Ridiculous Trigonometric Equation

Geometry Level 3

Find the sum of all θ \theta such that sin 8 θ + cos 8 θ = 17 32 where 0 θ π . \sin ^8 {\theta} + \cos ^8 {\theta} = \frac{17}{32} \quad \text{where } 0 \leq \theta \leq \pi.


The answer is 6.283185307179586.

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Aditya Raut
Oct 14, 2014

For simplicity, sin θ = s \sin \theta = s and cos θ = c \cos \theta=c

s 8 + c 8 = 17 32 s^8+c^8 = \dfrac{17}{32}

We know that s 2 + c 2 = 1 s^2+c^2=1 , so raising to power 4 4 on both sides,

s 8 + 4 s 6 c 2 + 6 s 4 c 4 + 4 s 2 c 6 + c 8 = 1 \therefore s^8+4s^6c^2 + 6s^4c^4 + 4s^2c^6 + c^8=1

17 32 + 4 s 2 c 2 ( s 4 + c 4 ) + 6 s 4 c 4 = 1 \therefore\dfrac{17}{32} + 4s^2c^2(s^4+c^4) + 6s^4c^4 = 1

4 s 2 c 2 ( 1 2 s 2 c 2 ) + 6 s 4 c 4 = 1 17 32 \therefore 4s^2c^2(1-2s^2c^2) + 6s^4c^4 =1-\dfrac{17}{32}

4 s 2 c 2 2 s 4 c 4 = 15 32 \therefore 4s^2c^2 - 2s^4c^4 = \dfrac{15}{32}

s 4 c 4 2 s 2 c 2 + 15 64 = 0 \therefore s^4c^4-2s^2c^2+ \dfrac{15}{64}=0


This has roots s 2 c 2 = 2 ± 4 15 16 2 = 2 ± 7 4 2 = 15 8 or 1 8 s^2c^2= \dfrac{2 \pm \sqrt{ 4 - \frac{15}{16}}}{2} = \dfrac{2\pm \frac{7}{4}}{2} = \dfrac{15}{8} \text{ or } \dfrac{1}{8}

Thus s c = ± 15 8 or ± 1 8 sc = \pm\sqrt{\dfrac{15}{8}} \text{ or } \pm\sqrt{\dfrac{1}{8}}


We discard 15 8 \dfrac{15}{8} because s c 1 2 sc \leq \dfrac{1}{2} always.

proof :- ( s c ) 2 0 s 2 + c 2 2 s c 0 1 2 s c s c 1 2 (s-c)^2 \geq 0 \implies s^2+c^2-2sc \geq 0 \implies 1\geq 2sc \implies sc\leq \frac{1}{2}


This gives sin ( 2 θ ) = 2 s c = ± 2 × 1 2 2 = ± 1 2 \sin( 2 \theta) = 2sc = \pm 2\times \dfrac{1}{2\sqrt{2}} =\pm \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}}

Thus sin 2 θ = sin π 4 \sin 2\theta = \sin \frac{\pi}{4} or sin 2 θ = sin π 4 \sin 2\theta = \sin \frac{-\pi}{4}

From this we obtain the general solution

2 θ = n π ± π 4 2\theta = n \pi \pm \frac{\pi}{4}

And because of the sin 8 \sin ^8 and cos 8 \cos^8 type of terms, we notice that this could simply be extended to θ = n π 2 ± π 8 \displaystyle\theta = \dfrac{n\pi}{2} \pm \dfrac{\pi}{8}


The solutions of this in the interval 0 θ π 0\leq \theta \leq \pi are π 8 , 3 π 8 , 5 π 8 , 7 π 8 \dfrac{\pi}{8} , \dfrac{3\pi}{8} , \dfrac{5\pi}{8} , \dfrac{7\pi}{8}

Their sum is 2 π 6.2831 2 \pi \approx \boxed{6.2831}

Superb. Still i wanna share another (short) way. Let one value be θ \theta that satisfies the given equation. The other values in [ 0 , π ] [0,\pi] which will satisfy will be π 2 θ , π 2 + θ , π θ \large \frac{\pi}{2}-\theta, \frac{\pi}{2}+\theta,\pi-\theta . Adding all these values we get 2 π 2\pi .

