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Two girls run in opposite directions on a circular track, starting at diametrically opposite points. They both run at a constant speed. They first meet after the first girl has run 100 meters. The next meeting is after the second girl has run 150 meters past their first meeting point. What is the length of the track in meters?


The answer is 350.

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15 solutions

Andres Saez
Dec 25, 2013

Because the girls together run half of the track between the start and the first meeting and the whole track between the first and second meetings and they are running at constant speeds, the time between meetings must be twice that between the start and the first meeting. The first girl then runs 200 meters between the two meetings. Hence, between the two meetings, the girls run 200 + 150 = 350 200+150=\boxed{350} meters: one track length.

Very nice indeed!

Alexander Borisov - 7 years, 5 months ago

Wow, very smart! Incredibly elegant!

Michael Tang - 7 years, 5 months ago

That... was really nice.

Sherry Sarkar - 7 years, 5 months ago

no, the first girl does not run 200 meters between the two meetings, she runs 150 meters between the first meeting point and the second meeting point. "The next meeting is after the second girl has run 150 meters past their first meeting point. " since they are both running at constant speed, the first girl has to run the same distance after the first meeting point as compared to the second girl

Sandesh PauDell - 7 years, 5 months ago

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The two girls do not have the same speed.

Sherry Sarkar - 7 years, 5 months ago

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in the question, it says they they run at "a constant speed". Wouldn't that imply that they run at the same speed? Especially, since it says "a" constant speed (singular).

Sandesh PauDell - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Sandesh PauDell If they ran at the same speed, then their next meeting place would have been 200 meters past the first meeting point, not 150 meters.

Sherry Sarkar - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Sherry Sarkar my point exactly, so i think they must review the wording of this question.

Sandesh PauDell - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Sandesh PauDell "Constant" speed here refers to "not changing in time". The girls' speeds are not presumed to be the same. This is actually a standard wording in this sort of problems. If the girls were known to run at the same speed, one would say that they run as "the same constant speed".

Alexander Borisov - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Alexander Borisov Yes, but Sandesh's argument is that the question says "a constant speed" rather than "constant speeds", implying that their speed is the same.

Zachary Chase - 7 years, 5 months ago

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@Zachary Chase Yes, I agree with you and Sandesh, the plurals would have been better.

Alexander Borisov - 7 years, 5 months ago

question printed is wrong..because the question exactly don't have answer...

sudhir kumar - 7 years, 4 months ago

Nice Solution .Its like two people are eating at first half of a cake and then eat a whole cake so the time must be twice as you say.

Mouad Elassadi - 7 years, 5 months ago

Question kind of hazy

Adithya Nataraj - 7 years, 5 months ago

This solution is simple and elegant. Nice one!

Ray John Pamillo - 7 years, 4 months ago

Great solution.

Shashank Rammoorthy - 6 years, 10 months ago

Nice solution! Voted up!

Happy Melodies - 7 years, 5 months ago

Oh Andres, I see you used my method that I told you about.

Vishnu Kulkarni - 7 years, 5 months ago

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I literally just explained this to you on Faceboo... Don't even try.

Andres Saez - 7 years, 5 months ago

Kindly draw the track & explain

Abu Asif - 7 years, 5 months ago
Michael Tang
Dec 25, 2013

Let the track have length L . L. Since the girls start at opposite points on the track, they run a combined distance of L 2 \dfrac L2 meters (half the length of the track) to get to their first meeting point, so the first girl runs 100 100 meters and the second girl runs L 2 100 \dfrac L2 - 100 meters. Then, to get to their second meeting point, they run a combined distance of L L meters (the whole track's length), so the first girl runs L 150 L - 150 meters while the second girl runs 150 150 meters.

Because the two girls run at constant speeds, the ratios of their distances traveled must be equal. (For example, if the second girl is always twice as fast as the first girl, then both between the start & the first meeting point and between the first and second meeting points, the second girl must run twice as far as the first girl.) We must have 100 L 2 100 = L 150 150 . \dfrac{100}{\dfrac L2 - 100} = \dfrac{L-150}{150}.

Cross-multiplying, we have 15000 = L 2 2 175 L + 15000 , 15000 = \dfrac{L^2}{2} - 175L + 15000, or 0 = L 2 2 175 L . 0 = \dfrac{L^2}{2} - 175L. Multiplying by 2 2 gives 0 = L 2 350 L , 0 = L^2 - 350L, which factors as 0 = L ( L 350 ) . 0 = L(L-350). Therefore, since clearly L 0 , L \neq 0, the length of the track must be L = 350 m . L = \boxed{350} \text{ m}.

