Consider the arrangement above. There are two solid uniform spheres which roll on a horizontal surface without slipping at all instants of time. Their centres are connected by a spring of stiffness K . One of the spheres has a mass m and the other has a mass of 3 m . Compute the angular frequency of oscillations of this system. The answer is of the form:
ω = b m a K
Here, a and b are positive coprime integers. Enter answer as a + b
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@Steven Chase I was eagerly waiting for this approach only.upvoted.Thanks . BTW how was your travelling journey?
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Thanks. I made it back in one piece, thankfully. I think the Lagrange way is much more convenient here. I wouldn't try to solve using Newton's equations
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@Steven Chase Yes I agree. I didn't understand the meaning of “ I made it back in one piece"
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@Talulah Riley – It means I made it back safely
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@Steven Chase – @Steven Chase Yeah That's good.
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@Talulah Riley – @Talulah Riley It's another English expression. You'll get used to common phrases if you live in an English-speaking country; btw I heard the US is really bad at the moment with COVID and everything.
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@Krishna Karthik – @Krishna Karthik Yeah Bro . Hope Steven sir will be safe.
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@Talulah Riley – What was the trip you mentioned? Was it a work trip?
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@Krishna Karthik – @Krishna Karthik No bro. He just returned from his honeymoon trip, last week he got married.
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@Talulah Riley – Woahhhhhhhh
Kinda unlucky tho that he got wedded in COVID, but good on him.
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I am joking bro. Ha ha :)
Why would he will tell me if in case he will get married.
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if he get hurts.
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@Talulah Riley – Wtf bro
That was a bit gnarly. Stop joking like this lol.
Can't we solve without lagrange , using newtons laws only.
Thanks for the solution. I was not familiar with the notion of 'reduced inertia' as well, until today. It is a convenient shortcut technique to solve a coupled oscillation problem of this kind.
Nice problem. Thanks for inspiration
@Karan Chatrath I predicted you are asking for α + β .
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Thanks for pointing this out. Instead of using the result of 'reduced' mass and inertia, try to derive it.
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@Karan Chatrath I don't know how to prove it. By the way if you don't mind, why you didn't upvoted my solution, that is very rude. I have almost upvoted your 50 solution :(
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@Talulah Riley – Try to arrive at the 'reduced' mass and inertia expressions using first principles, instead of using a result. That is the objective of this question. It would be an insightful exercise.
And worry less about what others think of your solutions. I do not have to upvote your solution, and you do not have to upvote mine. Upvote solutions when you find them insightful. For example, when I recently posted a completely code-based solution, you still upvoted it, despite you not preferring numerical solutions. You did not have to, and I would not feel bad if you did not upvote.
I like problems being approached using first principles. Formulas and results are essentially shortcuts to circumvent critical thought.
@Karan Chatrath are you in touch with Fluid Dynamics?
@Karan Chatrath I will post question if you will say yes and will try to post solution?
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I enjoy trying the problems that you post. I do not know if I will get it right, but I will try it when I can. And yes, please post problems on fluids too. It is not my strongest subject, though.
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@Karan Chatrath And about Elasticity, young modulus. Optics, Thermodynamics , in these topic, in which you are most comfortable??
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@Talulah Riley – Yes, please share problems on any topic. If I have an idea, I will try
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I have uploaded 3 new problem of Thermodynamics..
And thermodynamics is one of my favourite subject.
Please show some interest and post your solution also.
And I recommend you to take a revision in the topics of thermo if you are facing bit difficulty in solving the problems.
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@Talulah Riley – Hi. Thanks for posting the thermo problems. I do find them difficult. I will take you up on your recommendation and go through my basics when I can. In the meantime, please post the solutions to those problems. If I cannot solve them, at least I can refer to your solution and learn, later.
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I'm actually not familiar with "reduced inertia". I just followed a standard approach to solve.
m 1 = m m 2 = 3 m
Accounting for two translational kinetic energy terms, two rotational kinetic energy terms, and the spring potential energy, we have the following Lagrangian.
L = 1 0 7 m 1 x ˙ 1 2 + 1 0 7 m 2 x ˙ 2 2 − 2 1 k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 ) 2
Evaluating the Euler Lagrange equations results in:
5 7 m 1 x ¨ 1 = k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 ) 5 7 m 2 x ¨ 2 = − k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 )
Substituting for the masses:
5 7 m x ¨ 1 = k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 ) 5 2 1 m x ¨ 2 = − k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 )
Let D = x 2 − x 1 . I want to write a differential equation in D , so multiply the first equation by 3 .
5 2 1 m x ¨ 1 = 3 k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 ) 5 2 1 m x ¨ 2 = − k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 )
Now combine:
5 2 1 m ( x ¨ 2 − x ¨ 1 ) = − 4 k ( x 2 − x 1 − ℓ 0 ) 5 2 1 m D ¨ = − 4 k ( D − ℓ 0 )
The oscillation comes from the homogeneous equation:
5 2 1 m D ¨ = − 4 k D D ¨ = − 2 1 m 2 0 k D
The angular frequency is therefore:
ω = 2 1 m 2 0 k