Two girls run in opposite directions on a circular track, starting at diametrically opposite points. They both run at a constant speed. They first meet after the first girl has run 100 meters. The next meeting is after the second girl has run 150 meters past their first meeting point. What is the length of the track in meters?
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Very nice indeed!
Wow, very smart! Incredibly elegant!
That... was really nice.
no, the first girl does not run 200 meters between the two meetings, she runs 150 meters between the first meeting point and the second meeting point. "The next meeting is after the second girl has run 150 meters past their first meeting point. " since they are both running at constant speed, the first girl has to run the same distance after the first meeting point as compared to the second girl
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The two girls do not have the same speed.
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in the question, it says they they run at "a constant speed". Wouldn't that imply that they run at the same speed? Especially, since it says "a" constant speed (singular).
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@Sandesh PauDell – If they ran at the same speed, then their next meeting place would have been 200 meters past the first meeting point, not 150 meters.
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@Sherry Sarkar – my point exactly, so i think they must review the wording of this question.
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@Sandesh PauDell – "Constant" speed here refers to "not changing in time". The girls' speeds are not presumed to be the same. This is actually a standard wording in this sort of problems. If the girls were known to run at the same speed, one would say that they run as "the same constant speed".
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@Alexander Borisov – Yes, but Sandesh's argument is that the question says "a constant speed" rather than "constant speeds", implying that their speed is the same.
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@Zachary Chase – Yes, I agree with you and Sandesh, the plurals would have been better.
question printed is wrong..because the question exactly don't have answer...
Nice Solution .Its like two people are eating at first half of a cake and then eat a whole cake so the time must be twice as you say.
Question kind of hazy
This solution is simple and elegant. Nice one!
Great solution.
Nice solution! Voted up!
Oh Andres, I see you used my method that I told you about.
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I literally just explained this to you on Faceboo... Don't even try.
Kindly draw the track & explain
Let the track have length L . Since the girls start at opposite points on the track, they run a combined distance of 2 L meters (half the length of the track) to get to their first meeting point, so the first girl runs 1 0 0 meters and the second girl runs 2 L − 1 0 0 meters. Then, to get to their second meeting point, they run a combined distance of L meters (the whole track's length), so the first girl runs L − 1 5 0 meters while the second girl runs 1 5 0 meters.
Because the two girls run at constant speeds, the ratios of their distances traveled must be equal. (For example, if the second girl is always twice as fast as the first girl, then both between the start & the first meeting point and between the first and second meeting points, the second girl must run twice as far as the first girl.) We must have 2 L − 1 0 0 1 0 0 = 1 5 0 L − 1 5 0 .
Cross-multiplying, we have 1 5 0 0 0 = 2 L 2 − 1 7 5 L + 1 5 0 0 0 , or 0 = 2 L 2 − 1 7 5 L . Multiplying by 2 gives 0 = L 2 − 3 5 0 L , which factors as 0 = L ( L − 3 5 0 ) . Therefore, since clearly L = 0 , the length of the track must be L = 3 5 0 m .
Kindly draw the Track and explain
Good explanation
Problem Source : 2004 AMC 12A
http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/2004 AMC 10A Problems/Problem 17
Well worked out solution, thanks!
i think the question itself is flawed. If the first girl runs 100 meters, the second girl must also run 100 meters because they are running at constant speed. Since this is half a circle, the distance of the entire track must be 400 meters. the second part of the question, that they meet after 150 meters makes no sense. Please draw out the circle and u will see what i mean.
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Well, the two girls do not have the same speed, they just have a constant speed.
clever trick indeed of taking ratio ....
i did the same way
This is what i did, and this is why it is voted up, .... well done
Instead of bashing this with algebra, let's think about it.
When they ran the first time, they ran a total of 2 1 of the track and the first girl ran 1 0 0 m. When they met the second time, they ran the length of the entire track and the second girl ran 1 5 0 m of it and the first girl must have ran 1 0 0 ⋅ 2 = 2 0 0 m of it (since this length is twice the length of the previous length so she would've ran twice the distance). Hence the length of the track is 1 5 0 + 2 0 0 = 3 5 0 m.
Algebra is how I did mine but this is a great solution ;]
Let the radius of the circular track be r . Let the speed of the first girl be v 1 and the speed of the second be v 2 .
Since they both started running towards each other at the same time, initially separated at a distance of π r , the time that they took to run to the first meeting point is the same.
The first girl ran 1 0 0 m while the second girl ran ( π r − 1 0 0 ) m .
⟹ t 1 = v 1 1 0 0 = v 2 π r − 1 0 0
⟹ v 2 v 1 = π r − 1 0 0 1 0 0
Now, let us consider the second meeting. Here, the second girl ran 1 5 0 m while the first ran ( 2 π r − 1 5 0 ) m in the same time, still at the same speeds.
⟹ t 2 = v 2 1 5 0 = v 1 2 π r − 1 5 0
⟹ v 2 v 1 = 1 5 0 2 π r − 1 5 0
Equating the ratios of their speeds ( v 2 v 1 ):
⟹ π r − 1 0 0 1 0 0 = 1 5 0 2 π r − 1 5 0
⟹ 2 π 2 r 2 − 3 5 0 π r = 0
⟹ 2 π r = 3 5 0
this was what i was trying to get i tried this way but ended to nothing bcoz of not using t1 and t2 in terms of v1 and v2... good
Main idea : The two girls combined trace a half-circle before the first meeting and then a full circle between the first meeting and the second meeting.