Kindly draw the Track and explain

Abu Asif - 7 years, 5 months ago

Good explanation

RAGHU RAM - 7 years, 5 months ago

Problem Source : 2004 AMC 12A

http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/2004 AMC 10A Problems/Problem 17

Well worked out solution, thanks!

Sherry Sarkar - 7 years, 5 months ago

i think the question itself is flawed. If the first girl runs 100 meters, the second girl must also run 100 meters because they are running at constant speed. Since this is half a circle, the distance of the entire track must be 400 meters. the second part of the question, that they meet after 150 meters makes no sense. Please draw out the circle and u will see what i mean.

Sandesh PauDell - 7 years, 5 months ago

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Well, the two girls do not have the same speed, they just have a constant speed.

Sherry Sarkar - 7 years, 5 months ago

clever trick indeed of taking ratio ....

Anant Kumar Singh - 7 years, 5 months ago

i did the same way

Vaibhav Agarwal - 7 years, 3 months ago

This is what i did, and this is why it is voted up, .... well done

Aryaman Maheshwari - 7 years, 5 months ago
Tom Zhou
Dec 26, 2013

Instead of bashing this with algebra, let's think about it.

When they ran the first time, they ran a total of 1 2 \frac{1}{2} of the track and the first girl ran 100 100 m. When they met the second time, they ran the length of the entire track and the second girl ran 150 150 m of it and the first girl must have ran 100 2 = 200 100\cdot2=200 m of it (since this length is twice the length of the previous length so she would've ran twice the distance). Hence the length of the track is 150 + 200 = 350 150+200=\boxed{350} m.

Algebra is how I did mine but this is a great solution ;]

Muhammad Shariq - 7 years, 5 months ago
Raj Magesh
Jan 1, 2014

Let the radius of the circular track be r r . Let the speed of the first girl be v 1 v_1 and the speed of the second be v 2 v_2 .

Since they both started running towards each other at the same time, initially separated at a distance of π r \pi r , the time that they took to run to the first meeting point is the same.

The first girl ran 100 m 100m while the second girl ran ( π r 100 ) m (\pi r - 100)m .

t 1 = 100 v 1 = π r 100 v 2 \Longrightarrow t_1 = \dfrac{100}{v_1} = \dfrac{\pi r - 100}{v_2}

v 1 v 2 = 100 π r 100 \Longrightarrow \dfrac{v_1}{v_2} = \dfrac{100}{\pi r - 100}

Now, let us consider the second meeting. Here, the second girl ran 150 m 150m while the first ran ( 2 π r 150 ) m (2 \pi r - 150)m in the same time, still at the same speeds.

t 2 = 150 v 2 = 2 π r 150 v 1 \Longrightarrow t_2 = \dfrac{150}{v_2} = \dfrac{2 \pi r -150}{v_1}

v 1 v 2 = 2 π r 150 150 \Longrightarrow \dfrac{v_1}{v_2} = \dfrac{2 \pi r - 150}{150}

Equating the ratios of their speeds ( v 1 v 2 \frac{v_1}{v_2} ):

100 π r 100 = 2 π r 150 150 \Longrightarrow \dfrac{100}{\pi r - 100} = \dfrac{2 \pi r - 150}{150}

2 π 2 r 2 350 π r = 0 \Longrightarrow 2 \pi^{2} r^{2} - 350 \pi r = 0

2 π r = 350 \Longrightarrow 2\pi r = \boxed{350}

this was what i was trying to get i tried this way but ended to nothing bcoz of not using t1 and t2 in terms of v1 and v2... good

Anant Kumar Singh - 7 years, 5 months ago
Ivan Koswara
Dec 25, 2013

Main idea : The two girls combined trace a half-circle before the first meeting and then a full circle between the first meeting and the second meeting.

Complete proof :

Call the two girls A , B A, B respectively. Change the frame of reference to stick with the first runner. This way, the first runner is considered stationary and the second runner has their combined speed; call this second girl C C .

C runs half a circle to meet with the first runner, and then another full circle to meet again the second time. Let the times be t 0 , t 1 , t 2 t_0, t_1, t_2 for the initial run, the first meeting, and the second meeting respectively. Since C takes twice the distance of the first meeting to meet the second time, it follows that t 2 t 1 = 2 ( t 1 t 0 ) t_2 - t_1 = 2(t_1 - t_0) . Also, WLOG assume that t 0 = 0 , t 1 = 1 t_0 = 0, t_1 = 1 , so t 2 = 3 t_2 = 3 .

A runs 100 100 meters per unit of time (between t 0 t_0 and t 1 t_1 ). B runs 150 150 meters for 2 2 units of time (between t 1 t_1 and t 2 t_2 ), or 75 75 meters per unit of time. Combined, their total speed is 175 175 meters per unit of time, which is also the speed of C. Since C takes 2 2 units of time to circle the track, it follows that the length of the track is 175 2 = 350 175 \cdot 2 = \boxed{350} meters.

