If a cubic equation has real zeroes ± p and 0, and its two horizontal tangent points and two non-zero x -intercepts can be joined together to form a rectangle (as pictured), then the ratio of the rectangle’s larger side to its shorter side can be expressed as c a + b , where a , b , and c are square-free integers.
What is a + b + c ?
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Cubic's equation becomes k ( x 3 − p 2 x ) = 0 , where k is a constant.
The four points of the rectangle are the two roots and the points where derivative of the cubic = 0.
3 x 2 − p 2 = 0
x = ± √ 3 p
After putting these x-coordinates in the expression we get the four points as ( p , 0 ) , ( √ 3 p , 3 √ 3 − 2 p 3 k ) , ( − p , 0 ) , ( √ 3 − p , 3 √ 3 2 p 3 k )
Taking the slopes of any two adjacent sides and making their product = -1, we get p = ( 2 k 2 9 ) ¼
The ratio asked for is the value of the slope of the line joining ( − p , 0 ) and ( √ 3 − p , 3 √ 3 2 p 3 k ) , which, after putting in the value of p , comes out to be 2 √ 6 + √ 2
its wrong...... the ratio will come out to be {(3)^(1/2) + 1}/3. and hence the solution to the question is 7. put p=1 and check it for yourself
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p is not a variable here, we cant just set its value to anything, we determine after calculation that its 4 . 5 ¼ . Theres only one value of p for which the situation exists.
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The question seems fairly general though. So maybe putting any value of 'p' should do the trick.
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@Sarthak Baghel – Its not general though, only one cubic exists which can give such a rectangle. You can try putting p=1 and joining all the corresponding points, they would not form a rectangle.
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@Parth Sankhe – the cubic is y=kx(x^2-p^2), different values of k produce different values of p
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@David Dyer – Yeah, but that wouldn't change the value of what is asked
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@Parth Sankhe – true, but it does mean that we can find a value of k such that p=1
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@David Dyer – True, that occurs at k = √ 2 3 . I will make a change to my solution, thanks.
Ratio = slope. That would have saved a lot of work. I actually found the lengths. Using k was also smart. Interesting you never gave the value of p = 4 4 1 8 . I may have to share my hard-way solution.
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Thank you! The suggestion to use k , however, was given to me by @David Dyer in the comments of this solution.
You don't need to go into "the product of 2 gradients is -1". I did that too. Then I noticed that of course the highest semi-diagonal of the rectangle (origin to highest vertex of the rectangle) is of course p because all the semi-diagonals are equal! This makes a nice little Pythag triangle to find p.
m ( x ) = x ( x − p ) ( x + p ) = x 3 − p 2 x ⟹ d x d m ∣ x = x 0 = 3 x 0 2 − p 2 = 0 ⟹ x 0 = 3 p
B : ( − 3 p , 3 3 2 p 3 ) , D : ( 3 p , − 3 3 2 p 3 )
A C = B D = 2 p = 3 3 2 p 9 + 4 p 4 ⟹ 2 7 = 9 + 4 p 4 ⟹ p 4 = 2 9 ⟹ p = ( 2 9 ) 4 1
⟹ A B = 2 4 1 1 6 − 2 3 and B C = 2 4 1 1 6 + 2 3
⟹ A B B C = 2 3 + 1 = 2 6 + 2 = c a + b ⟹ a + b + c = 1 0 .
You expressed your solution wrong but you got the answer right. It's just a matter of slight changes on your equations to make your solution (not the answer) correct!
Don't get me wrong I am assuming you had the solution in your head already but you were not able to communicate the solution.
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I typed A C B C although I used A B , not A C . Should have typed A B B C .
Changed it to A B B C .
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thanks for changing it but that's not the only one wrong. the 'AC=BD...' is wrong too. One way you could do it is type AC=BD= sqrt(AB^2+BC^2) = ...(and it could simplify to)... 2p = [p/sqrt(3)] * [sqrt(8 + (8/9)*p^2)]
Hnece, p =(9/2)^0.25
-peace & cheers and... Have a Merry Christmas!
