Rocket Speed

A rocket, initially at rest in deep space, starts its thrusters, which then burn and eject fuel at a uniform rate to provide constant thrust to the rocket.

How does the speed of the rocket vary with time until all of the fuel is exhausted?

The speed remains constant The speed increases at a constant rate The speed increases at a decreasing rate The speed increases at an increasing rate

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Jonathan Quarrie
Jun 2, 2017

Relevant wiki: Newton's Laws of Motion

F o r c e Force = M a s s × A c c e l e r a t i o n Mass \times Acceleration

As the rocket ejects fuel, its total M a s s Mass (rocket mass + fuel mass) decreases. If the F o r c e Force (thrust) is to remain constant, the A c c e l e r a t i o n Acceleration (rate of speed increase) must increase.

But theoretically, doesn't the rate need to decrease and eventually level off, or are we ignoring special relativity?

Andy Ennaco - 4 years ago

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We are assuming a number of things:

  • The amount of fuel in the rocket is not infinite.
  • The finite amount of fuel is insufficient to reach near-light speeds.
  • The period of time we're being asked to consider is before the rocket runs out of fuel.
  • The system is closed - containing only the rocket, and no external forces.

I would guess that the first two assumptions are standard when considering Rocket Physics .

The third and fourth can be inferred, but should really be clarified in the problem.

Jonathan Quarrie - 4 years ago

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Thanks, for pointing it out, I see that the problem statement has been updated to mention that the problem considers the time interval before the fuel runs out.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

Goof explaination

SATPAL SINGH - 4 years ago

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Good explanation*

SATPAL SINGH - 4 years ago

If the force is constant the acceleration will be constant, therefore the speed will increase at a constant rate.

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That would only be true if the mass was constant, but it isn't. Mass decreases when fuel is ejected, so the equation for force has to be balanced by either the force or acceleration changing. The problem states that the force is constant, so the acceleration must change.

In addition (not necessarily in relation to your comment), there is a distinction between constant thrust and constantly thrusting. Similarly, there is a distinction between constant acceleration and constantly accelerating.

Jonathan Quarrie - 4 years ago

What about the mass of the rocket? Won't varying mass of the rocket will have any impact on the acceleration?

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

Just one problem - F=ma only applies to constant mass systems. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable-mass_system

J Yoest - 4 years ago

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From the Forms section of your link:

Note finally that if one lets Fnet be the sum of Fext and Fthrust then the equation regains the usual form of Newton's second law.

I'm not expecting you to have read my other comments or my report on this problem, but I did make a point about assuming/stating that this system is closed. @Brilliant Physics resolved the report, so my guess is that only that which is mentioned in a Brilliant problem is considered to exist as part of the system - In this case, only thrust exists as a force in this system.

Jonathan Quarrie - 4 years ago

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The problem states that the rocket is in the deep space means it is isolated from all other things.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

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@Rohit Gupta Very true.

Jonathan Quarrie - 4 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the maximum potential of your speed in space the speed at which you can leave stuff behind you? (rocket exhaust)

Nicholas Dureault - 4 years ago

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Can you elaborate on what do you mean by "maximum potential of your speed.."?

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

Everyone seems to have forgotten that because of special relativity the mass of the rocket increases with its velocity, so even thought the thrust remains constant, and the mass of the rocket decreases, at high enough velocities the acceleration will decrease.

Jeffrey Tucker - 4 years ago

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The rocket can never reach relativistic speeds, the fuel will exhaust much before it.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

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Indeed. To put this into context, we could conservatively say that Relativistic Speed starts to become significant beyond 1/4 light speed - approx 74,948 km/s

Helios 2 is currently the fastest recorded spacecraft, reaching approx 68.6 km/s. However this was only achieved because Solar gravity propelled it to that velocity, rather than it being self-propelled.

Jonathan Quarrie - 4 years ago

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@Jonathan Quarrie Exactly, the rocket can not self-propel itself to such high speeds.

Rohit Gupta - 3 years, 12 months ago
Rob Bednarik
Jun 7, 2017

Acceleration = (rocket Thrust)/(rocket Mass) or A=T/M

T is constant but M is constantly decreasing as fuel is burned off at a constant rate. The value of T/M then increases over time and so A will increase in a hyperbolic fashion (y= a/x) until all fuel is spent at which point A drops to zero and the rocket reaches terminal velocity.

That's what it is

Kyle Huggins - 4 years ago

The initial question is misleading since it implies infinite fuel and therefore constant mass. dv/dt=F/m, so for constant mass the rate of change of velocity is constant. For a varying mass the rate of change is not constant.

David Griffin - 4 years ago

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Can you elaborate on how you get that the fuel is infinite? The problem asks for the variations in speed and accelerations till the fuel is exhausted it implies that the fuel must be finite.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago
Kelvin Hong
Jun 5, 2017

We let m ( t ) = m 0 α t m(t)=m_0 - \alpha t , 0 t < m 0 α 0\leq t < \frac{m_0}{\alpha} , m 0 m_0 is the initial mass of the rocket and α \alpha is some positive number.