Motivation : To be fair I've seen this kind of problems before, so I know the method that doesn't involve messy algebra. I didn't change the frame of reference when solving, and instead think "the two girls combined trace this much distance before the first meeting" and so, but it's equally messy to write for this solution, so why not.

Generalization : As the problem is worded now, if the first girl runs for x x meters before the first meeting and the second girl runs for y y meters after the first meeting but before the second meeting, then the answer is 2 x + y 2x+y meters. By manipulating other things (they run in the same direction, they start at a different angle than π \pi radians from the center, there are more than two girls), there can be much more variations, which mostly follow the same basic idea.

Nice analysis

John M. - 7 years, 5 months ago
Mansoor Afridi
Jan 22, 2014

First time they run half of the circumference. Second time they run full circumference.

First time first runs 100 meters, thus second time she runs 2*100 = 200 meters.

Since second time (when they run full cimcufrence) Brenda runs 200 meters and secound runs 150 meters, thus the circumference is 200 + 150 = 350 meters

Ajith Gade
Mar 23, 2014

2(50+75)

Kalyan Pakala
Jan 14, 2014

1st meeting point: Velocity of girl 1 =100/t, Velocity of girl 2=Pi r/t 2nd meeting point: Velocity of girl 1 =(2Pi r-150)/t', Velocity of girl 2=150/t' taking ratios of velocities and equating them for 1st meeting point and second meeting point, we get the value of Pi*r=175 or circumference=350!

Angelica Ermino
Jan 13, 2014

100+(100+150)=350

Jeremi Litarowicz
Jan 12, 2014

First, we note that the ratio of the distances traveled is constant. Thus we get that l / 2 100 100 = 150 l 150 \frac{l/2 - 100}{100}=\frac{150}{l-150} 30000 = ( l / 2 100 ) ( l 150 ) = l 2 350 + 30000 30000 = (l/2-100)(l-150) = l^{2}-350+30000 l 2 350 l = 0 l^{2}-350 l=0 l = 350 l=\boxed{350}

R D
Jan 10, 2014

Let the track length be L, speed of the girls be x1 and x2. Equating time for the first meeting, 100/x1=(L/2-100)/x2 Equating time for the second meeting, (L-150)/x1=150/x2 Eliminating x1 and x2, solve for L. L^2 - 350L = 0 L=350

Maithresh Pmr
Jan 9, 2014

Let u and v be the velocities of two girls. t be the time after which they meet for first time After first meet ut = 100 πr =ut +vt πr = 100 +vt .........1

Now lets look at the situation from 1st point of meeting. Now the time taken by them to cover half of perimeter is t. Then time taken by them to cover the whole cirlce is 2t The distance moved by both girls when they meet at 2nd point(from first point) is perimeter of circle we have v(2t) = 150...................2

solving 1 and 2, vt = 75 there fore πr = 100+75 2πr = 350

Ajit Athle
Dec 28, 2013

Let Track Length = L, v1 = Speed of first girl, v2 = Speed of second girl and t=time till first meeting. 100 = v1 t and (L/2 - 100) =v2 t or v2 =(L/2 - 100) v1/100. From the second meeting, 150 100/(v1)(L/2-100) =(L-150)/v1, Solve to get, L= 0 or 350 met; hence the latter.

Antony Diaz
Dec 27, 2013

Call the length of the race track x. When they meet at the first meeting point, the first girl has run 100 meters, while the second girl has run (x/2)-100 meters. By the second meeting point, she has run 150 meters, while the first girl has run x - 150 meters. Since they run at a constant speed, we can set up a proportion: (100/(x-150))=(x/2-100)/150. Cross-multiplying, we get that x=350m

Samuel Wong
Dec 27, 2013

First, let the first girl be A and second girl be B and the circumference of the track be c. In the first time interval, girl A ran 100 meters while girl B ran half of the track minus 100 meters (c/2-100). In the second time interval, girl A ran the whole track minus 150 meters (c-150), while girl B ran 150 meters.

Since the two girls run at constant speed, we can set up equivalent proportion of the distance they traveled during the same amount of time. These are the ratio we have got with B:A,

c/2-100: 100

150: c-150

Next, set up a proportion with B over A:

(c/2-100)/100 = 150/(c-150)

After simplifying, we get a quadratic equation:

c^{2} - 350c = 0

c(c-350)=0

c=350

Therefore, the track is 350 meters.

V Nice..

Yashada kolatkar - 7 years, 4 months ago

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