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Sandeep Bhardwaj Sir, how did you get the other values as π 2 θ , π 2 + θ \dfrac{\pi}{2}-\theta, \dfrac{\pi}{2}+\theta and π θ ? \pi-\theta? I solved the problem using the method @Aditya Raut used and was most impressed by the simplicity of yours.

User 123 - 5 years, 10 months ago

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On observing that sin θ \sin \theta and cos θ \cos \theta are complementary to each other and the power raised to the both is even.

@Ishan Dasgupta Samarendra

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Sandeep Bhardwaj Sir, I couldn't understand how you noticed that sin θ \sin\theta and cos θ \cos\theta are complimentary. Also, what is the significance of them being raised to an even power?

User 123 - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@User 123 That's just observation.

If powers were odd, then in second quadrant, cos θ \cos \theta would be negative, hence π 2 + θ \frac{\pi}{2}+\theta and π θ \pi-\theta would not have worked here. In this lies the significance of even powers here.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Sandeep Bhardwaj Sir I think you misunderstood. I meant to ask how sin θ \sin\theta and cos θ \cos\theta are complimentary. I had always learnt that 2 angles are complimentary.

User 123 - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@User 123 ahhh .

I meant to say is that on adding or subtracting π 2 \frac{\pi}{2} from s i n θ sin \theta , you will get cos θ \cos \theta (neglecting the sign, which even power will compensate), that was my sense of saying sin θ \sin \theta and cos θ \cos \theta complementary.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@Sandeep Bhardwaj Oh, I get it now. Very clever method Sir!

By the way, sin ( π 2 ± θ ) = cos ( θ ) . \sin\left(\dfrac{\pi}{2}\pm\theta\right)=\cos(\theta).

User 123 - 5 years, 10 months ago

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@User 123 yup, right.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 5 years, 10 months ago

i did the same so it became really short and needed almost negligible solving .As 0 < 2 θ < 2 π 0<2\theta<2\pi and it will have one value in each quadrant so their sum will be 2 π 2\pi .Cheers

Gautam Sharma - 6 years, 7 months ago

WOWOWOWOW!!!!!! AWESOME SOLUTION

neelesh vij - 5 years, 6 months ago

very good. wisdom & logic to help in all situations

Balakrishna Padhy - 11 months, 3 weeks ago

Note: We can use symmetry to find the sum of all real θ \theta quite easily without solving for specific values.

For each real value r r , what is the sum of all real θ \theta that satisfy

sin 8 θ + cos 8 θ = r ( 0 θ π ) ? \sin ^8 \theta + \cos ^8 \theta = r \quad ( 0 \leq \theta \leq \pi )? (Note: Answer will depend on r r . )

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

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For r < 1 8 r < \dfrac{1}{8} , no solutions.


For r = 1 8 r=\dfrac{1}{8} , answer is π \pi . (Solutions π 4 , 3 π 4 \dfrac{\pi}{4} , \dfrac{3\pi}{4} )


For 1 8 < r < 1 \dfrac{1}{8} < r < 1 , answer will be 2 π 2\pi .

(Solutions k , π 2 k , π 2 + k , π k k,\dfrac{\pi}{2} - k , \dfrac{\pi}{2} + k , \pi - k , and k k depends on r r . )


For r = 1 r=1 answer will be 3 π 2 \dfrac{3\pi}{2} (Solutions π , π 2 \pi , \dfrac{\pi}{2} )

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Looks good.

Calvin Lin Staff - 6 years, 8 months ago

What is the value of k?

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 6 years, 8 months ago

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@Agnishom Chattopadhyay Oh dear that will depend on r r . Just like in your problem, for r = 17 32 r=\frac{17}{32} , the value of k k was observed to be π 8 \frac{\pi}{8} . So for different r r , k k will be different. But in all cases, the solutions will be of that form, and will give the sum 2 π 2\pi . @Agnishom Chattopadhyay

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 8 months ago
Ronak Agarwal
Oct 15, 2014

s i n 8 θ + c o s 8 θ = ( s i n 4 θ + c o s 4 θ ) 2 2 s i n 4 θ c o s 4 θ { sin }^{ 8 }\theta +{ cos }^{ 8 }\theta ={ ({ sin }^{ 4 }\theta +{ cos }^{ 4 }\theta ) }^{ 2 }-2{ sin }^{ 4 }\theta { cos }^{ 4 }\theta

