Round and round they go

Calculus Level 3

Three points A , B , {\color{#3D99F6}A}, {\color{#D61F06}B}, and C {\color{#20A900}C} are moving counterclockwise around a unit circle with periods 1 s , 2 s , \SI{1}{\second}, \SI{2}{\second}, and 3 s , \SI{3}{\second}, respectively.

They started from the same position on the circle.

What is the maximal area of triangle A B C ? {\color{#3D99F6}A}{\color{#D61F06}B}{\color{#20A900}C}?


The answer is 1.1965249.

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11 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Mar 31, 2018

Let the angular velocities of A A , B B and C C be ω A = 2 π \omega_A= 2\pi rads 1 \text{ rads}^{-1} , ω B = π \omega_B= \pi rads 1 \text{ rads}^{-1} and ω C = 2 π 3 \omega_C=\dfrac {2\pi}3 rads 1 \text{ rads}^{-1} respectively. Instead of all three points are moving we can fixed one. say C C , and find the relative position of A A and B B to C C using relative angular velocities. Let the relative angular velocities to C C of A A and B B be ω a = 2 π 2 π 3 = 4 π 3 \omega_a = 2\pi - \dfrac {2\pi}3 = \dfrac {4\pi}3 rads 1 \text{ rads}^{-1} and ω b = π 2 π 3 = π 3 \omega_b = \pi - \dfrac {2\pi}3 = \dfrac \pi 3 rads 1 \text{ rads}^{-1} respectively.

Let the centre of the unit circle be O O , A O C = θ a \angle AOC = \theta_a and B O C = θ b \angle BOC= \theta_b . We note that the area of A B C \triangle ABC is given by:

[ A B C ] = [ A B O ] + [ B C O ] [ A C O ] By formula A = 1 2 a b sin θ = 1 2 sin ( θ a θ b ) + 1 2 sin θ b 1 2 sin θ a = 1 2 ( sin ( ω a t ω b t ) + sin ( ω b t ) sin ( ω a t ) ) = 1 2 ( sin ( π t ) + sin ( π t 3 ) sin ( 4 π t 3 ) ) Let ϕ = π t 3 = 1 2 ( sin 3 ϕ + sin ϕ sin 4 ϕ ) \begin{aligned} [ABC] & = [ABO] + [BCO] - [ACO] & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{By formula }A_\triangle = \frac 12 ab \sin \theta \\ & = \frac 12 \sin (\theta_a - \theta_b) + \frac 12 \sin \theta_b - \frac 12 \sin \theta_a \\ & = \frac 12 \left(\sin (\omega_at - \omega_bt) + \sin (\omega_bt) - \sin (\omega_a t) \right) \\ & = \frac 12 \left(\sin (\pi t) + \sin \left(\frac {\pi t}3 \right) - \sin \left(\frac {4\pi t}3\right) \right) & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Let }\phi = \frac {\pi t}3 \\ & = \frac 12 \left(\sin 3\phi + \sin \phi - \sin 4\phi \right) \end{aligned}

The extrema of [ A B C ] [ABC] occurs when

d d ϕ ( sin 3 ϕ + sin ϕ sin 4 ϕ ) = 0 3 cos 3 ϕ + cos ϕ 4 cos 4 ϕ = 0 3 ( 4 cos 3 ϕ 3 cos ϕ ) + cos ϕ 4 ( 8 cos 4 ϕ 8 cos 2 ϕ + 1 ) = 0 Let x = cos ϕ and rearrange. 8 x 4 3 x 3 8 x 2 + 2 x + 1 = 0 \begin{aligned} \frac d{d\phi} \left(\sin 3\phi + \sin \phi - \sin 4\phi\right) & = 0 \\ 3\cos 3 \phi + \cos \phi - 4 \cos 4\phi & = 0 \\ 3(4\cos^3 \phi - 3\cos \phi) + \cos \phi - 4(8 \cos^4 \phi - 8 \cos^2 \phi + 1) & = 0 & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Let }x = \cos \phi \text{ and rearrange.} \\ 8x^4-3x^3-8x^2+2x+1 & = 0 \end{aligned}

Solving for x x by numerical method, we have:

{ x = 1 ϕ = 0 [ A B C ] = 0 x = 0.265694309 ϕ = 1.839720373 [ A B C ] = 0.303848271 x = 0.5293892 ϕ = 1.012915884 [ A B C ] = 0.870295063 x = 0.888694891 ϕ = 2.665287115 [ A B C ] = 1.196524967 \begin{cases} x = 1 & \implies \phi = 0 & \implies [ABC] = 0 \\ x = -0.265694309 & \implies \phi = 1.839720373 & \implies [ABC] = -0.303848271 \\ x = 0.5293892 & \implies \phi = 1.012915884 & \implies [ABC] = 0.870295063 \\ x = -0.888694891 & \implies \phi = 2.665287115 & \implies [ABC] = 1.196524967 \end{cases}

Therefore, the maximum area of A B C \triangle ABC is 1.196524967 \boxed{1.196524967} .

