Rock Paper Scissor

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Two people are playing rock-paper-scissors. They both have the same strategy:

  • If win, play the same move again the next round.
  • Otherwise, play the move that defeats the opponent's last move.

In the first round, the match-up is rock versus paper. If they continue playing round after round, will a round ever end in a draw?

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9 solutions

Jon Haussmann
Jun 17, 2017

The first round is not a draw.

If some round is not a draw, then the next round is not a draw either (because the winner will play the same move, and the loser will play the move that beats the winner's move).

Therefore, by induction, there will never be a draw.

That's a beautiful observation! This also works for a generalized version of RPS like Rock-Paper-Lizard-Scissor-Spock

Agnishom Chattopadhyay - 3 years, 11 months ago

What if the first round was a draw ?

Ken Barber - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Then each player would play the move that beat the other's previous move, meaning a draw one round results in a draw the next. Hence, infinite draws. In fact, you can see that if they play the same move and use the same strategy, they will always play the same move as each other. So, if you meet a clone of yourself, playing rock paper scissors will be pretty useless.

Kyle Coughlin - 3 years, 11 months ago
Marta Reece
Jun 15, 2017

Summary

The winner sticks to his answer, the looser does what will defeat exactly that answer. The result: the looser now wins and the former winner loses. They will keep switching sides indefinitely, with no draw.

Details

Below winners are listed in green, losers in red

R o c k P a p e r S c i s s o r s P a p e r S c i s s o r s R o c k P a p e r R o c k \begin{aligned}&\color{#D61F06}Rock&\color{#20A900}Paper\\&\color{#20A900}Scissors&\color{#D61F06}Paper\\&\color{#D61F06}Scissors&\color{#20A900}Rock\\&\color{#20A900}Paper&\color{#D61F06}Rock\end{aligned}

At the end the Rock versus Paper repeats, even if in reverse, so the following steps will be again the same, and none of them will be a draw.

Note

The strategy as described is incomplete. It provides no answer to a draw.

The strategy doesn't seem incomplete to me; if they have a tie, they'll just be stuck in an infinite cycle of ties

Jacob Huebner - 3 years, 11 months ago

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The strategy said what to do if you win and what to do if you lose. It did not say what to do if you have a tie. In that sense it is incomplete. It could be that they each do something random and different if they had a tie, and get a different result after that.

Marta Reece - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Perhaps the question has been modified. It now states what to do in a win and what to do otherwise. Otherwise could be lose or tie.

Karen Turner - 3 years, 11 months ago

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@Karen Turner Oops, so it has. Thank you.

Marta Reece - 3 years, 11 months ago

there could be a tie in the first round.

John Chatten - 3 years, 11 months ago

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The problems specifies that "In the first round, the match-up is rock versus paper." That is not a tie.

Marta Reece - 3 years, 11 months ago
Mohammad Khaza
Jun 25, 2017

it is not possible to draw any round.cz, there is a funny matter. the looser will win the next round.as it is mentioned there technically.

so, if they play even number rounds the match will be draw. but no round is gonna be draw.

How do you know that the loser will always win the next round?

What if they played an odd number of rounds, will there ever be a draw?

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 11 months ago

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Otherwise, play the move that defeats the opponent's last move. -so it is mentioned there.

and ,if they play odd number of rounds ,it will not be a draw match.

Mohammad Khaza - 3 years, 11 months ago
Dimiter Stanev
Jun 28, 2017

Rock > Scissors

Paper > Rock

Scissors > Paper

  1. R vs P
  2. S vs P
  3. S vs R
  4. P vs R
  5. P vs S
  6. R vs S
  7. R vs P (same as 1., hence it loops)
Jesse Nieminen
Jun 26, 2017

We'll always have a move and move that beats it on the next round so No \boxed{\text{No}} .

Vivek Zadokar
Jul 1, 2017

First round is won so the loser knows what would be next. And hence loser in previous game will win the next one. A draw is not possible.

Angad Narula
Jul 1, 2017

How can I post my own questions ?

György Harkai
Jun 29, 2017

R vs.P; S vs.P; S vs.R; P vs.R; P vs.S; ...infinity and beyond

Ilya Prokin
Jun 28, 2017

Let x n = ( p 1 ( n ) , p 2 ( n ) ) x_n = ({p_1}^{(n)}, {p_2}^{(n)}) denote player 1 and 2 moves in round n . x n { R , P , S } × { R , P , S } x_n \in \{R,P,S\} \times \{R,P,S\}

Game goes:

x 1 x_1 = (R, P) -> (S, P) -> (S, R) -> (P, R) = x 4 x_4

then due to summetry (rename player 1->2, 2->1), it continues:

-> (P, S) -> (R, S) = x 6 x_6

Then, x 7 x_7 = x 1 x_1 , so 6-cycle restarts, so there will never be a draw because none of x n x_n , n=1,...,6, corresponds to a draw.

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