Force remains constant, so let F = F 0 F=F_0

F = m a F=ma

F 0 = a ( m 0 α t ) F_0 = a(m_0 - \alpha t)

a ( t ) = F 0 m 0 α t a(t)= \frac{F_0}{m_0 - \alpha t}

when t t get bigger , a a always be positive, so velocity increasing.

No one has allowed for relativistic effects. As the velocity increases so does the mass. So while the mass of the fuel is diminishing, the total mass is increasing so the acceleration will increase to a point and begin to diminish.

Terry Morris - 4 years ago

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So we also need to think about relativistic effects? Can you elaborate some calculation?

Kelvin Hong - 4 years ago

I am wondering how will be the graph of acceleration vs time?

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

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Actually it's graph would like y = 1 x y=\frac{1}{x} , but has some translation.

Kelvin Hong - 4 years ago

Actually you meant to say rate of acceleration is increasing - yes velocity is increasing as well.

Rob Bednarik - 4 years ago

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Yes, it is because the question asks about how velocity acts, so I emphasize to velocity.

Kelvin Hong - 4 years ago
Fidel R.
Jun 7, 2017

Everyone is quoting that F = ma, but we can't use that in this problem because the mass is changing. Instead let's use the more general version of Newton's second law that says that force is the time derivative of momentum.

F = d P d t F = \frac{dP}{dt}

Momentum is mass times velocity. To find what the time derivative of momentum is, consider the rocket at an arbitrary time t and a small amount of time later: t+∆t. At the end we will take the limit as ∆t goes to zero.

Since we know that the rocket is losing mass at a constant rate, we can write the mass of the rocket as:

m ( t ) = m 0 a t m(t) = m_0 - at

where m 0 m_0 is the time of the rocket when t=0 and a is the rate at which the rocket is losing mass.

Let v ( t ) v(t) be the velocity of the rocket at time t. This is the function we are trying to find. Thus, at time t, the momentum of the rocket will be:

P ( t ) = v ( t ) m ( t ) = v ( t ) ( m 0 a t ) P(t) = v(t)m(t) = v(t)(m_0-at)

At time t+∆t, the speed of the rocket will have changed by some amount ∆v, which may be positive or negative. Thus:

P ( t + Δ t ) = ( v ( t ) + Δ v ) m ( t + Δ t ) = ( v ( t ) + Δ v ) ( m 0 a t a Δ t ) = v ( t ) m 0 + m 0 Δ v a t Δ v v ( t ) a t a v ( t ) Δ t a Δ t Δ v P(t+\Delta t) = (v(t)+\Delta v)m(t+\Delta t) = (v(t)+\Delta v)(m_0-at-a\Delta t) = v(t)m_0 + m_0\Delta v - at\Delta v - v(t)at -av(t)\Delta t-a\Delta t\Delta v

Now consider the value of P(t+∆t)-P(t).

P ( t + Δ t ) P ( t ) = v ( t ) m 0 + m 0 Δ v a t Δ v v ( t ) a t a v ( t ) Δ t a Δ t Δ v v ( t ) m 0 + a v ( t ) t = m 0 Δ v a t Δ v a v ( t ) Δ t a Δ t Δ v P(t+\Delta t)-P(t) = v(t)m_0 + m_0\Delta v - at\Delta v - v(t)at -av(t)\Delta t-a\Delta t\Delta v - v(t)m_0 + av(t)t = m_0\Delta v - at\Delta v -av(t)\Delta t-a\Delta t\Delta v

Divide both sides of the equation by ∆t and we get:

P ( t + Δ t ) P ( t ) Δ t = m 0 Δ v Δ t a t Δ v Δ t a v ( t ) a Δ v = ( m 0 a t ) Δ v Δ t a v ( t ) a Δ v \frac{P(t+\Delta t)-P(t)}{\Delta t} = m_0\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t} - at\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t} - av(t) - a\Delta v = (m_0-at)\frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t} - av(t) - a\Delta v

Now we take the limit as ∆t (and subsequently ∆v) go to zero. From the definition of the derivative, P ( t + Δ t ) P ( t ) Δ t \frac{P(t+\Delta t)-P(t)}{\Delta t} becomes the derivative of P with respect to time and likewise, Δ v Δ t \frac{\Delta v}{\Delta t} becomes the derivative of velocity with respect to time. However, the a∆v term simply goes to zero (by direct substitution). Hence, we get:

d P d t = ( m 0 a t ) d v d t a v ( t ) \frac{dP}{dt} = (m_0-at)\frac{dv}{dt} - av(t)

By Newton's second law, however, we know that the time derivative of momentum is the force applied, which is a constant thrust, which we may call F 0 F_0 . We thus have a differential equation:

F 0 = ( m 0 a t ) d v d t a v ( t ) F_0 = (m_0-at)\frac{dv}{dt} - av(t)

with initial condition v ( 0 ) = 0 v(0) = 0 (i.e. it starts at rest). Using separation of variables we get:

F 0 a + v ( t ) = ( m 0 a t ) d v d t \frac{F_0}{a} + v(t) = (\frac{m_0}{a}-t)\frac{dv}{dt}

d v F 0 a + v ( t ) = d t m 0 a t \frac{dv}{\frac{F_0}{a} + v(t)} = \frac{dt}{\frac{m_0}{a}-t}

0 v d v F 0 a + v ( t ) = 0 t d t m 0 a t \int_{0}^{v} \frac{dv}{\frac{F_0}{a} + v(t)} = \int_{0}^{t} \frac{dt}{\frac{m_0}{a}-t}

l n ( F 0 a + v ) l n ( F 0 a ) = l n ( m 0 a t ) + l n ( m 0 a ) ln(\frac{F_0}{a}+v) - ln(\frac{F_0}{a}) = -ln(\frac{m_0}{a}-t) + ln(\frac{m_0}{a})

l n ( F 0 + a v F 0 ) = l n ( m 0 m 0 a t ) ln(\frac{F_0+av}{F_0}) = ln(\frac{m_0}{m_0-at})

F 0 + a v F 0 = m 0 m 0 a t \frac{F_0+av}{F_0} = \frac{m_0}{m_0-at}

1 + a F 0 v = m 0 m 0 a t 1 + \frac{a}{F_0}v = \frac{m_0}{m_0-at}

a F 0 v = m 0 m 0 a t 1 \frac{a}{F_0}v = \frac{m_0}{m_0-at}- 1

v ( t ) = F 0 a ( m 0 m 0 a t 1 ) v(t) = \frac{F_0}{a}( \frac{m_0}{m_0-at}-1)

We can check that when t=0, m 0 m 0 a t 1 = m 0 m 0 1 = 1 1 = 0 \frac{m_0}{m_0-at}-1 = \frac{m_0}{m_0} - 1 = 1 -1 = 0 , which is what we expected. Notice also that when t = m 0 a t = \frac{m_0}{a} , we reach a vertical asymptote. Thus as t grow from 0 to m 0 a \frac{m_0}{a} , m 0 m 0 a t \frac{m_0}{m_0-at} grows from 1 to infinity and so v ( t ) v(t) grows from 0 to infinity. Therefore, it's clear that the velocity is increasing. Furthermore, the rate at which the velocity increases must also be increasing because otherwise, the graph would be concave down and it would never be able to reach a vertical asymptote approaching positive infinity.

Therefore: the speed is increasing at an increasing rate.

Note: the velocity will not actually reach infinity because the fuel will run out before t = m 0 a t=\frac{m_0}{a} . If it didn't, then that would mean that the rocket was made out of fuel and you not only burnt your fuel but your rocket as well. After the fuel runs out, the rocket would just move at the velocity it was going at when the fuel ran out. This is because with no fuel there is no thrust and thus, by Newton's second law, d P d t = 0 \frac{dP}{dt} = 0 , which implies (since the mass is no longer changing) that d v d t = 0 \frac{dv}{dt} = 0 (i.e. the acceleration is zero and the velocity is constant).

Fun problem.

F net = m d v d t + v r e l d m d t F_{\text{net}} = m \frac{dv}{dt} + v_{rel}\frac{dm}{dt}

Because the rocket is in the deep space, it is away from any external gravity thus F net = 0 F_{\text{net}} = 0 and m d v d t = v r e l d m d t m \frac{dv}{dt} = -v_{rel}\frac{dm}{dt} .

Also, the term v r e l d m d t -v_{rel}\frac{dm}{dt} is called the thrust force which is constant as per the question, therefore, a = d v d t = thrust m a= \frac{dv}{dt} = \frac{\text{thrust}}{m} .

Mass of the rocket is continuously decreasing, therefore, the acceleration is increasing.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago
Kellen Gintner
Jun 8, 2017

Assuming we stay well below relativistic speeds. =)

No rocket can carry so much fuel to reach relativistic speeds.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago
Yash Ghaghada
Jun 9, 2017

Logically if we say more force is required for more massive body to have same acceleration , or if you know simple laws of motion i.e F=ma (m=mass, a=acceleration) so as rocket starts it has mass say M( which is max because it is sum of mass of rocket + the fuel for thrust) at any time it has mass less than M, And the engine is supplying constant force but the mass is decreasing so less massive body gets more accelerated by the same force so the increasing speed has a increasing nature(increasing acceleration)

To elaborate further, the mass is variable and the Newton's second law should be F n e t + F t h r u s t = m a F_{net} + F_{thrust} = m a .

In the deep space, the net force on the rocket must be zero. Thus, the thrust force equals the mass times the acceleration.

Rohit Gupta - 4 years ago

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