How about Equilateral triangle? its area is approximately 1.299.

Altan-Ulzii Chuluun - 3 years, 2 months ago

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I thought of that too. But at the angular velocities of A A , B B and C C , an equilateral triangle can never be formed.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 2 months ago

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i see. nice solution.

Altan-Ulzii Chuluun - 3 years, 2 months ago

how did you conclude that?

Aman Verma - 3 years, 2 months ago

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@Aman Verma I plotted the whole graph. If there exists the maximum will be the equilateral triangle. I solve the problem using the graph.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 2 months ago

The periods in a 1:2:3 ratio does not imply the speeds in a 1:2:3 ratio but rather 1:1/2:1/3 or 6:3:2.

If the speeds are in a 1:2:3 ratio then an equilateral triangle can be formed: Multiply by 120 degrees.

It's a good thing we get 3 tries because that was my first try.

Jeremy Galvagni - 3 years, 2 months ago

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That was my first try too xD

You're not alone.

lovro cupic - 3 years, 1 month ago

Did you take into account in the last step that arccos has 2 answers? In this case it worked out because ( sin ( 3 ϕ ) + sin ( ϕ ) sin ( 4 ϕ ) ) \left(\sin (3 \phi) + \sin \left( \phi \right) - \sin \left(4 \phi \right) \right) is symmetric to ϕ = π \phi=\pi (actually to the right of ϕ = π \phi=\pi , it is negative of the left of ϕ = π \phi=\pi , but area is always positive, so it should be the absolute value of the function anyways), so you only have to worry about solutions where ϕ \phi is between 0 and π \pi .

John Ross - 3 years, 2 months ago

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I actually plotted out the entire graph. Yes, there is two solutions but of course one maximum area.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Ok, nice solution by the way. I solved it exactly the same way except I used Gauss's shoelace formula to find the area.

John Ross - 3 years, 2 months ago

I used Heron's formula for the area, but otherwise similar. It appears there is no nice closed form solution for the area, the angles, or the side lengths. If there were someone would have shared it by now. It felt like cheating to solve with a graphing calculator.

Jeremy Galvagni - 3 years, 2 months ago

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You asked for it. Area=(sin(3arccos{1/48 (-10 - (97 (1 + i sqrt(3)))/(199 + 12 i sqrt(6063))^(1/3) + i (sqrt(3) + i) (199 + 12 i sqrt(6063))^(1/3))})+ sin(arccos{1/48 (-10 - (97 (1 + i sqrt(3)))/(199 + 12 i sqrt(6063))^(1/3) + i (sqrt(3) + i) (199 + 12 i sqrt(6063))^(1/3))}) -sin(4arccos{1/48 (-10 - (97 (1 + i sqrt(3)))/(199 + 12 i sqrt(6063))^(1/3) + i (sqrt(3) + i) (199 + 12 i sqrt(6063))^(1/3))}))/2 Ok fine, so it's not a nice closed form.

John Ross - 3 years, 2 months ago

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Lol. Did that by hand, did you?

Actually, you can see what looks like the solution to a cubic or quartic equation, but with all the sines and arccosines.

Jeremy Galvagni - 3 years, 2 months ago

I got the area as A = ( sin 4 x sin 3 x sin x ) / 2 A=(\sin 4x - \sin 3x -\sin x)/2 . The extrema are at 4 cos 4 x 3 cos 3 x cos x = 0 4 \cos 4x -3 \cos 3x- \cos x=0 , solved it with Wolfram Alpha. The solutions are coming in the form of x = n π x=n\pi , x = 2 ( n π ± 0.5064 ) x=2(n\pi\pm 0.5064) and x = 2 ( n π ± 0.09199 ) x=2(n\pi\pm0.09199) .

Laszlo Mihaly - 3 years, 2 months ago
David Wilbanks
Apr 9, 2018

Using Desmos, I animated the graph of the area of the triangle and synced it up with the moving points. Great solution!

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/dravidum7e

Andy Ennaco - 3 years, 2 months ago

I did it almost identically to you. Thanks for posting.

