2 cm . They are placed vertically, with their apex pointing downwards, and one cone is vertically above the other. At the start, the upper cone is full of water and the lower cone is empty.
There are two identical right circular cones each of heightWater drips down through a hole in the apex of the upper cone into the lower cone. When the height of water in the upper cone is 1 cm , what is the height of water in the lower cone (in cm )?
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Volume of a cone is 1/3.pi.r^2.h. SInce the cone is a right circular cone, r = h,
Please specify this with your solution, it will make it easy to understand. and that single word if missed, changes the whole scenario...:)
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A right circular cone doesn't necessarily have a radius equal to its height. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RightCircularCone.html
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Then iof right cone does not mean r=h, how can the problem be solved?
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@A Former Brilliant Member – because the solution do not depends on r value.
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@Eloy Machado – yeah it doesnt .the problem gives us a hint about the radius since they say the 2 cones are identical
A right circular cone means the radius of the base of the cone is at right angle or perpendicular to its height...It doesn't mean r = h...REFER TO THE SOLUTION POSTED BY ABHISHEK PAUL JUST BELOW to get a clear picture of the question...
had this not been a right circular cone, it would still be cube root of 7.
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very true. Just need to be identical cones (and are!)
need more explanation
Thanks for the extremely clear and elegant solution! :)
marvelous!! I reached the after 10 mins... but a really cool solution
Why did you take 2^3? It isn't a silidar.
superb... James short and easy method I used a longer one
Its pretty easy. Most people will answer it wrongly (if at all) as they assume that the amount of water is same above and below 1 cm(and probably answer 1 ), whereas the cone has a larger volume towards its base (here the top of the cone).
Assume the cone has a radius r and height h . Now initially the amount of water is p i × r 2 × h . Now since the new height is half of the initial height, the radius of the 2 h height cone is also half, using similarity. So final volume of water in top cone is p i × ( 2 r ) 2 × ( 2 h ) .
So amount of water that drips down to bottom cone is p i × r 2 × h − p i × ( 2 r ) 2 × ( 2 h ) = 8 7 × p i × r 2 × h . Now let the height of water in the bottom cone be x , then using similarity, its radius is r × h x . So the amount of water in the bottom cone is p i × ( r × h x ) 2 × x = 8 7 × p i × r 2 × h . So putting h = 2 , we get x 3 = 7 . So the answer is 3 7 .
Yeah, everyone it was a typing mistake. The math formatting was kinda difficult to master the first time. :)
grt solution :)
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Exactly what I did...
nice
Same what I did..... But initial amount of water is 1/3 π r2h. I hope it was just a mistake while typing down...
i just wondered..the steps and approach which i followed are exactly the same way you solved it..only difference is you have done two weeks prior to me..:D kudos Abhishek! :-)
total volume of water =(bai 2^3)/3= the volume of water remains =(bai 1^3)/3 volume of water that dropped =the difference=(bai*7)/3 7=h^3 or r^3 so it is solved
but the volume of a cone is pi r r l.....where l is slant height....l=sqrt(r r+h*h).
Assume radius and height for both cube is 2 cm. ie base angle is 45 deg.
Now Full volume of upper cube = 8 pi/3
Volume with one cm height = pi/3
Net water flowed down = 8pi /3 - pi/3 = 7pi/3
Now since base angle is assumed 45 degree radius at all points = height.
Assume height at bottom cone is x => radius is also x
Therefore, (x)cube pi/3 = 7 pi/3
=> (x) cube = 7 => x = cube root 7
More generic solution may be worked out seperately.
both cones are identical and when the water drop then you can see that one thing will be constant that is the angle between radius and slant height. suppose it is theta so tan(theta)=h/r =x . where h is height and r is radius. now initial volume 1/3 pi square(r) 2=8k; k=1/3 pi/square(x) final volume is 1/3 pi square(r') 1 r'=1/x so final volume is k the difference of this will be in the lower cone so lower cone volume is 8k-k=7k so 1/3 pi squre(r'') h''=7k r''=h''/x k*cube(h'')=7k so h'' = cuberoot(7) this is the answer
assume some slope k. so r at any hight of cone is proportional to h thus volume is proportionla to h^3. now when height is reduced from 2 to 1 the volume of liquid is proportional to (2^3-1^3) =h2^3, where h2 is the height of the 2nd cone
Total volume of water is constant so 3 1 π R 1 2 H 1 + 3 1 π R 2 2 H 2 = 3 1 π R 2 H
Also, H and R are in the same proportion, so equation reduces to H 1 3 + H 2 3 = H 3
So H 2 = 3 H 3 − H 1 3 = Cube Root of 7
For a right circular cone, the height h and radius r follow the following relationship:
r = h tan θ ... Where θ is the semi-vertical angle
So as long as θ doesn't change, we can safely say that volume V :
V = 3 1 π r 2 h = k h 3 .... Where k = 3 1 π tan 2 θ , which does not change in this case.
