Safe Distance

A car and a truck are traveling in a row at the same speed of 90 km/h.

Suddenly, the car brakes to a complete stop, and then the truck comes to a complete stop to avoid hitting the car. How far apart (in meters) should the two vehicles be so that the truck avoids crashing into the car?

Details and Assumptions:

  • The car takes 40 m to brake to a complete stop, and the truck takes 100 m to brake to a complete stop.
  • The truck driver takes 1.2 seconds to react to the car braking.
  • The front of the truck will just barely touch the back of the car after the truck finishes stopping.

Bonus problem: How big should the safety distance be if the truck drives in front of the car? Assume that the car driver has the same reaction time of 1.2 s.


The answer is 90.

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7 solutions

Relevant wiki: 1D Kinematics Problem Solving

From the figure above, we can see that

d c b + d 0 = d t b + d t r d_{cb} + d_0 = d_{tb} + d_{tr}

where

  • d c b d_{cb} is the car braking distance = 40 m =40 \text{ m} .
  • d 0 d_0 , the safety distance we need to calculate.
  • d t b d_{tb} is the truck braking distance = 100 m =100 \text{ m} .
  • d t r d_{tr} , the distance traveled by the truck during the reaction time of τ = 1.2 s \tau = 1.2 \text{ s} .

During the reaction time, the truck is travelling at v 0 = 90 km/h = 90000 60 × 60 = 25 m/s v_0 = 90 \text{ km/h} = \dfrac {90000}{60 \times 60} = 25 \text{ m/s} . Therefore, the distance traveled by the truck during the reaction time is d t r = v 0 τ = 25 × 1.2 = 30 m d_{tr} = v_0 \tau = 25 \times 1.2 = 30 \text{ m} . And we have d c b + d 0 = d t b + d t r d_{cb} + d_0 = d_{tb} + d_{tr} d 0 = d t b + d t r d c b = 100 + 30 40 = 90 m \implies d_0 = d_{tb} + d_{tr} - d_{cb} = 100+30-40 = \boxed{90} \text{ m} .

The truck's stopping distance is 120 m

Abderrahmane Larchi - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Yeah, just what i was thinking - seems the question is different from the one answered

Chris Wood - 3 years, 4 months ago

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The truck travels 30 meters before starting its stop, and then takes 100 meters to stop, for a total of 130 meters. The car, in that time, takes 40 meters to stop. The difference between the car's stop and the truck's stop is the safe following distance, which is the value asked for in the problem: 90 meters.

Brian Egedy - 3 years, 4 months ago

Hi. The answer I take it is 90 m which I keep trying to enter but the software tells me 90 m is an integer.

Jim Cockburn - 3 years, 4 months ago

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This was my working out once I worked out the truck would stop 60m after the car (which was simple subtraction)
For this working out all I did was work out the values of 1 second thus allowing 1.2 seconds to be easily figured.
Add the value of 1.2 seconds in travel time on to 60 meters. Easy
60 minutes 90km
6minutes 9km
360 seconds 9000m
36 seconds 900m
4seconds 100m
2 seconds 50m
1 second 25m
.2 = 5m
25+5=30
30 + 60 = 90


Jim Cockburn - 3 years, 4 months ago

Are you entering "90 m"? It won't accept that since it is not an integer. It just wants the integer value of the distance in meters, that is "90"

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Yes. The question asks 'How far apart in meters' so I told it how far apart in meters with an M to show meters. An integer is any number without a fractional component (as the web tells me) so an M on the end should not make a difference.

Jim Cockburn - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Jim Cockburn But the system does not take inputs other than numbers.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 4 months ago

@Jim Cockburn The problem states "(in meters)", meaning that's the unit to use. If you enter in 90 m, you are reminded that the "Answer must be an integer", and so you should just enter 90.

Pi Han Goh - 3 years, 4 months ago

Never mind, as long as you know you are right.

Smith Stephen - 3 years, 4 months ago

sir what app did you use for the figure, it's so elegant.

Mehdi K. - 3 years, 4 months ago

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The humble Paint. I just cut the car and truck images from the question and added the arrows and lines and words.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 4 months ago

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well..nice work xD

Mehdi K. - 3 years, 4 months ago

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@Mehdi K. Thanks. The only graphic software that I know.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 3 years, 4 months ago

Well, the question is that why won't the car crash when it's still moving?

Smith Stephen - 3 years, 4 months ago

Why is the "reaction time" affecting the extra distance? The problem states the truck takes 100m to stop. He took an extra 25m to start the completion of the 100m stop. Therefore he will have moved 125m forward. During which the car will have only moved 40m. So the distance between the two would have had to be 85 to barely touch.!?

Steve F - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Given the reaction time, the truck takes an extra 30 meters, not 25 meters, to stop, so it's 130 total, and 90 for a safe following distance.

The reason reaction time is taken into account is because it's a "safe following distance" problem, not a "stopping time" problem.