David Richner - 3 years, 2 months ago

Given the Coordinates of a triangle Area = [(x2-x1)(y3-y1)-(x3-1)(y2-y1)]/2 No need for heron's formula :)

Patrick He - 3 years, 1 month ago
小渊 Xyz
Apr 8, 2018

既然周期之比为1:2:3,速度比为6:3:2。

现在换参考系,假设速度为3的点为静止,那么其他两个点的速度为3和-1,相等时间内划过的角度为3:-1。

我们知道,三角形面积公式S=ab sinC/2,那么既然三角形内接于单位圆,不妨将三个顶点与圆心相连,将三角形表示为三个三角形面积之和,即:

S=(sinx+sin3x+sin(2π-4x))/2 =(sinx+sin3x-sin4x)/2

分析这个函数,找到在2π内的极大值:1.196525

Of course... That's exactly what I was thinking.

Tomás Hirmas - 3 years, 1 month ago

Loved the approach! Thanks!

Skanda Prasad - 3 years, 1 month ago

Kuch samajh nahi aa raha hai

Ankit Sharma - 3 years, 1 month ago

I Think 接于单位圆,不妨将三个顶点与圆心相连,将三角形表示为三个三角形 Was a genious idea!!!

Edoardo Bonetti - 3 years ago
Lior Weintraub
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import numpy as np

s_max = 0.0
ta = np.arange(0.0,6.0,0.001) # 0 to 6 sec in steps of 0.001
pi2 = 2*np.pi 

for t in ta: 
    a = (np.cos(t/1*pi2), np.sin(t/1*pi2))
    b = (np.cos(t/2*pi2), np.sin(t/2*pi2))
    c = (np.cos(t/3*pi2), np.sin(t/3*pi2))
    s = abs(0.5*(a[0]*(b[1]-c[1])+b[0]*(c[1]-a[1])+c[0]*(a[1]-b[1])))
    if(s > s_max):
        s_max = s

print ("max area: ",s_max)

> max area: 1.196524791219177

I haven't heard numpy before, what is it?

Ong Zi Qian - 3 years, 1 month ago

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A module for python that adds a lot of math relates things such as matrices

Alexander Gibson - 3 years, 1 month ago

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Oh, I have only heard modules of math before.

Ong Zi Qian - 3 years, 1 month ago
Elijah Ensley
Apr 13, 2018

We begin by finding expressions to describe the location of each point at any given time.

We find that the coordinates of point A \textcolor{#3D99F6}{A} are described by ( cos 2 π t , sin 2 π t ) (\cos2\pi t,\sin2\pi t) , point B \textcolor{#D61F06}{B} by ( cos π t , sin π t ) (\cos\pi t,\sin\pi t) , and point C \textcolor{#20A900}{C} by ( cos 2 π 3 t , sin 2 π 3 t ) (\cos\frac{2\pi}{3}t,\sin\frac{2\pi}{3}t) , where t t is equal to time, in seconds, after the initial moment where all three points were at the same location. (Note: This is working in radians, not degrees.)

Using this information, we can now find functions to describe the distance between each pair of points (or the length of each side of the triangle) at any given time.

The distance between two points on a graph is described by ( x 2 x 1 ) 2 + ( y 2 y 1 ) 2 \sqrt{(x_{2}-x_{1})^{2}+(y_{2}-y_{1})^{2}} .

Plugging in our expressions for the locations of each point, we find that the distance between points A \textcolor{#3D99F6}{A} and B \textcolor{#D61F06}{B} is described by a ( t ) = ( cos t cos 2 π t ) 2 + ( sin t sin 2 π t ) 2 a(t)=\sqrt{(\cos t-\cos2\pi t)^{2}+(\sin t-\sin2\pi t)^{2}} , points A \textcolor{#3D99F6}{A} and C \textcolor{#20A900}{C} by b ( t ) = ( cos 2 π 3 t cos 2 π t ) 2 + ( sin 2 π 3 t sin 2 π t ) 2 b(t)=\sqrt{(\cos\frac{2\pi}{3}t-\cos2\pi t)^{2}+(\sin\frac{2\pi}{3}t-\sin2\pi t)^{2}} , and points B \textcolor{#D61F06}{B} and C \textcolor{#20A900}{C} by c ( t ) = ( cos 2 π 3 t cos t ) 2 + ( sin 2 π 3 t sin t ) 2 c(t)=\sqrt{(\cos\frac{2\pi}{3}t-\cos t)^{2}+(\sin\frac{2\pi}{3}t-\sin t)^{2}} .

Now that we have have described the length of each side of the triangle, we can use Heron's formula to find the area of the triangle at any given time.

