Slid sectors

Geometry Level 3

A circle of radius 20 20 is sliced into three congruent sectors, which are then slid apart to create a green equilateral triangle with side length 9. 9. A larger equilateral triangle is then circumscribed.

The side length of this large triangle can be written as a + b d c \frac{a+b\sqrt{d}}{c} with d d square-free and a , b , c a, b, c irreducible.

What is the value of a + b + c + d ? a+b+c+d?


The answer is 1201.

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5 solutions

Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 24, 2018

Due to symmetry, the two equilateral triangles share a common centroid O O . The side length of the big equilateral triangle is given by 2 3 O P 2\sqrt 3OP , where O P OP is the perpendicular distance between the centroid and the base. An O P OP is given by:

O P = Q S Q R Let S Q T = θ = Q S O Q cos ( θ + 3 0 ) Note that Q S = 20 , O Q = 9 × 3 2 × 2 3 = 3 3 = 20 3 3 ( 3 2 cos θ 1 2 sin θ ) and cos θ = Q S Q T = 20 20 + 9 = 20 29 , sin θ = 21 29 = 20 3 3 ( 3 2 × 20 29 1 2 × 21 29 ) \begin{aligned} OP & = QS-QR & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Let }\angle SQT = \theta \\ & = QS - OQ\cos (\theta + 30^\circ) & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{Note that }QS = 20, \ OQ = 9 \times \frac {\sqrt 3}2 \times \frac 23 = 3\sqrt 3 \\ & = 20 - 3\sqrt 3 \left(\frac {\sqrt 3}2\cos \theta - \frac 12 \sin \theta\right) & \small \color{#3D99F6} \text{and }\cos \theta = \frac {QS}{QT} = \frac {20}{20+9} = \frac {20}{29}, \ \sin \theta = \frac {21}{29} \\ & = 20 - 3\sqrt 3 \left(\frac {\sqrt 3}2 \times \frac {20}{29} - \frac 12 \times \frac {21}{29} \right) \end{aligned}

Therefore, the side length of the big equilateral triangle is:

2 3 O P = 2 3 ( 20 3 3 ( 3 2 × 20 29 1 2 × 21 29 ) ) = 40 3 180 3 189 29 = 189 + 980 3 29 \begin{aligned} 2\sqrt 3 OP & = 2\sqrt 3 \left(20 - 3\sqrt 3 \left(\frac {\sqrt 3}2 \times \frac {20}{29} - \frac 12 \times \frac {21}{29} \right) \right) \\ & = 40\sqrt 3 - \frac {180\sqrt 3 - 189}{29} \\ & = \frac {189+980\sqrt 3}{29} \end{aligned}

Hence, a + b + c + d = 189 + 980 + 29 + 3 = 1201 a+b+c+d = 189+980 + 29 + 3 = \boxed{1201} .

This is better than my solution, except I can't figure out how you got cos θ \cos{\theta}

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 8 months ago

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I have added more details in the note. It is cos θ = Q S Q T \cos \theta = \dfrac {QS}{QT} . Q S = 20 QS=20 , the radius of the circle and Q T = 20 + 9 QT=20+9 radius of the circle + side length of the triangle.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 8 months ago

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Jeremy how did you draw the figure of question??

Mr. India - 2 years, 8 months ago

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@Mr. India I used geometer's sketchpad then altered the colors in ms paint. Brilliant admin appear to have made slight alterations as well.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 8 months ago

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@Jeremy Galvagni Any mobile app do you know??

Mr. India - 2 years, 8 months ago

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@Mr. India Try geogebra.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 8 months ago

very neat demonstration of the solution. i wonder how long did it take you :)

Mehdi K. - 2 years, 8 months ago

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I am quite use to it. All my solutions are this style. This one is probably 1 hour. I didn't really check.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 8 months ago

Silly question. Asking for values of a b c d is like forcing one to find solution in a particular way. Just ask for side length. I got answer by simple geometry by deducing actual angles.

