and two non-zero x x -intercepts can be joined together to form a rectangle (as pictured), then the ratio of the rectangle’s larger side to its shorter side can be expressed as a + b c \frac{\sqrt{a} + \sqrt{b}}{c} , where a a , b b , and c c are square-free integers.

What is a + b + c ? a + b + c?


The answer is 10.

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5 solutions

Parth Sankhe
Nov 14, 2018

Cubic's equation becomes k ( x 3 p 2 x ) = 0 k(x^3-p^2x)=0 , where k is a constant.

The four points of the rectangle are the two roots and the points where derivative of the cubic = 0.

3 x 2 p 2 = 0 3x^2-p^2=0

x = ± p 3 x=±\frac {p}{√3}

After putting these x-coordinates in the expression we get the four points as ( p , 0 ) , ( p 3 , 2 p 3 k 3 3 ) , ( p , 0 ) , ( p 3 , 2 p 3 k 3 3 ) (p,0),(\frac {p}{√3},\frac {-2p^3k}{3√3}),(-p,0),(\frac {-p}{√3},\frac {2p^3k}{3√3})

Taking the slopes of any two adjacent sides and making their product = -1, we get p = ( 9 2 k 2 ) ¼ p=(\frac {9}{2k^2})^¼

The ratio asked for is the value of the slope of the line joining ( p , 0 ) (-p,0) and ( p 3 , 2 p 3 k 3 3 ) (\frac {-p}{√3},\frac {2p^3k}{3√3}) , which, after putting in the value of p p , comes out to be 6 + 2 2 \frac {√6+√2}{2}

its wrong...... the ratio will come out to be {(3)^(1/2) + 1}/3. and hence the solution to the question is 7. put p=1 and check it for yourself

Sarthak Baghel - 2 years, 6 months ago

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p p is not a variable here, we cant just set its value to anything, we determine after calculation that its 4. 5 ¼ 4.5^¼ . Theres only one value of p p for which the situation exists.

Parth Sankhe - 2 years, 6 months ago

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The question seems fairly general though. So maybe putting any value of 'p' should do the trick.

Sarthak Baghel - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Sarthak Baghel Its not general though, only one cubic exists which can give such a rectangle. You can try putting p=1 and joining all the corresponding points, they would not form a rectangle.

Parth Sankhe - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Parth Sankhe the cubic is y=kx(x^2-p^2), different values of k produce different values of p

David Dyer - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@David Dyer Yeah, but that wouldn't change the value of what is asked

Parth Sankhe - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Parth Sankhe true, but it does mean that we can find a value of k such that p=1

David Dyer - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@David Dyer True, that occurs at k = 3 2 k=\frac{3}{√2} . I will make a change to my solution, thanks.

Parth Sankhe - 2 years, 6 months ago

Ratio = slope. That would have saved a lot of work. I actually found the lengths. Using k was also smart. Interesting you never gave the value of p = 18 4 4 p=\sqrt[4]{\frac{18}{4}} . I may have to share my hard-way solution.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 6 months ago

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Thank you! The suggestion to use k k , however, was given to me by @David Dyer in the comments of this solution.

Parth Sankhe - 2 years, 6 months ago

You don't need to go into "the product of 2 gradients is -1". I did that too. Then I noticed that of course the highest semi-diagonal of the rectangle (origin to highest vertex of the rectangle) is of course p because all the semi-diagonals are equal! This makes a nice little Pythag triangle to find p.

Max Patrick - 2 years, 6 months ago
Rocco Dalto
Nov 26, 2018

m ( x ) = x ( x p ) ( x + p ) = x 3 p 2 x d m d x x = x 0 = 3 x 0 2 p 2 = 0 x 0 = p 3 m(x) = x(x - p)(x + p) = x^3 - p^2x \implies \dfrac{dm}{dx}|_{x = x_{0}} = 3x_{0}^2 - p^2 = 0 \implies x_{0} = \dfrac{p}{\sqrt{3}}

B : ( p 3 , 2 p 3 3 3 ) , D : ( p 3 , 2 p 3 3 3 ) B:(-\dfrac{p}{\sqrt{3}},\dfrac{2p^3}{3\sqrt{3}}), \:\ D:(\dfrac{p}{\sqrt{3}},-\dfrac{2p^3}{3\sqrt{3}})

