'Reduced' Inertia

Consider the arrangement above. There are two solid uniform spheres which roll on a horizontal surface without slipping at all instants of time. Their centres are connected by a spring of stiffness K K . One of the spheres has a mass m m and the other has a mass of 3 m 3m . Compute the angular frequency of oscillations of this system. The answer is of the form:

ω = a K b m \omega = \sqrt{\frac{aK}{bm}}

Here, a a and b b are positive coprime integers. Enter answer as a + b a+b

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2 solutions

Steven Chase
Oct 11, 2020

I'm actually not familiar with "reduced inertia". I just followed a standard approach to solve.

m 1 = m m 2 = 3 m m_1 = m \\ m_2 = 3 m

Accounting for two translational kinetic energy terms, two rotational kinetic energy terms, and the spring potential energy, we have the following Lagrangian.

L = 7 10 m 1 x ˙ 1 2 + 7 10 m 2 x ˙ 2 2 1 2 k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) 2 L = \frac{7}{10} m_1 \dot{x}_1^2 + \frac{7}{10} m_2 \dot{x}_2^2 - \frac{1}{2} k (x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0)^2

Evaluating the Euler Lagrange equations results in:

7 5 m 1 x ¨ 1 = k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) 7 5 m 2 x ¨ 2 = k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) \frac{7}{5} m_1 \ddot{x}_1 = k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0) \\ \frac{7}{5} m_2 \ddot{x}_2 = -k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0)

Substituting for the masses:

7 5 m x ¨ 1 = k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) 21 5 m x ¨ 2 = k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) \frac{7}{5} m \ddot{x}_1 = k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0) \\ \frac{21}{5} m \ddot{x}_2 = -k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0)

Let D = x 2 x 1 D = x_2 - x_1 . I want to write a differential equation in D D , so multiply the first equation by 3 3 .

21 5 m x ¨ 1 = 3 k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) 21 5 m x ¨ 2 = k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) \frac{21}{5} m \ddot{x}_1 = 3k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0) \\ \frac{21}{5} m \ddot{x}_2 = -k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0)

Now combine:

21 5 m ( x ¨ 2 x ¨ 1 ) = 4 k ( x 2 x 1 0 ) 21 5 m D ¨ = 4 k ( D 0 ) \frac{21}{5} m (\ddot{x}_2 - \ddot{x}_1) = -4k(x_2 - x_1 - \ell_0) \\ \frac{21}{5} m \ddot{D} = -4k(D - \ell_0)

The oscillation comes from the homogeneous equation:

21 5 m D ¨ = 4 k D D ¨ = 20 k 21 m D \frac{21}{5} m \ddot{D} = -4k D \\ \ddot{D} = - \frac{20 k}{21 m} D

The angular frequency is therefore:

ω = 20 k 21 m \omega = \sqrt{\frac{20 k}{21 m}}

@Steven Chase I was eagerly waiting for this approach only.upvoted.Thanks . BTW how was your travelling journey?

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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Thanks. I made it back in one piece, thankfully. I think the Lagrange way is much more convenient here. I wouldn't try to solve using Newton's equations

Steven Chase - 8 months ago

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@Steven Chase Yes I agree. I didn't understand the meaning of “ I made it back in one piece"

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley It means I made it back safely

Steven Chase - 8 months ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase Yeah That's good.

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley @Talulah Riley It's another English expression. You'll get used to common phrases if you live in an English-speaking country; btw I heard the US is really bad at the moment with COVID and everything.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months ago

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@Krishna Karthik @Krishna Karthik Yeah Bro . Hope Steven sir will be safe.

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley What was the trip you mentioned? Was it a work trip?

Krishna Karthik - 8 months ago

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@Krishna Karthik @Krishna Karthik No bro. He just returned from his honeymoon trip, last week he got married.

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley Woahhhhhhhh

Kinda unlucky tho that he got wedded in COVID, but good on him.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months ago

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@Krishna Karthik @Krishna Karthik I am joking bro. Ha ha :) Why would he will tell me if in case he will get married.
Sorry to @Steven Chase if he get hurts.

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley Wtf bro

That was a bit gnarly. Stop joking like this lol.

Krishna Karthik - 8 months ago

Can't we solve without lagrange , using newtons laws only.

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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That is possible. Try doing so.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago

Thanks for the solution. I was not familiar with the notion of 'reduced inertia' as well, until today. It is a convenient shortcut technique to solve a coupled oscillation problem of this kind.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago
Talulah Riley
Oct 11, 2020

Nice problem. Thanks for inspiration

@Karan Chatrath I predicted you are asking for α + β \alpha+\beta .

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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Thanks for pointing this out. Instead of using the result of 'reduced' mass and inertia, try to derive it.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago

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@Karan Chatrath I don't know how to prove it. By the way if you don't mind, why you didn't upvoted my solution, that is very rude. I have almost upvoted your 50 solution :(

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley Try to arrive at the 'reduced' mass and inertia expressions using first principles, instead of using a result. That is the objective of this question. It would be an insightful exercise.

And worry less about what others think of your solutions. I do not have to upvote your solution, and you do not have to upvote mine. Upvote solutions when you find them insightful. For example, when I recently posted a completely code-based solution, you still upvoted it, despite you not preferring numerical solutions. You did not have to, and I would not feel bad if you did not upvote.

I like problems being approached using first principles. Formulas and results are essentially shortcuts to circumvent critical thought.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago

@Karan Chatrath are you in touch with Fluid Dynamics?

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

@Karan Chatrath I will post question if you will say yes and will try to post solution?

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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I enjoy trying the problems that you post. I do not know if I will get it right, but I will try it when I can. And yes, please post problems on fluids too. It is not my strongest subject, though.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago

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@Karan Chatrath And about Elasticity, young modulus. Optics, Thermodynamics , in these topic, in which you are most comfortable??

Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley Yes, please share problems on any topic. If I have an idea, I will try

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath I have uploaded 3 new problem of Thermodynamics..
And thermodynamics is one of my favourite subject.
Please show some interest and post your solution also.
And I recommend you to take a revision in the topics of thermo if you are facing bit difficulty in solving the problems.


Talulah Riley - 8 months ago

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@Talulah Riley Hi. Thanks for posting the thermo problems. I do find them difficult. I will take you up on your recommendation and go through my basics when I can. In the meantime, please post the solutions to those problems. If I cannot solve them, at least I can refer to your solution and learn, later.

Karan Chatrath - 8 months ago

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