Reminds me of British Flag Theorem

Geometry Level 2

For the square A B C D ABCD with side length 4 units, denote P P be a point on its incircle.

Compute P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 PA^2+PB^2+PC^2+PD^2 .


The answer is 48.

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9 solutions

Shaun Leong
Dec 17, 2015

https://www.geogebra.org/

By Pythagorean Theorem, P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 = 2 ( P L 2 + P K 2 + P M 2 + P J 2 ) PA^2+PB^2+PC^2+PD^2 = 2(PL^2+PK^2+PM^2+PJ^2) Let PL = 2+x, PK = 2-x, PM = 2-y and PJ = 2+y.

Hence the required answer is 2 ( ( 2 + x ) 2 + ( 2 x ) 2 + ( 2 + y ) 2 + ( 2 y ) 2 ) 2((2+x)^2+(2-x)^2+(2+y)^2+(2-y)^2) = 2 ( 2 ( x 2 + y 2 ) + 16 ) = 2(2(x^2+y^2)+16) = 48 = \boxed{48}

The last step follows from x 2 + y 2 = 4 x^2+y^2=4

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Great approach showing why this is constant for all points on the incircle.

Akshat Sharda
Dec 17, 2015

I did it by the assumption that the point P P lies on the point where one of the sides (Let's take A B AB ) is tangent to the incircle.

P A = P B = 2 \therefore PA=PB=2 and

P C = P D = 2 5 PC=PD=2\sqrt{5}

Therefore,

P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 PA^2+PB^2+PC^2+PD^2

2 ( ( 2 ) 2 ) + 2 ( ( 2 5 ) 2 ) 2((2)^2)+2((2\sqrt{5})^2)

8 + 40 = 48 8+40=\boxed{48}

I did a very similar problem just now. One solution used that assumption too for that question, but I think we must prove that it is constant for any point if we want to use that assumption.

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 5 months ago

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I wonder if the question could be phrased such that the easiest solution isn't the route taken. I "cheated" too, knowing that it would be a constant but without proving it.

Ken Hodson - 5 years, 5 months ago

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Yeah, like they could add, exactly as Anupam said: "...and prove that this holds true for any point on the incircle" or something.

Caleb Hanger - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Caleb Hanger But the answer bar only required a number. I'm aware of what Anupam said. I was asking if there was a way to assert the problem to not have the answer focus on the easy.

Ken Hodson - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Ken Hodson Don't make it clear that the required answer is constant. IMO something like "Find the minimum value of P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 PA^2 + PB^2 + PC^2 + PD^2 " would suffice.

Mehul Gajwani - 5 years, 5 months ago

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@Mehul Gajwani Yes, that will be better.

Anupam Nayak - 5 years, 5 months ago

That assumption (the constancy) is implied by the question and set of answers -- if it has to be one of the answers, then it can't depend on where on the circle P is.

Paul Alberti-Strait - 5 years, 5 months ago

Same way :)

Akhil Bansal - 5 years, 5 months ago

Exact same way!

Yashas Anilkumar - 5 years, 5 months ago

I didn't know the P point was only supposed to be on the diameter of the circle, I was assuming any part of the circle, like the exact middle. If that were the case, the answer would be 32. The wording is confusing.

Omar Alor - 5 years, 5 months ago

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You are confused. It isn't supposed to be on the diameter -- only the two points at each end of the diameter are actually on the circle. I think the word you are looking for is perimeter -- that's what a circle is defined to be. The question says a point "on its incircle," which is the 360 degree curved line on the inside of the square that touches the square at exactly four points and which has a diameter equal to the square's side length.

Paul Alberti-Strait - 5 years, 5 months ago

It's a good approach ...but it can't be treated as a proof ..

Tarit Goswami - 4 years, 5 months ago

Good for competitive exams with MCQ questions.

