Rolling the square root graph

Geometry Level 2

The graph of f ( x ) = x f(x) = \sqrt{x} over the interval [ 0 , 1 ] [0, 1] is rolled on the y y -axis.

What are the destination coordinates ( x 0 , y 0 ) (x_0, y_0) of the lower tip, which was originally at ( 0 , 0 ) ? (0, 0)?

Submit 1000 ( x 0 + y 0 ) \big\lfloor 1000(x_0+y_0) \big\rfloor as your answer.


The answer is 584.

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7 solutions

David Vreken
Oct 23, 2018

First let's get some measurements of y = x y = \sqrt{x} before its roll. Let O O be the endpoint at the the origin, let A A be the endpoint at ( 1 , 1 ) (1, 1) , let A B AB be the tangent to y y at A A , and let B B be on the y y -axis, as shown below:

Since A A is at ( 1 , 1 ) (1, 1) , by Pythagorean's Theorem, A O = 1 2 + 1 2 = 2 AO = \sqrt{1^2 + 1^2} = \sqrt{2} . The slope of A O AO is 1 1 = 1 \frac{1}{1} = 1 , so its angle of inclination is tan 1 1 = 45 ° \tan^{-1} 1 = 45° , which means A O B = 90 ° 45 ° = 45 ° \angle AOB = 90° - 45° = 45° .

Also, d y d x = 1 2 x \frac{dy}{dx} = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}} , so the slope of y y at A ( 1 , 1 ) A(1, 1) (and also the slope of A B AB ) is m = 1 2 1 = 1 2 m = \frac{1}{2\sqrt{1}} = \frac{1}{2} , so its angle of inclination is tan 1 1 2 \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2} , which means A B O = 90 ° + tan 1 1 2 \angle ABO = 90° + \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2} . From the triangle sum of A B O \triangle ABO , B A O = 180 ° 45 ° ( 90 ° + tan 1 1 2 ) = 45 ° tan 1 1 2 \angle BAO = 180° - 45° - (90° + \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2}) = 45° - \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2} .

The arc length from A A to O O is s = 0 1 1 + ( d y d x ) 2 d x = 0 1 1 + ( 1 2 x ) 2 d x 1.47894 s = \int_{0}^{1} \sqrt{1 + (\frac{dy}{dx})^2} dx = \int_{0}^{1} \sqrt{1 + (\frac{1}{2\sqrt{x}})^2} dx \approx 1.47894 .

After the curve is rolled, A B O \triangle ABO is mapped to A B O \triangle A'B'O' , where A B A'B' is on the y y -axis, and A A is at ( 0 , 1.47894 ) (0, 1.47894) . Let C C' be on the y y -axis such that A C O \angle A'C'O' is a right angle, as shown below:

Then A O = A O = 2 A'O' = AO = \sqrt{2} and C A O = B A O = 45 ° tan 1 1 2 \angle C'A'O' = \angle BAO = 45° - \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2} , and by trigonometry A C = 2 cos ( 45 ° tan 1 1 2 ) 1.34164 A'C' = \sqrt{2} \cos (45° - \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2}) \approx 1.34164 , and O C = 2 sin ( 45 ° tan 1 1 2 ) 0.44721 O'C' = \sqrt{2} \sin (45° - \tan^{-1} \frac{1}{2}) \approx 0.44721 .

Therefore, the coordinates of O O' are ( 0.44721 , 1.47894 1.34164 ) (0.44721, 1.47894 - 1.34164) or ( 0.44721 , 0.13730 ) (0.44721, 0.13730) , so x 0 = 0.44721 x_0 = 0.44721 and y 0 = 0.13730 y_0 = 0.13730 , and 1000 ( x 0 + y 0 ) = 584 \lfloor 1000(x_0 + y_0) \rfloor = \boxed{584} .

Great solution!👍👍👍

Harsh Khasbage - 2 years, 5 months ago

What if u consider rectangle

Kirtan Kanani - 1 year, 10 months ago
Ossama Ismail
Oct 25, 2018

Hosam Hajjir
Oct 22, 2018

Let's consider the initial position of the graph, the tangent at ( 1 , 1 ) (1,1) will roll into the y-axis at the point ( 0 , L ) (0, L) , where L L is the length of the curve. When we roll the curve along the y-axis, we're basically applying a rotation and shifting to the frame ( x , y ) (x, y) . Let's call the final frame O x y Ox'y' , then

( x , y ) = d + R ( x , y ) (x', y') = d + R (x, y)

where R R is a rotation matrix, the angle of rotation is θ = π 2 ϕ \theta = \dfrac{\pi}{2} - \phi , where ϕ \phi is the angle that the tangent at ( 1 , 1 ) (1,1) makes with the x-axis, that is, ϕ = tan 1 ( 1 2 ) \phi = \tan^{-1}(\dfrac{1}{2}) ,

from which sin θ = cos ( tan 1 ( 1 2 ) ) = 1 1 + 1 4 = 2 5 \sin \theta = \cos( \tan^{-1}(\dfrac{1}{2}) ) = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{1 + \dfrac{1}{4} }} = \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}} , and cos θ = 1 5 \cos \theta = \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}} . Thus, matrix R R is given by,

