Slacklining

A slackline is stretched between two trees at a distance, d = 10 m d = 10\,\text{m} , so that a tensioning force, F 0 = 5000 N F_0 = 5000 \,\text{N} , is applied on the empty rope. A man then balances in the middle of the rope and exerts a weight force, F g = 750 N F_g = 750 \,\text{N} , onto the slackline. What is the vertical deflection, h h , of the rope?

Details and Assumptions: The rope is made of an elastic material and obeys Hooke's law F = K l l 0 l 0 , F = K \frac{l - l_0}{l_0}, where F F is the force along the rope, l 0 l_0 is the initial length, l l is the stretched length of the rope, and K = 150 kN K = 150\text{ kN} is the force constant.

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4 solutions

Markus Michelmann
Nov 26, 2017

Initially the rope is streched to the lenght d d due to the tensioning force F 0 F_0 , so that Hooke's law reads F 0 = K d l 0 l 0 l 0 = K F 0 + K d = 150 155 10 m = 300 31 m 9.68 m \begin{aligned} F_0 &= K \frac{d - l_0}{l_0} \\ \Rightarrow \quad l_0 &= \frac{K}{F_0 + K} d = \frac{150}{155} \cdot 10 \,\text{m} = \frac{300}{31} \,\text{m} \approx 9.68 \,\text{m} \end{aligned} For the loaded slackline we can draw the following diagram:

With the man as additional load, the forces F 1 \vec F_1 and F 2 \vec F_2 along the rope must make up for weight force F g \vec F_g , so that F 1 + F 2 = F g F 1 = F 2 = F = F g 2 sin α \begin{aligned} \vec F_1 + \vec F_2 &= - \vec F_g \\ \Rightarrow \quad |\vec F_1|= |\vec F_2| &= F = \frac{F_g}{2 \sin \alpha} \end{aligned} with the deflection angle α \alpha . According to the diagram, the lenght of the rope results l = d cos α F = K l l 0 l 0 = 150 , 000 N ( 31 30 cos α 1 ) = 750 N 2 sin α \begin{aligned} l &= \frac{d}{\cos \alpha} \\ \Rightarrow F &= K \frac{l - l_0}{l_0} = 150,000 \,\text{N} \cdot \left(\frac{31}{30 \cos \alpha} - 1 \right) = \frac{750 \, \text{N}}{2 \sin \alpha} \end{aligned} This equation can be solved graphically and results an angle α = 0.07 rad = 4 \alpha = 0.07 \,\text{rad} = 4^\circ and a deflection h = d 2 tan α = 35 cm h = \frac{d}{2} \tan \alpha = 35\,\text{cm} An approximate solution can be obtained if we use the linear approximations cos α 1 \cos \alpha \approx 1 and sin α α \sin \alpha \approx \alpha for small angles. F K = ( 31 30 cos α 1 ) 1 30 = 1 400 sin α 1 400 α α 3 40 rad = 0.075 rad = 4. 3 h = d 2 tan α 38 cm \begin{aligned} \frac{F}{K} &= \left(\frac{31}{30 \cos \alpha} - 1 \right) \approx \frac{1}{30} \\ &= \frac{1}{400 \sin \alpha} \approx \frac{1}{400 \alpha}\\ \Rightarrow \quad \alpha &\approx \frac{3}{40} \,\text{rad} = 0.075 \,\text{rad} = 4.3^\circ \\ \Rightarrow \quad h &= \frac{d}{2} \tan \alpha \approx 38 \,\text{cm} \end{aligned}

sir where do you get your great problems ? Are they all original ?

André Hucek - 3 years, 6 months ago

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To be honest, most of these problem are variations of familiar problems that I encountered during my degree course of physics. Nevertheless, there is a lot of creativity in these problems because I try to apply the physical principles to realistic situations so that they do not seem too abstract. Applying Hooke's law to slacklining was my idea as well, so it can be said that this problem is largely original.

Markus Michelmann - 3 years, 6 months ago

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Do you have any references to any problems of the courses you have taken ?

André Hucek - 3 years, 6 months ago

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@André Hucek My sources are mainly the lectures and exercises that I attended at the university. In part, I still have handwritten notes, but much I have already disposed. A specification of the references is therefore difficult, since a recall many things only from my own memory. A special exception is the problem of "energy distribution". This task did occur a similar form in the lecture "Thermodynamics and Statistical Mechanics" by Prof. Rehren in 2006. Maybe the exercise sheet still exists in the internet, but even I would not have access to it anymore.

Markus Michelmann - 3 years, 6 months ago

Hello, could you please explain me better, why F=Fg/2sin(a)

Marco Polisena - 3 years, 6 months ago

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This equation results from the parallelogram of forces. The sum of all the vectors F 1 \vec F_1 , F 2 \vec F_2 and F g \vec F_g has to be zero, since the rope is in a stable position. The forces F 1 \vec F_1 and F 2 \vec F_2 are aligned along the rope and add up to the vector F g -\vec F_g . In component notation these vectors equals F i = ( ± F cos α , F sin α ) \vec F_i = (\pm F \cos \alpha, F \sin \alpha) with the absolute value F = F i F = |\vec F_i| . Their sum results to F 1 + F 2 = ( 0 , 2 F sin α ) = ! F g = ( 0 , F g ) \vec F_1 + \vec F_2 = (0 , 2 F \sin \alpha) \stackrel{!}{=} - \vec F_g = (0, F_g) Therefore, the force along the rope results F = F g / 2 sin ( α ) F = F_g/2 \sin(\alpha) .