Prayas Rautray - 3 years, 8 months ago
Ryan Creedon
Dec 30, 2015

Establish a coordinate system with the origin at the center of the square. Parameterize point P on the circle as 2 × ( cos t , sin t ) 2 \times ( \cos t, \sin t) . Let A be (-2, 2), B be (2, 2), C be (-2, -2), and D be (2, -2). One can quickly show the following:

P A 2 = 4 × ( ( cos t + 1 ) 2 + ( sin t 1 ) 2 ) PA^{2} = 4 \times ( (\cos t + 1)^{2} +(\sin t - 1)^2)

P B 2 = 4 × ( ( cos t 1 ) 2 + ( sin t 1 ) 2 ) PB^{2} = 4 \times ( (\cos t - 1)^{2} +(\sin t - 1)^2)

P C 2 = 4 × ( ( cos t + 1 ) 2 + ( sin t + 1 ) 2 ) PC^{2} = 4 \times ( (\cos t + 1)^{2} +(\sin t +1)^2)

P D 2 = 4 × ( ( cos t 1 ) 2 + ( sin t + 1 ) 2 ) PD^{2} = 4 \times ( (\cos t - 1)^{2} +(\sin t + 1)^2)

Sum the squares, expand the binomials, and use the identity sin 2 t + cos 2 t = 1 \sin^{2} t + \cos^{2} t = 1 to show P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 = 48 PA^{2} + PB^{2} + PC^{2} + PD^{2} = 48 .

This method also shows the invariance property of P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 PA^{2} + PB^{2} + PC^{2} + PD^{2} .

Bob Kadylo
Jan 3, 2016

While doing this problem, I developed a general solution that for any side length, S, for the square ABCD the answer will be 3 S 2 3*S^2 . In this case, 3 ( 4 ) 2 = 48 3*(4)^2 = 48 . If the side length was a product of Euler's Number, e, with the number p i pi , then the answer would be 218.7811818 218.7811818

Treat this information as a further challenge while I continue to learn LaTeX so in the future I could publish my work on Brilliant.

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Yes, that's the general case. How can we show it?

From the wording of the problem , the answer should be the same NO MATTER which point P on the circle is chosen So, if we select the point P on the tangent point, at the mid -point of one of the square sides, then if x denotes 1/2 of the square side length = 2 units, and we apply the Pythagorean Theorem solving for the hypotenese twice and then add x.x + x.x we get a total for the sum of the indicated squares 12 .x.x= (12) (2)(2)= 48

Siva Meesala
Dec 18, 2015

The solution is very easy when we take P is on square and circle .then PA^2+PB^2+PC^2+PD^2 =2^2+2^2+(4^2+2^2)+(4^2+2^2) =48.

Samarth Kapoor
Jan 1, 2016

I solved it using the parallel axis theorem to calculate moment of inertia. We can assume that there is some arbitrary mass 'm' at each corner of the square (A,B,C and D). Then we can use parallel axis theorem to evaluate moment of inertia of the system at P which is given as m(PA^2)+m(PB^2)+m(PC^2)+m(PD^2)=4m(PG^2)+m(GA^2)+m(GB^2)+m(GC^2)+m(GD^2) We know that PG=2 and GA=GB=GC=GD=sqrt(8). Hence the solution. I wonder if the question could have been framed in a way so that it would have been classified as a difficult one.

Prasit Sarapee
Dec 30, 2015

AP^2=AC^2+CP^2 = 4^2+2^2 = 20 = BP^2
CP^2=DP^2=2^2=4
AP^2+BP^2+CP^2+DP^2 = 20+20+4+4=48

Eduard Stoleru
Dec 29, 2015

British Flag Theorem says that P A 2 + P C 2 = P B 2 + P D 2 PA^{2} + PC^{2}=PB^{2} + PD^{2} . Then P A 2 + P B 2 + P C 2 + P D 2 = 2 × ( P A 2 + P C 2 ) PA^{2} + PB^{2} + PC^{2} + PD^{2} = 2 \times (PA^{2} + PC^{2}) . Let's say O is the center of the inner circle of the square. Applying Apollonius' theorem, we have for the triangle PAC and the median PO the following relation: P A 2 + P C 2 = 2 × ( P O 2 + A O 2 ) PA^{2} + PC^{2} = 2 \times (PO^{2} + AO^{2}) . P O = 2 PO=2 as half of the side length of the square and A O = 2 2 AO = 2 \sqrt{2} (using Pythagoras' Theorem). Then our sum is 2 × 2 × ( 2 2 + ( 2 2 ) 2 ) = 48 2 \times 2 \times (2^{2} + (2\sqrt{2}) ^ {2})=48

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