Brian Egedy - 3 years, 4 months ago
Ziggy Fuchs
Jan 15, 2018

90km/h = 90000m per 3600 seconds = 25m/s

So the truck driver would travel:

(1.2 * 25)m = 30 meters in the time taken to react, and would need at least this much extra distance to slow down, so: 100 + 30 = 130 meters.

BUT the car is also moving during the process, 40 meters on it's own. 130 meters only applies if the car comes to an instant dead stop. While the truck still stops after travelling 130m, relative to the car by the end of it's deceleration, it has only travelled:

130 - 40 = 90m

The question is worded in such a way as to indicate that the answer should not take into account the stopping distance of the car - so the correct answer should be 130m. The question says, and I quote, " the car brakes to a complete stop, and then the truck comes to a complete stop".

Jeff Snoxell - 3 years, 4 months ago

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"How far apart (in meters) should the two vehicles be so that the truck avoids crashing into the car?" That question specifically requires you to include the stopping distance of the car. It's not asking for the truck's stopping distance, it's asking for a minimum safe following distance.

Brian Egedy - 3 years, 4 months ago

Yes, but it does not say that the truck does not start braking until the car comes to a stop.

Bernard Northmore - 3 years, 4 months ago

Relevant wiki: 1D Kinematics Problem Solving

Since the car slows down faster and the truck driver reacts with a delay, the truck is always faster than the car, so that the distance between the two vehicles always decreases. Therefore, it is sufficient to consider the final state in which both vehicles have come to a standstill, since in this case the vehicle distance is minimal. During the braking process, the car sets back a distance s 1 s_1 . Within the reaction time τ \tau the truck continues to run at a constant speed v 0 v_0 and, in addition to the car, covers the distance v 0 τ v_0 \cdot \tau in addition to the braking distance s 2 s_2 . In order in prevent a collision, the safety distance d 0 d_0 must correspond to the distance the truck additionally covers relative to the car: d 0 = s 2 s 1 + v 0 τ = 60 m + 90 1000 m 3600 s 1.2 s = 90 m d_0 = s_2 - s_1 + v_0 \cdot \tau = 60\,\text{m} + 90 \, \frac{1000\,\text{m}}{3600\,\text{s}} \cdot 1.2 \,\text{s} = 90\,\text{m} The other case is more difficult to calculate because the rear vehicle comes to a halt before the first. At the beginning of the braking process, the truck is slower, because the driver of the car only reacts with a delay and decelerates later, so that the vehicle distance is reduced. But as the car slows down much faster, it comes to a halt before the truck, so that the vehicle distance at the end of the braking process increases again. The minimum distance of the vehicle is reached when both have the same speed. We assume that when braking, the speed v v decreases linearly with time, so that there is a constant deceleration a a . The distance traveled thus depends quadratically on the time: v ( t ) = v 0 a t x ( t ) = x 0 + 0 t v ( t ) d t = x 0 + v 0 t a 2 t 2 \begin{aligned} v(t) &= v_0 -a t \\ x(t) &= x_0 + \int_{0}^{t} v(t') dt' = x_0 + v_0 t - \frac{a}{2} t^2 \end{aligned} After a time t = T t = T the vehicle has come to a standstill. With the condition v = 0 v = 0 , the braking distance s s can be determined: v = v 0 a T = ! 0 T = v 0 a s = x ( T ) x ( 0 ) = v 0 T a 2 T 2 = v 0 2 2 a a = v 0 2 2 s T = v 0 a = 2 s v 0 \begin{aligned} v &= v_0 - a T \stackrel{!}{=} 0 & \Rightarrow \quad T &= \frac{v_0}{a} \\ \Rightarrow \quad s &= x(T) - x(0) = v_0 T - \frac{a}{2} T^2 = \frac{v_0^2}{2 a} & \Rightarrow \quad a &= \frac{v_0^2}{2 s} \\ & & \Rightarrow \quad T &= \frac{v_0}{a} = \frac{2 s}{v_0} \end{aligned} This results in braking times of T 1 = 3.2 s T_1 = 3.2 \, \text{s} for the car and T 2 = 8 s T_2 = 8 \, \text{s} for the truck. Within the time range t [ τ , τ + T 2 ] t \in [\tau, \tau + T_2] , the time laws result x 1 ( t ) = v 0 t v 0 2 4 s 1 ( t τ ) 2 , v 1 ( t ) = d x 1 d t = v 0 v 0 2 2 s 1 ( t τ ) x 2 ( t ) = l + d 0 + v 0 t v 0 2 4 s 2 t 2 , v 2 ( t ) = d x 2 d t = v 0 v 0 2 2 s 2 t \begin{aligned} x_1(t) &= v_0 t - \frac{v_0^2}{4 s_1} (t - \tau)^2\,, & v_1(t) &= \frac{dx_1}{dt} = v_0 - \frac{v_0^2}{2 s_1} (t - \tau) \\ x_2(t) &= l + d_0 + v_0 t - \frac{v_0^2}{4 s_2} t^2\,, & v_2(t) &= \frac{dx_2}{dt} = v_0 - \frac{v_0^2}{2 s_2} t \end{aligned} with the length l l of the truck. The condition v 1 = v 2 v_1 = v_2 leads to the time t t^\ast , where the vehicle distance is minimal: v 0 v 0 2 2 s 1 ( t τ ) = v 0 v 0 2 2 s 2 t t = s 2 s 2 s 1 τ \begin{aligned} v_0 - \frac{v_0^2}{2 s_1} (t^\ast - \tau) &= v_0 - \frac{v_0^2}{2 s_2} t^\ast \\ \Rightarrow \quad t^\ast &= \frac{s_2}{s_2 - s_1} \tau \end{aligned} The minimal vehicle distance results d ( t ) = x 2 ( t ) x 1 ( t ) l = d 0 v 0 2 4 s 2 ( t ) 2 + v 0 2 4 s 1 ( t τ ) 2 = d 0 s 2 4 ( s 2 s 1 ) 2 v 0 2 τ 2 + s 1 4 ( s 2 s 1 ) 2 v 0 2 τ 2 = d 0 v 0 2 τ 2 4 ( s 2 s 1 ) \begin{aligned} d(t^\ast) &= x_2(t^\ast) - x_1(t^\ast) - l \\ &= d_0 - \frac{v_0^2}{4 s_2} (t^\ast)^2 + \frac{v_0^2}{4 s_1} (t^\ast - \tau)^2 \\ &= d_0 - \frac{s_2}{4 (s_2 - s_1)^2} v_0^2 \tau^2 + \frac{s_1}{4 (s_2 - s_1)^2} v_0^2 \tau^2 \\ &= d_0 - \frac{v_0^2 \tau^2}{4 (s_2 - s_1)} \end{aligned} The condition d ( t ) 0 d (t^\ast) \geq 0 results in the minimum safety distance to d 0 = v 0 2 τ 2 4 ( s 2 s 1 ) = 3.75 m d_0 = \frac{v_0^2 \tau^2}{4 (s_2 - s_1)} = 3.75 \,\text{m} However, you should not rely on the fact, that the truck in front of you decelarates very slowly. You should keep but at least a distance v 0 τ = 30 m v_0 \tau = 30 \, \text {m} to the front vehicle.