Heron's formula states that the area of a triangle is described by s ( s a ) ( s b ) ( s c ) \sqrt{s(s-a)(s-b)(s-c)} , where a a , b b , and c c are the lengths of the sides of the triangle, and s s is the semiperimeter of the triangle, which is described by s = a + b + c 2 s=\frac{a+b+c}{2} .

First we create a function to describe the semiperimeter by plugging in our functions for the length of each side of the triangle into the formula, creating s ( t ) = a ( t ) + b ( t ) + c ( t ) 2 s(t)=\frac{a(t)+b(t)+c(t)}{2} .

Now we plug all of our functions into Heron's formula, resulting in f ( t ) = s ( t ) ( s ( t ) a ( t ) ) ( s ( t ) b ( t ) ) ( s ( t ) c ( t ) ) f(t)=\sqrt{s(t)(s(t)-a(t))(s(t)-b(t))(s(t)-c(t))}

This function models the area of our triangle A B C \textcolor{#3D99F6}{A}\textcolor{#D61F06}{B}\textcolor{#20A900}{C} over time.

Now we simply find the maximum of the function.

The maximum area of the triangle is about 1.1965 1.1965 , and occurs for the first time at about 2.545 2.545 seconds after the initial point, and for the second time at at about 3.455 3.455 seconds after the initial point.

Jc 506881
Apr 12, 2018

Here is an outline of the approach I used: Let A = ( cos ( 2 π t ) , sin ( 2 π t ) ) A = (\cos(2\pi t), \sin(2\pi t)) , B = ( cos ( π t ) , sin ( π t ) ) B = (\cos(\pi t), \sin(\pi t)) and C = ( cos ( 2 π t 3 ) , sin ( 2 π t 3 ) ) C = (\cos(\frac{2\pi t}{3}), \sin(\frac{2\pi t}{3})) and let A r e a ( t ) Area(t) be the area of triangle A B C ABC at time t t .

The triangle A B C ABC is one half of the parallelogram spanned by the vectors B A B-A and C A C-A , so:

A r e a ( t ) = 1 2 det ( B A , C A ) = 1 2 cos ( π t ) cos ( 2 π t ) cos ( 2 π t 3 ) cos ( 2 π t ) sin ( π t ) sin ( 2 π t ) sin ( 2 π t 3 ) sin ( 2 π t ) \begin{aligned} Area(t) &= \frac{1}{2} \det (B-A, C-A) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} \begin{vmatrix} \cos(\pi t) - \cos(2\pi t) & \cos(\frac{2\pi t}{3}) - \cos(2\pi t) \\ \sin(\pi t) - \sin(2\pi t) & \sin(\frac{2\pi t}{3}) - \sin(2\pi t) \end{vmatrix} \end{aligned} After some calculation we get A r e a ( t ) = 1 2 ( sin ( π t 3 ) sin ( π t ) + sin ( 4 π t 3 ) ) Area(t) = \frac{1}{2}(-\sin(\frac{\pi t}{3}) - \sin(\pi t) + \sin(\frac{4 \pi t}{3})) . From here, we can proceed to find the maximum in the usual way, by setting d d t A r e a ( t ) = 0 \frac{d}{dt}Area(t) = 0 , and so on.

Filip Kramaric
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import numpy as np
import math
def area(a, b, c):
    return abs(0.5*((a[0]*(b[1]-c[1]))+(b[0]*(c[1]-a[1]))+(c[0]*(a[1]-b[1]))))
def coordinates(n):
    global a
    global b
    global c
    a = [round(math.sin(asp*n),10),round(math.cos(asp*n),10)]
    b = [round(math.sin(bsp*n),10),round(math.cos(bsp*n),10)]
    c = [round(math.sin(csp*n),10),round(math.cos(csp*n),10)]
x = 0
a = [0,0]
b = [0,0]
c = [0,0]
pi = math.pi
asp = 2*pi
bsp = pi
csp = 2*pi/3
for n in range(6001):
    coordinates(n/1000)
    x = max(x, area(a, b, c))
print(x)

Simple and elegant.

lovro cupic - 3 years, 1 month ago
Calvin Osborne
Apr 10, 2018

I originally used the exact same method as David Wilbanks, but I ended up finding a way that is easier than the distance formula to find the distance between any pair of the three points. Lets call the measure of the central angle that intercepts the starting point and point C {\color{#20A900}C} 's current position θ \theta . The central angle that intercepts the starting point and angle A {\color{#3D99F6}A} 's current position can be written as 3 θ 3\theta , and similarly this angle for point B {\color{#D61F06}B} is 3 θ 2 \frac{3\theta}{2} .