Complete proof :
Call the two girls A , B respectively. Change the frame of reference to stick with the first runner. This way, the first runner is considered stationary and the second runner has their combined speed; call this second girl C .
C runs half a circle to meet with the first runner, and then another full circle to meet again the second time. Let the times be t 0 , t 1 , t 2 for the initial run, the first meeting, and the second meeting respectively. Since C takes twice the distance of the first meeting to meet the second time, it follows that t 2 − t 1 = 2 ( t 1 − t 0 ) . Also, WLOG assume that t 0 = 0 , t 1 = 1 , so t 2 = 3 .
A runs 1 0 0 meters per unit of time (between t 0 and t 1 ). B runs 1 5 0 meters for 2 units of time (between t 1 and t 2 ), or 7 5 meters per unit of time. Combined, their total speed is 1 7 5 meters per unit of time, which is also the speed of C. Since C takes 2 units of time to circle the track, it follows that the length of the track is 1 7 5 ⋅ 2 = 3 5 0 meters.
Motivation : To be fair I've seen this kind of problems before, so I know the method that doesn't involve messy algebra. I didn't change the frame of reference when solving, and instead think "the two girls combined trace this much distance before the first meeting" and so, but it's equally messy to write for this solution, so why not.
Generalization : As the problem is worded now, if the first girl runs for x meters before the first meeting and the second girl runs for y meters after the first meeting but before the second meeting, then the answer is 2 x + y meters. By manipulating other things (they run in the same direction, they start at a different angle than π radians from the center, there are more than two girls), there can be much more variations, which mostly follow the same basic idea.
Nice analysis
First time they run half of the circumference. Second time they run full circumference.
First time first runs 100 meters, thus second time she runs 2*100 = 200 meters.
Since second time (when they run full cimcufrence) Brenda runs 200 meters and secound runs 150 meters, thus the circumference is 200 + 150 = 350 meters
1st meeting point: Velocity of girl 1 =100/t, Velocity of girl 2=Pi r/t 2nd meeting point: Velocity of girl 1 =(2Pi r-150)/t', Velocity of girl 2=150/t' taking ratios of velocities and equating them for 1st meeting point and second meeting point, we get the value of Pi*r=175 or circumference=350!
First, we note that the ratio of the distances traveled is constant. Thus we get that 1 0 0 l / 2 − 1 0 0 = l − 1 5 0 1 5 0 3 0 0 0 0 = ( l / 2 − 1 0 0 ) ( l − 1 5 0 ) = l 2 − 3 5 0 + 3 0 0 0 0 l 2 − 3 5 0 l = 0 l = 3 5 0
Let the track length be L, speed of the girls be x1 and x2. Equating time for the first meeting, 100/x1=(L/2-100)/x2 Equating time for the second meeting, (L-150)/x1=150/x2 Eliminating x1 and x2, solve for L. L^2 - 350L = 0 L=350
Let u and v be the velocities of two girls. t be the time after which they meet for first time After first meet ut = 100 πr =ut +vt πr = 100 +vt .........1
Now lets look at the situation from 1st point of meeting. Now the time taken by them to cover half of perimeter is t. Then time taken by them to cover the whole cirlce is 2t The distance moved by both girls when they meet at 2nd point(from first point) is perimeter of circle we have v(2t) = 150...................2
solving 1 and 2, vt = 75 there fore πr = 100+75 2πr = 350
Let Track Length = L, v1 = Speed of first girl, v2 = Speed of second girl and t=time till first meeting. 100 = v1 t and (L/2 - 100) =v2 t or v2 =(L/2 - 100) v1/100. From the second meeting, 150 100/(v1)(L/2-100) =(L-150)/v1, Solve to get, L= 0 or 350 met; hence the latter.
Call the length of the race track x. When they meet at the first meeting point, the first girl has run 100 meters, while the second girl has run (x/2)-100 meters. By the second meeting point, she has run 150 meters, while the first girl has run x - 150 meters. Since they run at a constant speed, we can set up a proportion: (100/(x-150))=(x/2-100)/150. Cross-multiplying, we get that x=350m
First, let the first girl be A and second girl be B and the circumference of the track be c. In the first time interval, girl A ran 100 meters while girl B ran half of the track minus 100 meters (c/2-100). In the second time interval, girl A ran the whole track minus 150 meters (c-150), while girl B ran 150 meters.
Since the two girls run at constant speed, we can set up equivalent proportion of the distance they traveled during the same amount of time. These are the ratio we have got with B:A,
c/2-100: 100
150: c-150
Next, set up a proportion with B over A:
(c/2-100)/100 = 150/(c-150)
After simplifying, we get a quadratic equation:
c^{2} - 350c = 0
c(c-350)=0
c=350
Therefore, the track is 350 meters.
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Because the girls together run half of the track between the start and the first meeting and the whole track between the first and second meetings and they are running at constant speeds, the time between meetings must be twice that between the start and the first meeting. The first girl then runs 200 meters between the two meetings. Hence, between the two meetings, the girls run 2 0 0 + 1 5 0 = 3 5 0 meters: one track length.