Really worked hard on this problem but question was wrongly asked.

Karan Chopra - 2 years, 8 months ago

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I wanted the exact answer, not an approximation. The approximation is too easy to find with a geometry drawing program. There are many ways to express the exact answer and I needed to choose one. I chose this format because it looks like solving a quadratic equation, although that's not how I solved it, nor did the other solvers.

There is not a single way to solve this problem. I actually solved some of the triangles and used the sum of arcsines rule.

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 8 months ago

I want to ask that cant these slides of cirlcle be arranged so that area of inner triangle be 0. So on that case the circle thus formed is incircle of the bigger triangle.

Ritoprovo Roy - 2 years ago

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I don't think so.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years ago
David Vreken
Sep 24, 2018

Let the points be labelled as shown, and draw B D BD so that B D A H BD \perp AH at B B , and draw B C BC . Let θ = B D G \theta = \angle BDG , let a = B C a = BC , let b = A C b = AC , and let c = A B c = AB . By symmetry, G H = A C = b GH = AC = b .

Since D G = 29 DG = 29 and B D = 20 BD = 20 , then by Pythagorean's Theorem on B D G \triangle BDG , B G = 2 9 2 2 0 2 = 21 BG = \sqrt{29^2 - 20^2} = 21 , and sin θ = 21 29 \sin \theta = \frac{21}{29} and cos θ = 20 29 \cos \theta = \frac{20}{29} .

Since C D E = 180 ° \angle CDE = 180° and E D F = 60 ° \angle EDF = 60° , E D F = 120 ° θ \angle EDF = 120° - \theta . Since B C D \triangle BCD is an isosceles triangle, D B C = 180 ° ( 120 ° θ ) 2 = 30 ° + θ 2 \angle DBC = \frac{180° - (120° - \theta)}{2} = 30° + \frac{\theta}{2} . Since A B D \angle ABD is a right angle, A B C = 90 ° ( 30 ° + θ 2 ) = 60 ° θ 2 \angle ABC = 90° - (30° + \frac{\theta}{2}) = 60° - \frac{\theta}{2} . Finally, since A B C = 60 ° θ 2 \angle ABC = 60° - \frac{\theta}{2} and B A C = 60 ° \angle BAC = 60° , by triangle sum in A B C \triangle ABC A C B = 180 ° 60 ° ( 60 ° θ 2 ) = 60 ° + θ 2 \angle ACB = 180° - 60° - (60° - \frac{\theta}{2}) = 60° + \frac{\theta}{2} .

By the law of sines on A B C \triangle ABC , b = a sin 60 ° sin ( 60 ° θ 2 ) b = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}\sin (60° - \frac{\theta}{2}) and c = a sin 60 ° sin ( 60 ° + θ 2 ) c = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}\sin (60° + \frac{\theta}{2}) . The side length A H AH is A H = A B + B G + G H = c + 21 + b AH = AB + BG + GH = c + 21 + b which simplifies to A H = 21 + 2 a cos θ 2 AH = 21 + 2a \cos \frac{\theta}{2} .

Now a a is a chord with central angle 120 ° θ 120° - \theta of a circle with radius 20 20 , so a = 2 20 sin 1 2 ( 120 ° θ ) = 20 3 cos θ 2 20 sin θ 2 a = 2 \cdot 20 \sin \frac{1}{2}(120° - \theta) = 20 \sqrt{3} \cos \frac{\theta}{2} - 20 \sin \frac{\theta}{2} .

Substituting this value into A H AH and simplifying gives A H = 21 + 20 3 + 20 3 cos θ 20 sin θ AH = 21 + 20\sqrt{3} + 20\sqrt{3} \cos \theta - 20 \sin \theta , and substituting sin θ = 21 29 \sin \theta = \frac{21}{29} and cos θ = 20 29 \cos \theta = \frac{20}{29} from above and simplifying gives 189 + 980 3 29 \frac{189 + 980\sqrt{3}}{29} , which means a = 189 a = 189 , b = 980 b = 980 , c = 29 c = 29 , and d = 3 d = 3 ; and a + b + c + d = 189 + 980 + 29 + 3 = 1201 a + b + c + d = 189 + 980 + 29 + 3 = \boxed{1201} .