R = [ cos θ sin θ sin θ cos θ ] = [ 1 5 2 5 2 5 1 5 ] R = \begin{bmatrix} \cos \theta && -\sin \theta \\ \sin \theta && \cos \theta \end{bmatrix} = \begin{bmatrix} \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}} && -\dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}} \\ \dfrac{2}{\sqrt{5}} && \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}} \end{bmatrix}

To find the vector d d in the equation relating ( x , y ) (x, y) and ( x , y ) (x', y') , we substitute the point ( x , y ) = ( 1 , 1 ) (x, y) = (1,1 ) and the corresponding point ( x , y ) = ( 0 , L ) (x', y') = (0, L) . The curve length L L is given by,

L = 0 1 1 + 4 y 2 d y = 1 4 ( 2 5 + ln ( 2 + 5 ) ) = 1.4789428 L = \displaystyle \int_0^1 \sqrt{1 + 4 y^2} dy = \dfrac{1}{4} ( 2 \sqrt{5} + \ln(2 + \sqrt{5} ) ) = 1.4789428

It follows that

d = ( 0 , L ) R ( 1 , 1 ) = ( 0 , 1.4789428 ) ( 1 5 , 3 5 ) = ( 0.4472136 , 0.1373020135 ) d = (0, L) - R (1, 1) = (0, 1.4789428) - ( - \dfrac{1}{\sqrt{5}} , \dfrac{3}{\sqrt{5}} ) = ( 0.4472136, 0.1373020135 )

And therefore, the final destination coordinates of the point that was originally at ( 0 , 0 ) (0,0) are

( x 0 , y 0 ) = d + R ( 0 , 0 ) = d = ( 0.4472136 , 0.1373020135 ) (x_0, y_0)= d + R (0, 0) = d = (0.4472136, 0.1373020135)

making the answer, 1000 ( x 0 + y 0 ) = 584 \lfloor 1000(x_0 + y_0) \rfloor = \boxed{584}

Otto Bretscher
Oct 21, 2018

Wow, another endearing and charming problem! How do you come up with this stuff?!

The problem itself is not hard at all, which makes it even more delightful. For psychological reasons, I rather work with the square graph than with the square root, reflection across the diagonal of the first quadrant. With the notations introduced in the attached figure, the point we seek is ( x , y ) = ( L a , b ) (x,y)=(L-a,b) . Now a a and b b are just distances, and the arc length is L = 0 1 1 + 4 x 2 d x 1.47894 L=\int_{0}^{1}\sqrt{1+4x^2}dx\approx 1.47894 . My calculator tells me that 1000 ( x + y ) = 584 \lfloor 1000(x+y)\rfloor=\boxed{584} .

Lucas Guimarães
Oct 30, 2018

One way of solving the problem is by decomposing the roll movement into a rotation and a displacement. Such movement would have two nice properties:

  • The angle of rotation would be such that the tangent line of the curve in the upper tip is now the y axis.
  • The upper tip would end up in the coordinate ( 0 , l ) (0,l) where l l is the length of the curve from 0 to 1.

To easily calculate such transformations we can use complex algebra. By doing this, the rotation would be a multiplication and the displacement an addition. Rewriting the two properties above explicitly:

  • c o t a n ( θ ) = d x d x x = 1 cotan(\theta) = \left.\frac{d\sqrt{x}}{dx}\right|_{x=1}
  • ( 1 + i ) [ c o s ( θ ) + i s i n ( θ ) ] + x 0 + y 0 i = i l = i 0 1 1 + ( d x d x ) 2 d x (1+i) \left[cos(\theta) + i sin (\theta)\right] + x_0 + y_0 i = i l =i \int_{0}^1 \sqrt{1+\left(\frac{d\sqrt{x}}{dx}\right)^2} dx

Solving the first equation we obtain that c o t a n ( θ ) = 1 2 c o s ( θ ) = 1 5 , s i n ( θ ) = 2 5 cotan(\theta) = \frac{1}{2} \Rightarrow cos(\theta) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}, sin(\theta) = \frac{2}{\sqrt{5}} . Plugin in the second equation and by solving the integral:

( 1 + i ) ( 1 5 + i 2 5 ) + x 0 + y 0 i = i 8 [ 4 5 + l n ( 9 + 4 5 ) ] (1+i) \left(\frac{1}{\sqrt{5}} + i \frac{2}{\sqrt{5}}\right) + x_0 + y_0 i = \frac{i}{8} \left[4\sqrt{5} + ln(9+4\sqrt{5})\right]

Finally we can solve for the real and imaginary parts independently obtaining the following displacement coordinates:

  • x 0 = 1 5 x_0 = \frac{1}{\sqrt{5}}
  • y 0 = 1 8 [ 4 5 + l n ( 9 + 4 5 ) ] 3 5 y_0 = \frac{1}{8} \left[4\sqrt{5} + ln(9+4\sqrt{5})\right] - \frac{3}{\sqrt{5}}

The solution is thus: 1000 ( 1 8 [ 4 5 + l n ( 9 + 4 5 ) ] 2 5 ) = 584 \lfloor 1000 \left( \frac{1}{8} \left[4\sqrt{5} + ln(9+4\sqrt{5})\right] - \frac{2}{\sqrt{5}} \right) \rfloor = 584

Shouldn't we rotate anticlockwise by (pi/2 - theta) using cis(pi/2 - theta) rather than cis(theta)?

D E - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Read carefully, I used the cotangent instead of the tangent when defining theta. In doing so, I avoid setting the angle, say phi, that would correspond to the theta you used in your comment, and then defining my theta as the complement of that phi.

In other words, I need to rotate counterclockwise by the complement of the angle that the tangent line at x = 1 makes with the x-axis. This is achieved by turning counterclockwise by a theta angle whose cotangent is the value of the derivative of the function at x = 1.

Lucas Guimarães - 2 years, 7 months ago

That's taken into account by using the cotangent instead of the tangent. Both methods are equivalent since tan ( π / 2 x ) = cotan ( x ) \tan(\pi/2-x) = \text{cotan}(x)

Lucas Guimarães - 1 week, 2 days ago
K T
Oct 30, 2018

For the arc length we use the formula L = 0 1 1 + ( g ( x ) ) 2 L=\int_0^1\sqrt{1+(g'(x))^2} . For ease we do not use f = x f=\sqrt{x} , but its inverse g = x 2 g=x^2 instead. 0 1 1 + 4 x 2 d x \int_0^1{\sqrt{1+4x^2}dx} = 1 2 0 2 1 + u 2 d u = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^2{\sqrt{1+u^2}du} = 1 2 0 a r c s i n h ( 2 ) 1 + ( sinh ( t ) ) 2 d sinh ( t ) = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{arcsinh(2)}{\sqrt{1+(\sinh(t))^2}d\sinh(t)} = 1 2 0 a r c s i n h ( 2 ) cosh 2 ( t ) d t = \frac{1}{2}\int_0^{arcsinh(2)}{\cosh^2(t)}dt = t 4 + sinh ( 2 t ) 8 = \frac{t^*}{4}+\frac{\sinh(2t^*)}{8} evaluated at t = a r c s i n h ( 2 ) t^*= arcsinh(2) , which gives L = 1.4789...

The point (1,1) is on the line y=x at distance 2 \sqrt{2} from the origin, and the graph makes an angle α = a r c t a n ( 1 ) a r c t a n 1 2 \alpha=arctan (1)-arctan\frac{1}{2} with that line. Doing some trig, we see our point will be at ( 2 sin ( α ) , L 2 cos ( α ) ) (\sqrt{2}\sin(\alpha), L-\sqrt{2}\cos(\alpha)) which is appoximately at (0.4472, 0.1373), so that the required answer is 584.

Vinod Kumar
Oct 29, 2018

Find the two lines, first line:

(1) y=(1/2)(x+1), tangent at (1,1) to curve y=√x,

and second line

(2) y=-2x-0.30692,

perpendicular to tangent line at distance 1.4789 ( length of curve) away at (-0.322768, 0.338616).

Find the distance of (0,0) to above two lines as (0.44721, 0.137258),

Answer=1000(0.44721+0.137258)=584

How did you find these decimal numbers? Are they exact?

Pi Han Goh - 2 years, 7 months ago

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Decimal numbers are from calculator and/or WolframAlpha.

For instance, the first decimal number is length of the curve 1.4789 and this (not exact) is from integration by WolframAlpha.

The remaining decimal numbers get generated from this curve length dependent calculations. We can't just avoid them?

Vinod Kumar - 2 years, 7 months ago

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What are the expressions/figures you need to get these numbers? I don't know how you generated these numbers. Can you elaborate on them?

Pi Han Goh - 2 years, 7 months ago

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@Pi Han Goh Curve length of 1.4789 between (0,0) and (1,1) on y=√x is obtained from integration of dx√(1+(dy/dx)^2 from 0 to 1 using WolframAlpha.

Point (-0.322768, 0.338616) is generated as a point 1.4789 away on line y=(1/2)(x+1) from point (1,1).

Later, the line perpendicular to first line is y=-2x+c, where c=-0.30692 is calculated as point (-0.322768, 0.338616) lies on this line.

Finally, (0.44721, 0.137258) are perpendicular distances of (0,0) from line 1 & 2.

I have used standard geometrical expressions in each of these calculations.

Vinod Kumar - 2 years, 7 months ago

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