Markus Michelmann - 3 years, 6 months ago

The draw confuses me because you put the force two times at the slackline

Paulo Salim Vasconcelos - 3 years, 6 months ago

In the first section of your explanation you calculated for L(zero), which you said was the initial length - don't we already know the initial length of the rope: 10 metres? I thought that L was the length we were supposed to be calculating? how can the rope be shorter than 10m to begin with?

Jack Hill - 3 years, 6 months ago

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The initial length l 0 l_0 is shorter then 10 meters, because the empty rope is already strechted, so that a tension force of 5000 newtons results. If the initial length was 10 meters, then the force would be zero.

Markus Michelmann - 3 years, 6 months ago

hello please explain me better .

Anvika Gupta - 3 years, 5 months ago

Why the original length (9.6 m) is less then length of stretched rope (10 m) ?

Azeema Anwar - 3 years, 5 months ago
Kelvin Hong
Dec 11, 2017

I have used similar method as Markus one, but I use desmos to approximate it.

Let's take a look at right half, after the man standing on the rope, it form a right triangle which 90 degree is at upper-left corner. we have horizontal length 5 5 , and let vertical length x x , hypotenuse y y .

First, we find the original length of the rope, I mean the right half ones, states as l 0 l_0 , You can easily find that as l 0 = 150 31 l_0 = \frac{150}{31} , I didn't use approximation to this fraction, to retain accuracy of the result.

At the moment the man stand, let the force act on rope slightly changes from F F to F F' , so

F = K y l 0 l 0 F' = K \frac{y-l_0}{l_0}

Compute all of the constant will get

F = 31000 y 150000 F' = 31000y - 150000

Then, it is necessary to know that the vertical component of F F' will equal to half of the man's weight, so it obtain:

F x y = 1 2 F g = 375 F' \frac{x}{y} = \frac{1}{2} F_g = 375

Rearrange all of the above and finally add on simple Pythagoras Equation,

y 2 = x 2 + 25 ( 1 ) y^2 = x^2 + 25 ------(1) ( 31000 y 150000 ) x = 375 y ( 2 ) (31000y-150000)x=375y -------(2)

Look at x x coordinate, we get 0.349 m \boxed{0.349m} .

How did you get F'=31000y-150000

Galvin Lee - 3 years, 5 months ago

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Since K = 150 k N K=150kN and as I shown above, l 0 l_0 can be found as 150 31 \frac{150}{31} . Hope this will help. :)

Kelvin Hong - 3 years, 5 months ago
Hosam Hajjir
Dec 15, 2017

First, let's determine the total unstretched length of the rope

F = K ( l / l 0 1 ) F = K (l/l_0 - 1)

5000 = 150 × 1 0 3 ( 10 / l 0 1 ) 5000 = 150 \times 10^3 (10/l_0 - 1)

l 0 = 10 / ( 1 + 1 / 30 ) = 300 / 31 l_0 = 10 / (1 + 1/30) = 300 / 31

Now, after applying the weight of the man on the rope, balance of forces dictates that

F g = 2 T sin θ F_g = 2 T \sin \theta

i.e. 750 = 2 T sin θ 750 = 2 T \sin \theta

where θ \theta is the angle that the rope makes with the horizontal.

In addition, T and the new length of the rope obey Hooke's law,

The stretched length of half rope is 5 / cos θ 5 / \cos \theta , and the unstretched half rope is 150/31, hence

T = 150 × 1 0 3 ( ( 5 / cos θ ) ( 150 / 31 ) 1 ) T = 150 \times 10^3 ( \dfrac{(5 / \cos \theta )}{ (150 / 31 )} - 1 )

Substituting this above in the first equation

750 = 2 × 150 × 1 0 3 ( ( 5 / cos θ ) ( 150 / 31 ) 1 ) sin θ 750 = 2 \times 150 \times 10^3 ( \dfrac{(5 / \cos \theta )}{ (150 / 31 ) } - 1 ) \sin \theta

Simplifying

15 × 150 cos θ = 6 × 1 0 3 ( 155 150 cos θ ) sin θ 15 \times 150 \cos \theta = 6 \times 10^3 (155 - 150 \cos \theta) \sin \theta

simplifying further

3 cos θ = 40 ( 31 30 cos θ ) sin θ 3 \cos \theta =40 ( 31 - 30 \cos \theta ) \sin \theta

solving the above equation numerically yields θ = 0.069783 rad \theta = 0.069783 \text{ rad} .

Now h = 5 tan θ = 0.349482 m = 34.9 cm 35 cm h = 5 \tan \theta = 0.349482 \text{ m } = 34.9 \text{ cm } \approx 35 \text{ cm }

Anthony Gatti
Dec 16, 2017

If we break the rope into 2 symmetrical triangles.... and assume that they are each supporting 1/2 of the human.

F=K * (l-lo) * (1/lo)

F = K* strain (% deformation)

F total = Ftension (Fo) + Fhuman (Fg)

Fo is constant @ 5000N - assume this is completely in x plane.

Fg applied to one side of rope = 1/2 Fg in y plane.

Ftotal = sqrt( (1/2*Fg)^2 + (Fo)^2 )

Ftotal = sqrt( 140625 + 25000000)

Ftotal = 5014.04278

Ftotal = K *strain

Ftotal/K = strain

5014.04278/150 = strain

0.033426952 = strain

strain = % deformatioon.

0.033426952*10m = 0.334269519m

Not exactly 35, and it makes a few assumptions, but gets pretty close.

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