Why 1201 is only solution possible. Nowhere in question its written a b and d have to be integers. Even decimal numbers are irreducable.

Why am i wrong if i get correct side length by some other decimal values of a b and d.

Karan Chopra - 2 years, 8 months ago

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I read the term "irreducible" to mean an " irreducible fraction ", which are made up of integers.

David Vreken - 2 years, 8 months ago

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Anyways it was a great puzzle to work upon.

Karan Chopra - 2 years, 8 months ago

Why b+c equals 2acosq/2 ? Shouldn’t it be square root of 3?

Ahmadreza Ardeshirzadeh - 2 years, 6 months ago

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Since b = a sin 60 ° sin ( 60 ° θ 2 ) b = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}\sin (60° - \frac{\theta}{2}) and c = a sin 60 ° sin ( 60 ° + θ 2 ) c = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}\sin (60° + \frac{\theta}{2}) ,

b + c b + c

= a sin 60 ° sin ( 60 ° θ 2 ) + a sin 60 ° sin ( 60 ° + θ 2 ) = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}\sin (60° - \frac{\theta}{2}) + \frac{a}{\sin 60°}\sin (60° + \frac{\theta}{2})

= a sin 60 ° ( sin ( 60 ° θ 2 ) + sin ( 60 ° + θ 2 ) ) = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}(\sin (60° - \frac{\theta}{2}) + \sin (60° + \frac{\theta}{2}))

= a sin 60 ° ( ( sin 60 ° cos θ 2 sin θ 2 cos 60 ° ) + ( sin 60 ° cos θ 2 + sin θ 2 cos 60 ° ) ) = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}((\sin 60° \cos \frac{\theta}{2} - \sin \frac{\theta}{2} \cos 60°) + (\sin 60° \cos \frac{\theta}{2} + \sin \frac{\theta}{2} \cos 60°))

= a sin 60 ° ( 2 sin 60 ° cos θ 2 ) = \frac{a}{\sin 60°}(2 \sin 60° \cos \frac{\theta}{2})

= 2 a cos θ 2 = 2a \cos \frac{\theta}{2}

David Vreken - 2 years, 6 months ago
Vinod Kumar
Oct 3, 2018

While, the geometric solution using (20,21,29) right triangle, the side of large equilateral triangle is given by:

a = (189+980√3)/29,

However, the algebraic answer derived using the area relation:

(a^2-9^2)((√3)/4)=3(Area Quadrialteral)

Area Quadrilateral= Area of two triangles=(20×29+(a-b)×b)((√3)/4), where, b is the length between triangle and circle vertice on the side of the triangle.

gives an equation:

a^2 - 9^2=3×20×29 + 3(a-b)b

Solving this as Diophantine equation gives 'a' and 'b' as,

a=69 and b =20.

This algebraic integer value of a=69 is quite different from the geometric value of a=~65.048.

in this line : Area Quadrilateral= Area of two triangles=(20×29+(a-b)×b)((√3)/4), can you please explain which triangles did you pick? (you can reference to the illustration of @David Vreken if you dont want) GDA and ADC?

Mehdi K. - 2 years, 8 months ago

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Triangles on vertices H (60°) & F (120°) in David Vreken Diagram.

Vinod Kumar - 2 years, 8 months ago

Michael Mendrin
Sep 23, 2018

a a and b b are not coprimes, they share the common factor 7 7

Oops. What's the best way to word it? "Cannot be reduced"?

Jeremy Galvagni - 2 years, 8 months ago

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...yeah, or that the greatest common denominator of a, b, c is 1. That should do it.

Michael Mendrin - 2 years, 8 months ago

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