= ( ( s i n 2 θ + c o s 2 θ ) 2 2 s i n 2 θ c o s 2 θ ) 2 s i n 4 2 θ 8 ={ ({ ({ sin }^{ 2 }\theta +{ cos }^{ 2 }\theta ) }^{ 2 }-2{ sin }^{ 2 }\theta { cos }^{ 2 }\theta ) }^{ 2 }-\frac { { sin }^{ 4 }2\theta }{ 8 }

= ( 1 s i n 2 2 θ 2 ) 2 s i n 4 2 θ 8 ={ (1-\frac { sin^{ 2 }2\theta }{ 2 } ) }^{ 2 }-\frac { { sin }^{ 4 }2\theta }{ 8 }

= ( 1 ( 1 c o s 4 θ 4 ) ) 2 1 8 ( 1 c o s 4 θ 2 ) 2 ={ (1-(\frac { 1-cos4\theta }{ 4 } )) }^{ 2 }-\frac { 1 }{ 8 } { (\frac { 1-cos4\theta }{ 2 } ) }^{ 2 }

= ( 3 + c o s 4 θ 4 ) 2 1 8 ( 1 c o s 4 θ 2 ) 2 ={ (\frac { 3+cos4\theta }{ 4 } ) }^{ 2 }-\frac { 1 }{ 8 } { (\frac { 1-cos4\theta }{ 2 } ) }^{ 2 }

= c o s 2 4 θ 32 + 17 32 + 7 c o s 4 θ 16 =\frac { { cos }^{ 2 }4\theta }{ 32 } +\frac { 17 }{ 32 } +\frac { 7cos4\theta }{ 16 }

Since this expression is equal to 17 32 \frac{17}{32} hence we have :

17 32 = c o s 2 4 θ 32 + 17 32 + 7 c o s 4 θ 16 \frac { 17 }{ 32 } =\frac { { cos }^{ 2 }4\theta }{ 32 } +\frac { 17 }{ 32 } +\frac { 7cos4\theta }{ 16 }

c o s 2 4 θ + 14 c o s 4 θ = 0 \Rightarrow { cos }^{ 2 }4\theta +14cos4\theta =0

c o s 4 θ = 0 \Rightarrow { cos }4\theta =0

θ = π 8 , 3 π 8 , 5 π 8 , 7 π 8 \Rightarrow \theta =\frac { \pi }{ 8 } ,\frac { 3\pi }{ 8 } ,\frac { 5\pi }{ 8 } ,\frac { 7\pi }{ 8 }

Krishna Sharma
Oct 14, 2014

sin 8 x + cos 8 x = ( sin 4 x + cos 4 x ) 2 2 sin 4 x cos 4 x \displaystyle \sin^{8} x + \cos^{8} x = (\sin^{4} x + \cos^{4} x)^{2} - 2\sin^{4} x \cos^{4}x

Now for simplicity s i n x = s , c o s x = c sinx = s, cosx = c

s 4 + c 4 = 1 2 s 2 c 2 \displaystyle s^{4} + c^{4} = 1 - 2s^{2}c^{2}

( 1 2 s 2 c 2 ) 2 2 s 4 c 4 = 17 32 \displaystyle (1 - 2s^{2}c^{2})^{2} - 2s^{4}c^{4} = \frac{17}{32}

Now

Let

s 2 c 2 = t s^{2}c^{2} = t

Plugging it in the equation we get

2 t 2 4 t + 15 32 = 0 \displaystyle 2t^{2} - 4t + \frac{15}{32} = 0

Solving the quadratic we get

t = 1 8 \displaystyle \frac{1}{8}

But

t = s 2 c 2 s^{2}c^{2}

s c = 1 8 \displaystyle sc = \sqrt{\frac{1}{8}}

sin 2 x = ± 1 2 \sin 2x = \pm \frac{1}{\sqrt2}

Here

x = n π 2 ± π 8 x = \frac{n\pi}{2} \pm \frac{\pi}{8}

As 0 x π 0 \leq x \leq \pi

We get

x = π 8 , 3 π 8 , 5 π 8 , 7 π 8 x = \frac{\pi}{8}, \frac{3\pi}{8}, \frac{5\pi}{8}, \frac{7\pi}{8}

Hence

π 8 + 3 π 8 + 5 π 8 + 7 π 8 = 2 π \displaystyle \frac{\pi}{8} + \frac{3\pi}{8} + \frac{5\pi}{8} + \frac{7\pi}{8} = \boxed{2\pi}

wait... what about sin 2 x = 1 2 \sin 2x = \dfrac{-1}{\sqrt{2}} ? Where's that ?