Volume of water lost by first cone V o :
V o = k ( h i n i t i a l ) 3 − k ( h f i n a l ) 3
∴ V o = k ( 2 3 − 1 3 )
∴ V o = 7 k cu. cm.
This lost volume would be the volume of water in the second cone, now having water up to height h ′ .
∴ k ( h ′ ) 3 = 7 k
∴ ( h ′ ) 3 = 7
∴ h ′ = 7 3 1 cm.
this is what i did..
i did'nt done any solution,as volume of cone above half is more grater than below, 1is obviously not and sqrt(8) is more than 2 hence it not correct,cube root of 7 is more near to volume of cone than cube root of 6 hence i have marked it.
Let the original height of the cone be H and its original radius be R.For a right circular cone, Radius r=height h ---- (1)
r / R = 1/ H
Therefore change in volume = 1/3πR2H – 1/3π(R/H)2(1) =1/3πR2(H3-1)/H2 ---------(2)
Let the water in the lower cone be upto a height h. Again using (1),r/R=h/H, which gives r=Rh/H
Therefore volume of water in lower cone = 1/3π(Rh/H)2h = 1/3πR2h3/H2-------------------(3)
Now, change in volume=volume in lower cone i.e., (2)=(3) this gives,
1/3πR2(H3-1)/H2 = 1/3πR2h3/H2
After cancelling common terms i.e., (1/3), π, R2 in the numerator and H2 in the denominator
H3-1=h3
We need to find h and we are given that height of cone i.e., H=2cm, which gives
h3=(2)3-1= 8-1=7cm. The answer is cube root of 7.
Let r be he radius of each cone( equal, not necessarily =h) the total volume of the water in upper cone is pi r^2 h/3. When the height of the water is 1, we can find using similarity of triangles that the radius will be r/2 and the volume of water gone down is pi r^2 2/3 - pi (r/2)^2 1/3= 7 pi r^2/12. Now this volume of water is collected in lower cone. Let the height of the water be h, by similarity of triangles again we can find its radius r h/2 and so 7 pi r^2/12= pi (r h/2)^2 h/3 and solving this equation we get h^3=7 and so h= cube root of 7.
We know the volume of cone is (1/3)pi (r^2) h Considering angle of slant to be ᶿ. we get the formula for volume as (1/3)pi (h^3) tan ᶿ.
So, Amount of water in lower cone = amount water spilled from upper cone
let h be the height of water in lower cone.
then,
(1/3) pi (h^3) tan ᶿ ={ (1/3) pi (2^3) tan ᶿ } - { (1/3) pi (1^3) tan ᶿ}
Cancelling out (1/3) pi tan ᶿ from both sides.
h^3 = 8 -1
h^3 = 7
h = cube root of 7
Being identical cones slant angles will be same .. which is theta in this case.
total volume of a cone=1/3 * 22/7 * r^3. So when the upper cone is full of water the volume is (8 * 22/7)/3.When the height of water level in the upper cone is 1cm, then the volume is(22/7)/3.Therefore the volume in the lower cone should be the subtracted value of the full vol. of the upper cone - the vol. when the height is 1cm=(7 *22/7)/3.Deriving the height from here, comes out the value of cube root of seven
Volume of Top Cone when full = (1/3) pi R R H, R = radius, H = full height = 2cm Therefore, Volume of Top Cone when full = (2/3) pi R R. ----------------> (A) Volume of Top Cone when height is 1cm is (1/3) pi R R/4.---------------(B) The volume in Bottom cone = A-B = (1/3) pi R R (7/4). Now let h be the height if water in the second cone and r be the radius of the water filled part of the second cone. Then, the volume of water in the second cone is (1/3) pi r r h. This is equal to (1/3) pi R R (7/4). Hence, we have r r h = R R 7/4 ---------------->(C) Using symmetry, we know that h/r = H/R i.e. r = h*R/2, since H = 2cm Using this in C, we get h=7^(1/3).
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The ratio of the volumes of similar cones is the ratio of one of their dimension, cubed (since there are 3 dimensions with the same ratio).
Total volume of water: 2 3 × c = 8 c (where c is a constant)
Volume of upper cone: 1 3 × c = c
Volume of lower cone: 8 c − c = 7 c
The height of water in the lower cone is 3 7 .