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If we think about the triangle that is formed with any two points and the center of the unit circle, we can use the law of cosines to find the distance between the points. In the case of point A {\color{#3D99F6}A} and point C {\color{#20A900}C} , we can first find that central angle that falls in the triangle is 2 θ 2 \theta , and using the law of cosines, we can now say that,

( d A , C ) 2 = 2 2 cos 2 θ (d_{A, C})^2 = 2 - 2 \cos 2 \theta .

This formula isn't wonderful to look at, so we can use some trigonometric identities to rewrite this as,

( d A , C ) 2 = 4 ( 1 cos 2 θ 2 ) (d_{A, C})^2 = 4(\frac{1 - \cos 2 \theta}{2}) ,

d A , C = 2 ( 1 cos 2 θ 2 ) d_{A, C} = 2\sqrt{(\frac{1 - \cos 2 \theta}{2}}) ,

d A , C = 2 sin θ d_{A, C} = 2 \sin \theta .

You can try using the same method for the other two selections of points, but the distances between the points end up being,

d A , B = 2 sin θ 4 d_{A, B} = 2 \sin \frac{\theta}{4} , and

d B , C = 2 sin 3 θ 4 d_{B, C} = 2 \sin \frac{3 \theta}{4} .

Now we can use the Heron's formula to find the equation for the area of the triangle formed by the three points in any possible orientation, which is,

A = ( sin θ + sin θ 4 + sin 3 θ 4 ) ( sin θ + sin θ 4 + sin 3 θ 4 ) ( sin θ sin θ 4 + sin 3 θ 4 ) ( sin θ + sin θ 4 sin 3 θ 4 ) A = \sqrt{(\sin \theta + \sin \frac{\theta}{4} + \sin \frac{3 \theta}{4})(-\sin \theta + \sin \frac{\theta}{4} + \sin \frac{3 \theta}{4})(\sin \theta - \sin \frac{\theta}{4} + \sin \frac{3 \theta}{4})(\sin \theta + \sin \frac{\theta}{4} - \sin \frac{3 \theta}{4})}

Finally, we can graph this equation on a graphing calculator to find the maximum value for the area of the triangle formed by the three points, which is approximately 1.1965249 \boxed{1.1965249} .

I also used almost the exact same method as David Wilbanks, but as I was contemplating the problem during the solving process, I considered changing to something more like what you have posted. Thanks for sharing.

David Richner - 3 years, 2 months ago
Anirudh Agarwal
Apr 13, 2018

Maximum area is for equilateral triangle when the first point rotated by 120 degrees, second by 240 and 3rd by 360 degrees.

This gives the area = ( 3√3 )/4 = 1.2 approx.

Wrong!!! There is no equilateral triangle formed if you take into account the periods of the three points...........See the comments in Sir Chew Seong Cheong's solution.....

Aaghaz Mahajan - 3 years, 1 month ago

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This is in the case of a period 1s, 1/2s and 1/3s. The solution, in that case, is much simpler. However, this case has periods 1, 2s and 3s.

Petr Doležal - 3 years, 1 month ago
Rick Zhou
Apr 12, 2018

You need the radius of the circle to solve this. Since $A=\frac {abc}{4R}$ and any such triangle has the same $R$, we need to maximize the product of the sides. This is attained when we have an equilateral triangle, which can indeed be made (as when the first particle has gone $\frac {1}{3} $ the way around, the second has gone $\frac {2}{3} $ the way, and the third has gone all the way around). Then we can use $A=\frac{1}{2}ab\sin {\theta} $ to calculate the area of one of the three identical triangles formed when you connect the center of the equilateral triangle to the vertices. This yields $3\cdot\frac {1}{2}(r)(r)(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2})=\boxed {\frac {3r^2\sqrt {3}} {4}}$

Laszlo Mihaly
Apr 12, 2018

I got the area as A = ( sin 4 x sin 3 x sin x ) / 2 A=(\sin 4x - \sin 3x -\sin x)/2 . The extrema are at 4 cos 4 x 3 cos 3 x cos x = 0 4 \cos 4x -3 \cos 3x- \cos x=0 , solved it with Wolfram Alpha. The solutions are coming in the form of x = n π x=n\pi , x = 2 ( n π ± 0.5064 ) x=2(n\pi\pm 0.5064) and x = 2 ( n π ± 0.09199 ) x=2(n\pi\pm0.09199) . Once we calculate the area for a few of these solutions, we can identify the maximum.

I use GSP - with the three dots A, B, C moving in different speed (1s, 2s, 3s), start at the same point on a circle with radius 1 cm (=1 unit?). The maximum area of ABC obtained is 1.29. Where did i go wrong in constructing the circle and the points that it did not give the answer 1.19?

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