This is not right, you can't say from sin 2 x = 1 2 \sin 2x=\dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} that n π 2 ± π 8 \dfrac{n\pi}{2} \pm \dfrac{\pi}{8} .


sin 2 x = 1 2 x = n π 2 + ( 1 ) n π 8 \sin 2x = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{2}} \implies x = \dfrac{n\pi}{2} + (-1)^n \dfrac{\pi}{8}


To extend to n π 2 ± π 8 \dfrac{n\pi}{2} \pm \dfrac{\pi}{8} , you need to add the case when sin 2 x = 1 2 \sin 2x = \dfrac{-1}{\sqrt{2}}

Aditya Raut - 6 years, 8 months ago

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Let me edit

Krishna Sharma - 6 years, 8 months ago
Alstream Yang
Sep 17, 2018

No need to find out what θ \theta 's exactly are. If a θ \theta satisfies the equation and 0 θ π 4 0 \leq \theta \leq \frac{\pi}{4} , then ( π 2 θ ) (\frac{\pi}{2} - \theta) , ( π 2 + θ ) (\frac{\pi}{2} + \theta) , ( π θ ) (\pi- \theta) will also be the solutions to the equation. Apparently sum of these 4 solutions is 2 π 2\pi .

Now let f ( θ ) = sin 8 θ + cos 8 θ f(\theta)=\sin ^8 \theta + \cos ^8 \theta , which has a domain of [ 0 , π 4 ] [0, \frac{\pi}{4}] . We will find f ( θ ) f(\theta) as a strictly monotone decreasing function, with a range of [ 1 8 , 1 ] [\frac{1}{8}, 1] . So there is only one solution in [ 0 , π 4 ] [0, \frac{\pi}{4}] , then 4 soluntions in [ 0 , π ] [0, \pi] . Eventually, the answer is 2 π 2\pi , which is 6.28.

No matter what f ( θ ) f(\theta) is, such as 17 32 \frac{17}{32} , 19 32 \frac{19}{32} , 21 32 \frac{21}{32} or else, as long as 1 8 < f ( θ ) < 1 \frac{1}{8} < f(\theta) < 1 , the final answer is always 6.28.

Alasdair McAndrew
Oct 18, 2014

Here's another way: write cos ( x ) = e i x + e i x 2 \cos(x)=\frac{e^{ix}+e^{-ix}}{2} and sin ( x ) = e i x e i x 2 i \sin(x)=\frac{e^{ix}-e^{-ix}}{2i} . Expanding cos 8 x + sin 8 x \cos^8x+\sin^8x and collecting terms produces cos 8 x + sin 8 x = 1 64 ( cos 8 x + 28 cos 4 x + 35 ) . \cos^8x + \sin^8x=\frac{1}{64}(\cos 8x+28\cos 4x+35). Writing cos 8 x = 2 cos 2 4 x 1 \cos8x = 2\cos^24x-1 , setting the above equation to 17 / 32 17/32 and simplifying produces this quadratic in cos 4 x \cos 4x : cos 2 4 x + 14 cos 4 x = 0 \cos^24x+14\cos 4x=0 or cos 4 x ( cos 4 x + 14 ) = 0. \cos 4x(\cos 4x+14)=0. The only solutions to this are cos 4 x = 0 \cos 4x=0 or 4 x = π / 2 , 3 π / 2 , 5 π / 2 , 7 π / 2 , 4x = \pi/2,3\pi/2,5\pi/2,7\pi/2,\ldots or x = π / 8 , 3 π / 8 , 4 , 5 π / 8 , 7 π / 8 x=\pi/8,3\pi/8,4,5\pi/8,7\pi/8 as the only solutions in the range 0 x π 0\le x\le\pi . The sum is 2 π 2\pi .

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