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Algebra Level 3

If α \alpha is one of the non-real seventh roots of unity, then find the discriminant of the monic quadratic equation with the roots α + α 2 + α 4 \alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^4 and α 3 + α 5 + α 6 . \alpha^3+\alpha^5+\alpha^6.

Details and Assumptions:

  • The discriminant of a quadratic equation a x 2 + b x + c = 0 ax^2+bx+c=0 is b 2 4 a c . b^2-4ac.


The answer is -7.

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4 solutions

U Z
Oct 31, 2014

Quadratic equation whose roots are "a" and "b" is x 2 ( a + b ) x + a b = 0 x^{2}- (a + b)x + ab = 0 Let α = a \alpha = a , thus :

x 2 ( a + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 + a 5 + a 6 ) x + ( a + a 2 + a 4 ) ( a 3 + a 5 + a 6 ) = 0 x^{2} - ( a + a^{2} +a^{3} + a^{4} + a^{5} + a^{6})x + (a + a^{2} + a^{4})(a^{3} + a^{5} + a^{6})=0

x 2 ( 1 + a + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 + a 5 + a 6 1 ) x + ( a + a 2 + a 4 ) ( 1 a 4 + 1 a 2 + 1 a ) = 0 \implies x^{2} - ( 1 + a + a^{2} +a^{3} + a^{4} + a^{5} + a^{6} - 1)x + (a + a^{2} + a^{4})(\frac{1}{a^{4}} + \frac{1}{a^{2}} + \frac{1}{a})=0

(since a 7 = 1 ) a^{7} = 1)

x 2 + x + 3 + a + a 2 + a 3 + 1 a 2 + 1 a 3 + 1 a = 0 \implies x^{2} + x + 3 + a + a^{2} + a^{3} + \frac{1}{a^{2}} + \frac{1}{a^{3}} + \frac{1}{a}=0

x 2 + x + 3 + a + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 + a 5 + a 6 = 0 \implies x^{2} + x +3 + a + a^{2} + a^{3} + a^{4} + a^{5} + a^{6}=0

x 2 + x + 1 + a + a 2 + a 3 + a 4 + a 5 + a 6 + 2 = 0 \implies x^{2} + x + 1 + a + a^{2} + a^{3} + a^{4} + a^{5} + a^{6} + 2=0

x 2 + x + 2 = 0 \implies x^{2} + x + 2=0

Discriminant = 1 4.2 = 7 1 - 4.2 = -7

Very nice !

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 7 months ago

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I have edited your solution. Now it looks better. :) @megh choksi

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 7 months ago

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Thank you Sir . What was your method .

U Z - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@U Z Ohhhh, thank you for the appreciation. My method was the same as yours. It's a very simple question, if you know the properties of n t h n^{th} roots of unity.

Sandeep Bhardwaj - 6 years, 7 months ago

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@Sandeep Bhardwaj This is a wonderful question but please note that this is the same as - "https://brilliant.org/community-problem/roots-of-quadratic-equation/"

Krishna Ar - 6 years, 7 months ago

@Sandeep Bhardwaj Very elegant question @Sandeep Bhardwaj I enjoyed solving it.

Sanjeet Raria - 6 years, 7 months ago

The seventh roots of unity is given by Euler identity as

z = e 2 n π 7 i = cos 2 n π 7 + sin 2 n π 7 i z = e^{\frac{2n\pi}{7}i} = \cos{\frac{2n\pi}{7}} +\sin{\frac{2n\pi}{7}}i

where n = 0 , 1 , 2...6 n = 0,1,2...6 .

This is shown in Argand diagram below.

Therefore, if α = e 2 n π 7 \alpha = e^{\frac{2n\pi}{7}} is an non-real root, then α 2 \alpha^2 , α 3 \alpha^3 , α 4 \alpha^4 , α 5 \alpha^5 and α 6 \alpha^6 are also the non-real roots. (Note that we can choose any non-real root to be α \alpha , it will not change the above fact.).

Therefore the six non-real roots (see the Argand diagram) are:

Let z 1 = α + α 2 + α 4 z_1=\alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^4 and z 2 = α 3 + α 5 + α 6 z_2=\alpha^3+\alpha^5+\alpha^6 .

From the Argand diagram we note that:

  • z 1 + z 2 + 1 = 0 ( z 1 + z 2 = 1 ) ( z 1 + z 2 ) = 0 z_1+z_2+1 = 0\quad \Rightarrow \Re (z_1+z_2=-1)\quad \Rightarrow \Im (z_1+z_2) = 0
  • z 2 = z ˉ 1 ( z 1 ) = ( z 2 ) = 1 2 z_2=\bar{z}_1\quad \Rightarrow \Re (z_1) = \Re (z_2) = -\frac{1}{2} ( z 1 ) = ( z 2 ) = sin 2 n π 7 + sin 4 n π 7 sin 6 n π 7 = 7 2 \quad \quad \quad \quad \space \Rightarrow \Im (z_1) = -\Im (z_2) = \sin{\frac{2n\pi}{7}} + \sin{\frac{4n\pi}{7}} - \sin{\frac{6n\pi}{7}} = \frac{\sqrt{7}}{2}

If z 1 z_1 and z 2 z_2 are roots of x 2 + b x + c = 0 x^2+bx+c = 0 , then:

  • b = ( z 1 + z 2 ) = ( 1 ) = 1 b = -(z_1+z_2) = -(-1) = 1
  • c = z 1 z 2 = ( 1 2 + 7 2 i ) ( 1 2 7 2 i ) = 1 4 + 7 4 = 2 c = z_1z_2 = (-\frac{1}{2}+\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2}i)(-\frac{1}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{7}}{2}i) = \frac {1}{4}+\frac {7}{4} = 2

Therefore, b 2 4 c = 1 2 4 ( 2 ) = 7 b^2-4c = 1^2 - 4(2) = \boxed{-7}

Can you please explain how you got this: sin 2 n π 7 + sin 4 n π 7 sin 6 n π 7 = 7 2 \sin \frac{2n\pi}{7} + \sin \frac{4n\pi}{7} - \sin \frac{6n\pi}{7} = \frac{\sqrt{7}}{2}

Ariel Gershon - 6 years, 5 months ago

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Sorry, I may have used calculator. I can't remember.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 5 years, 10 months ago

This paper explained how the number is derived in detail: http://www.mindspring.com/~jimvb/TheSeventhRootofUnity.pdf

Sophie Ho - 2 years, 5 months ago

Thanks, I have later come up with a proof .

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 5 months ago

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proof shows "404-page not found"!

Mehdi K. - 1 year, 10 months ago

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Proof

Chew-Seong Cheong - 1 year, 10 months ago
Ángel Moro
Jan 20, 2016

Given the quadratic equation: ( x ( α + α 2 + α 4 ) ) ( x ( α 3 + α 5 + α 6 ) ) = a x 2 + b x + c = 0 (x-(\alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^4))(x-(\alpha^3+\alpha^5+\alpha^6))=ax^2+bx+c=0 Making computation taking into account α 7 = 1 \alpha^7=1 we have: a = 1 b = ( α + α 2 + α 3 + α 4 + α 5 + α 6 ) c = ( α + α 2 + α 4 ) ( α 3 + α 5 + α 6 ) = 3 + ( α + α 2 + α 3 + α 4 + α 5 + α 6 ) a=1 \quad b=-(\alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^3+\alpha^4+\alpha^5+\alpha^6)\quad c=(\alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^4)(\alpha^3+\alpha^5+\alpha^6)=3+(\alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^3+\alpha^4+\alpha^5+\alpha^6)

we know that athe seventh-roots of the unity are the solutions so the equation: x 7 1 = ( x 1 ) ( x 6 + x 5 + x 4 + x 3 + x 2 + x + 1 ) = 0 x^7-1=(x-1)(x^6+x^5+x^4+x^3+x^2+x+1)=0

Since α \alpha is not real it is a root of the second factor of the expression above, so we have: 1 + α + α 2 + α 3 + α 4 + α 5 + α 6 = 0 1+\alpha+\alpha^2+\alpha^3+\alpha^4+\alpha^5+\alpha^6=0 Then we have: a = 1 b = 1 c = 2 b 2 4 a c = 7 a=1 \qquad b=1 \qquad c=2 \quad \Rightarrow \quad b^2-4ac=-7

Kristian Thulin
Dec 15, 2018

If α \alpha is a seventh root of unity, we have α 7 1 = 0 \alpha^7 - 1 =0 which can be factorized as ( α 1 ) ( 1 + α + α 2 + α 3 + α 4 + α 5 + α 6 ) = 0 (\alpha - 1)(1+\alpha + \alpha^2 +\alpha^3 + \alpha^4 + \alpha^5 + \alpha^6) = 0 .

Since α \alpha is a non-real root, then ( α 1 ) (\alpha - 1 ) is non-zero, and 1 + α + α 2 + α 3 + α 4 + α 5 + α 6 = 0 1+\alpha + \alpha^2 +\alpha^3 + \alpha^4 + \alpha^5 + \alpha^6 = 0 .

Let the roots of the monic quadratic equation be x 1 x_1 and x 2 x_2 . Then 1 + x 1 + x 2 = 0 1 + x_1 + x_2 = 0 , which gives us b = ( x 1 + x 2 ) = 1 b = -( x_1 + x_2) = 1 .

Further c = x 1 x 2 = ( α + α 2 + α 4 ) ( α 3 + α 5 + α 6 ) = α 4 + α 5 + α 6 + 3 α 7 + α 8 + α 9 + α 9 c = x_1 \cdot x_2 = (\alpha + \alpha^2 + \alpha^4)(\alpha^3 + \alpha^5 + \alpha^6) = \alpha^4 + \alpha^5 + \alpha^6 + 3\alpha^7 + \alpha^8 + \alpha^9 + \alpha^9 = α 4 × ( 1 + α + α 2 + α 3 + α 4 + α 5 + α 6 ) + 2 α 7 = 0 + 2 = 2 = \alpha^4 \times (1+\alpha + \alpha^2 +\alpha^3 + \alpha^4 + \alpha^5 + \alpha^6) + 2 \alpha^7 = 0 + 2 = 2

Lastly, a monic quadratic equation has a = 1 a = 1 , and the discriminant becomes b 2 4 a c = 1 4 1 2 = 7 b^2 - 4 a c = 1 - 4\cdot 1 \cdot 2 = -7

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