A C = B D = 2 p = 2 p 3 3 9 + 4 p 4 27 = 9 + 4 p 4 p 4 = 9 2 p = ( 9 2 ) 1 4 AC = BD = 2p = \dfrac{2p}{3\sqrt{3}}\sqrt{9 + 4p^4} \implies 27 = 9 + 4p^4 \implies p^4 = \dfrac{9}{2} \implies p = (\dfrac{9}{2})^{\frac{1}{4}}

A B = 1 2 1 4 6 2 3 \implies AB = \dfrac{1}{2^{\frac{1}{4}}}\sqrt{6 - 2\sqrt{3}} \:\ and B C = 1 2 1 4 6 + 2 3 \:\ BC = \dfrac{1}{2^{\frac{1}{4}}}\sqrt{6 + 2\sqrt{3}}

B C A B = 3 + 1 2 = 6 + 2 2 = a + b c \implies \dfrac{BC}{AB} = \dfrac{\sqrt{3} + 1}{\sqrt{2}} = \dfrac{\sqrt{6} + \sqrt{2}}{2} = \dfrac{\sqrt{a} + \sqrt{b}}{c} \implies a + b + c = 10 a + b + c = \boxed{10} .

You expressed your solution wrong but you got the answer right. It's just a matter of slight changes on your equations to make your solution (not the answer) correct!

Don't get me wrong I am assuming you had the solution in your head already but you were not able to communicate the solution.

Gabriel Aliman - 2 years, 6 months ago

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I typed B C A C \dfrac{BC}{AC} although I used A B AB , not A C AC . Should have typed B C A B \dfrac{BC}{AB} .

Changed it to B C A B \dfrac{BC}{AB} .

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago

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thanks for changing it but that's not the only one wrong. the 'AC=BD...' is wrong too. One way you could do it is type AC=BD= sqrt(AB^2+BC^2) = ...(and it could simplify to)... 2p = [p/sqrt(3)] * [sqrt(8 + (8/9)*p^2)]

Hnece, p =(9/2)^0.25

-peace & cheers and... Have a Merry Christmas!

Gabriel Aliman - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Gabriel Aliman A B C D ABCD is given as a rectangle and the diagonals of a rectangle are congruent, so A C = B D AC = BD .

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Rocco Dalto that's not what I'm talking about. Yes they are equal, and you are right there. I'm talking about the equation. the equation is right from 'AC = BD = 2p' after that, the equation after it is wrong.

This is the part that I meant was wrong sir.
2p = 2p/[3sqrt(3)] * [sqrt(9 + 4*p^4)]

Gabriel Aliman - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Gabriel Aliman Oh it's right... SORRY sir ^^.

I had a different (perspective) way of solving it. Then I tested that solution by making sure it could simplify to p = (9/2)^0.25. And, it was right. May I know how you came up with this part of the equation: ' 2p/[3sqrt(3)] * [sqrt(9 + 4*p^4)]'?

Gabriel Aliman - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Gabriel Aliman Using B : ( p 3 , 2 p 3 3 3 ) , D : ( p 3 , 2 p 3 3 3 ) B:(-\dfrac{p}{\sqrt{3}},\dfrac{2p^3}{3\sqrt{3}}), \:\ D:(\dfrac{p}{\sqrt{3}},-\dfrac{2p^3}{3\sqrt{3}}) and adding some intermediate steps.

We need to find B D BD , where A C = 2 p AC = 2p .

A C = B D = 2 p = ( 2 p 3 ) 2 + ( 4 p 3 3 3 ) 2 = AC = BD = 2p = \sqrt{(\dfrac{2p}{\sqrt{3}})^2 + (\dfrac{4p^3}{3\sqrt{3}})^2} =

4 p 2 3 + 16 p 6 27 = 36 p 2 + 16 p 6 27 = \sqrt{\dfrac{4p^2}{3} + \dfrac{16p^6}{27}} = \sqrt{\dfrac{36p^2 + 16p^6}{27}} =

2 p 3 3 9 + 4 p 4 27 = 9 + 4 p 4 p 4 = 9 2 p = ( 9 2 ) 1 4 \dfrac{2p}{3\sqrt{3}}\sqrt{9 + 4p^4} \implies 27 = 9 + 4p^4 \implies p^4 = \dfrac{9}{2} \implies p = (\dfrac{9}{2})^{\frac{1}{4}}

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Rocco Dalto Oh okay sir. It turns out I misunderstood that part. -Thank you

Gabriel Aliman - 2 years, 6 months ago

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@Gabriel Aliman No problem.