Giving that math is correct I assume you meant to add the 30m traveled in the reaction time plus the distanced traveled while your speed was greater than the trucks. So was your answer 33.75 meters?

Adrian Wilson - 3 years, 4 months ago

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Since the car decelerates faster than the truck, only the distance traveled during the reaction time is relevant. The car may travel 30m in the 1.2s but the truck travels almost as far during initial deceleration.

As the earliest answer, and the only one with the bonus, I'm surprised it didn't get more upvotes. I guess a simple picture is enough eye candy to dazzle the masses.

Chris Arsenault - 3 years, 3 months ago
Bernard Northmore
Jan 17, 2018

Wow - some folk really make it unnecessarily complicated ! KISS - just do it in your head ... how far does the truck travel in the 1.2 second reaction time ? Answer = 1.2x90000/3600 = 1.2x900/36 = 900/30 = 30 metres. If the truck takes 60 metres more than the car to stop, then the answer is very straightforward : 30 metres to react + 60 metres to brake, so answer - 90 metres.

Nice concise solution, Bernard.

Pranshu Gaba - 3 years, 4 months ago
Tarig Mergani
Jan 15, 2018

vc = vt = 90 km/h = 25 m/s

time for car to stop = ts = 40 m / 25 m/s =1.6 s

Total time for truck to stop = tt = 100 m / 25 m/s + 1.2 s = 5.2 s

time taken to travel d0 meter is = tt - tc = 5.2 s - 1.6 s = 3.6 s

d0 = 3.6s * 25 m/s = 90 m

Pankaj Jangra
Jan 19, 2018

The car will travel 40m. So we know that the distance between car and truck would be 40 m plus the given distance also we have been given the reaction time of truck driver so according to that reaction time we can find the distance that the truck will take until it stops by simple calculation we will get that distance to be 30 M. Now in this particular case the stopping distance for the truck becomes 30 +(stopping distance that is) 100 m. Now we know that to get the minimum distance between two vehicles we must equate 40 m+d°=100+30 In solving this we will get d°=90 m That's the answer.

Cameron Nel
Jan 19, 2018

Look at the car and the truck separately in this problem. The car and the truck travels at the same speed, hence this being possible.

The car would take 40 meters to stop, so the distance between the car and the truck would be (x + 40 meters).

The truck, however, does take 1.2 seconds to react to the car's braking. If you convert 90 km/h to m/s, it would be 25 m/s. So if you take 1.2 * 25, the truck would have to be an additional 30 meters away from the car to eliminate the liability from his reaction time.

The truck takes 100 meters to come to a complete stop and the car takes 40 meters. You can now continue to see the equation as one entity to solve the problem. We know that the difference between the car and truck's stopping distance is 60 meters, so the truck would have to be an additional 60 meters behind the car to start off with. Adding up the reaction distance of 30 meters, the total would then be the only two factors added together, totaling 90 meters.

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