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@Gabriel Aliman – A B C D is given as a rectangle and the diagonals of a rectangle are congruent, so A C = B D .
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@Rocco Dalto – that's not what I'm talking about. Yes they are equal, and you are right there. I'm talking about the equation. the equation is right from 'AC = BD = 2p' after that, the equation after it is wrong.
This is the part that I meant was wrong sir.
2p = 2p/[3sqrt(3)] * [sqrt(9 + 4*p^4)]
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@Gabriel Aliman – Oh it's right... SORRY sir ^^.
I had a different (perspective) way of solving it. Then I tested that solution by making sure it could simplify to p = (9/2)^0.25. And, it was right. May I know how you came up with this part of the equation: ' 2p/[3sqrt(3)] * [sqrt(9 + 4*p^4)]'?
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@Gabriel Aliman – Using B : ( − 3 p , 3 3 2 p 3 ) , D : ( 3 p , − 3 3 2 p 3 ) and adding some intermediate steps.
We need to find B D , where A C = 2 p .
A C = B D = 2 p = ( 3 2 p ) 2 + ( 3 3 4 p 3 ) 2 =
3 4 p 2 + 2 7 1 6 p 6 = 2 7 3 6 p 2 + 1 6 p 6 =
3 3 2 p 9 + 4 p 4 ⟹ 2 7 = 9 + 4 p 4 ⟹ p 4 = 2 9 ⟹ p = ( 2 9 ) 4 1
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@Rocco Dalto – Oh okay sir. It turns out I misunderstood that part. -Thank you
@Gabriel Aliman – I rechecked it. My calculations are correct. If not, show me where the error occurred.
The polynomial must be f ( x ) = a ( x ) ( x − p ) ( x + p ) = a x ( x 2 − p 2 ) Its derivative is f'(x)=a(3x^2-p^2), so its extremes are at x 1 = − 3 p and x 2 = 3 p . Without altering the problem, we may assume that a and p both are positive. The maximum value then is
y = f ( x 1 ) = 3 3 2 a p 2
The shape with the zeroes and extrema as its vertices is a parallelogram, in general. Divide up the part of the x-axis between -p and p at x 1 , into lengths
d = p − 3 p and
e = p + 3 p Name the short and long sides of the parallelogram b and c.
We have two known rectangular triangles for which b 2 = d 2 + y 2 c 2 = e 2 + y 2 The condition for our parallelogram to be a rectangle now is
b 2 + c 2 = ( d + e ) 2 which rewrites into y 2 = d e
(Substituting the given expressions for y, d and e into this results in a = p 2 3 , but we won't even need this.)
Now we are ready to calculate the ratio c:b
b 2 c 2 = y 2 + d 2 y 2 + e 2 = 3 2 p 2 + ( 1 − 3 1 3 ) 2 p 2 3 2 p 2 + ( 1 + 3 1 3 ) 2 p 2 = 2 + ( 3 − 1 ) 2 2 + ( 3 + 1 ) 2 = 3 − 3 3 + 3 = 2 + 3 , so b c = 2 + 3
Note: From this point I will use a,b and c as in the problem.
We want this value 2 + 3 in the form c a + b , so we have to solve c 2 a + 2 a b + b = 2 + 3 which splits up into a + b = 2 c 2 4 a b = 3 c 4 From which it is clear that c has to be even. Try the smallest value c = 2 , then a + b = 8 and a b = 1 2 , leading to a = 2 , b = 6 , c = 2 , which indeed is a solution, because it satisfies ( 2 2 + 6 ) 2 = 2 + 3 . The requested answer then is a + b + c = 2 + 6 + 2 = 1 0 .
Taking equation as y=x^3-(p^2)x, first determine,
p^2=3/√2
with condition of perpendicular lines, among three points {-p/√3, 2(p/√3)^3)}, {p,0} and {p/√3, -2(p/√3)^3}.
Now, determine the ratio of side lengths=(1/2)(√6+√2)
Answer=10
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