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago

@Gabriel Aliman I rechecked it. My calculations are correct. If not, show me where the error occurred.

Rocco Dalto - 2 years, 6 months ago
K T
Nov 28, 2018

The polynomial must be f ( x ) = a ( x ) ( x p ) ( x + p ) = a x ( x 2 p 2 ) f(x)=a(x)(x-p)(x+p)=ax(x^2-p^2) Its derivative is f'(x)=a(3x^2-p^2), so its extremes are at x 1 = p 3 x_1= -\frac{p}{\sqrt{3}} and x 2 = p 3 x_2= \frac{p}{\sqrt{3}} . Without altering the problem, we may assume that a and p both are positive. The maximum value then is

y = f ( x 1 ) = 2 a 3 3 p 2 y=f(x_1)= \frac{2a}{3\sqrt{3}}p^2

The shape with the zeroes and extrema as its vertices is a parallelogram, in general. Divide up the part of the x-axis between -p and p at x 1 x_1 , into lengths

d = p p 3 d=p-\frac{p}{\sqrt{3}} and

e = p + p 3 e=p+\frac{p}{\sqrt{3}} Name the short and long sides of the parallelogram b and c.

We have two known rectangular triangles for which b 2 = d 2 + y 2 b^2=d^2+y^2 c 2 = e 2 + y 2 c^2=e^2+y^2 The condition for our parallelogram to be a rectangle now is

b 2 + c 2 = ( d + e ) 2 b^2+c^2=(d+e)^2 which rewrites into y 2 = d e y^2 = de

(Substituting the given expressions for y, d and e into this results in a = 3 p 2 a= \frac{3}{p\sqrt{2}} , but we won't even need this.)

Now we are ready to calculate the ratio c:b

c 2 b 2 = y 2 + e 2 y 2 + d 2 = 2 3 p 2 + ( 1 + 1 3 3 ) 2 p 2 2 3 p 2 + ( 1 1 3 3 ) 2 p 2 = 2 + ( 3 + 1 ) 2 2 + ( 3 1 ) 2 = 3 + 3 3 3 = 2 + 3 \frac{c^2}{b^2}=\frac{y^2+e^2}{y^2+d^2}=\frac{\frac{2}{3}p^2+(1+\frac{1}{3}\sqrt{3})^2p^2}{\frac{2}{3}p^2+(1-\frac{1}{3}\sqrt{3})^2p^2} = \frac{2+(\sqrt{3}+1)^2}{2+(\sqrt{3}-1)^2}=\frac{3+\sqrt{3}}{3-\sqrt{3}}=2+\sqrt{3} , so c b = 2 + 3 \frac{c}{b} = \sqrt{2+\sqrt{3}}

Note: From this point I will use a,b and c as in the problem.

We want this value 2 + 3 \sqrt{2+\sqrt{3}} in the form a + b c \frac{\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}}{c} , so we have to solve a + 2 a b + b c 2 = 2 + 3 \frac{a+2\sqrt{ab}+b}{c^2} = 2+\sqrt{3} which splits up into a + b = 2 c 2 a+b=2c^2 4 a b = 3 c 4 4ab=3c^4 From which it is clear that c has to be even. Try the smallest value c = 2 c=2 , then a + b = 8 a+b=8 and a b = 12 ab=12 , leading to a = 2 , b = 6 , c = 2 a=2, b=6,c=2 , which indeed is a solution, because it satisfies ( 2 + 6 2 ) 2 = 2 + 3 (\frac{\sqrt{2}+\sqrt{6}}{2})^2=2+\sqrt{3} . The requested answer then is a + b + c = 2 + 6 + 2 = 10 a+b+c=2+6+2=10 .

Vinod Kumar
Nov 26, 2018

Taking equation as y=x^3-(p^2)x, first determine,

p^2=3/√2

with condition of perpendicular lines, among three points {-p/√3, 2(p/√3)^3)}, {p,0} and {p/√3, -2(p/√3)^3}.

Now, determine the ratio of side lengths=(1/2)(√6+√2)

Answer=10

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