Sliding Rod

A uniform rod of mass m m and length l l is placed vertically on the smooth horizontal floor. Now the rod is given a slight push so that it starts falling.

Find the Normal Reaction that the ground applies on it as a function of angle θ \theta that the rod makes with the horizontal.

Your answer can be represented as

N ( θ ) = m g [ a ( sin θ 1 ) b + c ] ( d e ( sin θ ) 2 ) f \large{N (\theta) = \frac{mg [a {(\sin\theta - 1)}^{b} + c]}{{( d - e{(\sin\theta)}^{2})}^{f}}}

Enter your answer as a + b + c + d + e + f a + b + c + d + e + f

Details and assumptions :

  • 0 < θ < π 2 0 < \theta < \dfrac{\pi}{2} .

  • There is no friction between the contact surfaces.

  • Neglect air dra .

  • Calculate the Normal reaction before the collision takes place.


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The answer is 15.

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2 solutions

Prakhar Bindal
Apr 15, 2016

Firstly Define the coordinate system with the base of rod as origin and the along the length of rod as y axis (Initial position of rod).

Let the rod make an angle x with horizontal at any instant

L Is the length of rod , w is angular velocity about cm. COM will fall vertically as there is no net horizontal force

Then we must have

y = Lsinx / 2

Differentiate both sides

v = -Lwcosx /2

Again Differentiate both sides (As x is decreasing dx/dt = -w)

You obtain acceleration

a = -L(sinx*w^2 + bcosx)/2

Where b is angular acceleration of rod

Now from newtons law

in y axis

Mg-N = Ma (N Is normal reaction )

Taking Moments about CM

N* Lcosx / 2 = I*b (I Is Moment of inertia about cm)

Finally apply Work energy theorem

MgL(1-sinx)/2= 1/2 m v^2 + 1/2 I w^2.

Solve This System of equations (They will be easy to solve)

Nice one! Nice approach

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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what is going in your fiitjee? (chapters)

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Started yesterday only , maths (functions) , physics (electrostats)

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Aniket Sanghi We Are On Application of derivatives in maths, Current Electricity in physics and Polymer And Biomolecule in chemistry

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Prakhar Bindal Which all chapters are over?......what is the expected date for completion of syl?.....when your 12the classes were started?

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Aniket Sanghi Well We Did not followed the plan prescribed by fiitjee. We Were Parallely Taught Some Of The class 12 topics in class 11 itself like Matrices And Determinants , Geometrical Optics, Alkyl Halide , Alcohol Ether Phenol And Aldehyde And Ketone In chemistry we are left with 3 chapters of physical and 3 chapters of inorganic (So our chem syllabus might get finished In Mid July or so)

In Maths We Have AOD , Integration , Differential equation , Vector 3D And Probability Rest All Are Done. so expected date will be mid july

In physics we are with normal batches hence the syllabus might go to end August

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 1 month ago

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@Prakhar Bindal Are you confidant in the topics completed

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 1 month ago

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@Aniket Sanghi Nope not at all . (I Am Not at all good at Heat , Aldehyde Ketone , Permutation And Combination, Ionic Equilibrium , boron and carbon family , Electrostatics etc)

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 1 month ago

@Aniket Sanghi i am not able to understand why aren't we able to talk on slack? i and @Samarth Agarwal talk quite easily on slack

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 1 month ago

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@Prakhar Bindal After searching you in team directory , what's the next step

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 1 month ago

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@Aniket Sanghi Just send me a message click on my profile picture as you might see and then a button will come displaying "message"

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 1 month ago

@Prakhar Bindal I got your message in email

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 1 month ago

@Prakhar Bindal We didn't even got the materials

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

@Prakhar Bindal And please mention the steps to chat on slack

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

When you differentiated the result of Pythagoras then you got your component of velocity of CM not velocity of CM it will also have a horizontal component.

raj abhinav - 1 year, 1 month ago

Here is my solution :

The distance between the lowermost point of the rod ( the point in contact with the ground ) and COM of the rod is fixed and is equal to L 2 \frac{L}{2}

Further, let x x be the distance of the lower most point of contact (say point O) from its initial position and let y y be the distance of COM from the ground.

So, we have the following as a result of Pythagoras theorem:

x 2 + y 2 = L 2 4 x^2+y^2 = \frac{L^2}{4}

Differentiate both sides of the equation to get the following relation:

x d x d t = y d y d t x\frac{dx}{dt}=-y\frac{dy}{dt}

Let the velocity of point O be v o v_{o} and that of COM be v c v_{c}

So, we have :

v o = v c tan θ v_{o}=v_{c}\tan\theta

Velocity of point O in the frame of COM can be calculated easily using vectors and is equal to v c sec θ v_{c}\sec\theta .

We also have the following relation about COM :

Velocity of point O w.r.t COM = ω \omega *(Distance of point O from COM)

So,

v c sec θ = ω L 2 v_{c}\sec\theta = \omega \frac{L}{2}

So, ω = 2 v c L sec θ \omega = \frac{2v_{c}}{L}\sec\theta

Using the energy conservation equation:

1 2 m g L ( 1 sin θ ) = 1 2 m v 2 + 1 2 I ω 2 \frac{1}{2}mgL(1-\sin\theta) = \frac{1}{2}mv^2 + \frac{1}{2}I\omega^2

We get

ω = 2 3 g ( 1 sin θ ) L ( 4 3 sin 2 θ ) \omega = 2\sqrt{\frac{3g(1-\sin\theta)}{L(4-3\sin^2 \theta)}}

Differentiating the above equation w.r.t time we get

α = ω d ω d θ \alpha = \omega \frac{d\omega}{d\theta}

Also

N cos θ L 2 = I α N\cos\theta \frac{L}{2}= I\alpha

Using the above two equations we get :

N = m g [ 3 ( sin θ 1 ) 2 + 1 ] ( 4 3 sin 2 θ ) 2 N= \frac{mg[3(\sin\theta - 1)^2+1]}{(4-3\sin^2 \theta)^2}

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Aniket Sanghi
Apr 15, 2016

N ( θ ) = m g [ 3 ( sin θ 1 ) 2 + 1 ] ( 4 3 ( sin θ ) 2 ) 2 \large{N (\theta) = \frac{mg [3 {(\sin\theta - 1)}^{2} + 1]}{{( 4 - 3{(\sin\theta)}^{2})}^{2}}}

Yeah got exactly the same!

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

Hey my solution involves 50% energy and 50% force. i am searching for a method of 100 % energy can you post it ?

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Ya its solution is quite long ! We have to solve 5 equations to get the answer....

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Yeah i too

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

1 Of energy conservation,2 of angular acceleration ,3 of acc of com, and 4,5 of constraint relation.....I framed this q when I was revising my concepts :)

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Can you tell me second constraint? . i know first is that bottom most point must have no vertical velocity

Prakhar Bindal - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Prakhar Bindal Similarly bottom most point has no vertical acceleration

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

Are you cousin of Anshul Sanghi?

Harsh Shrivastava - 5 years, 2 months ago

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You got it right!

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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Ohk

He lives near my house and told me about your marvellous ranks and achievements!

Harsh Shrivastava - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava Hm , I think I know you........you too got selected in NTSE , Right!

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Aniket Sanghi Yes. BTW can suggest any good books for physics class 11 except fiitjee material?

Harsh Shrivastava - 5 years, 2 months ago

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@Harsh Shrivastava We prefered cengage

Aniket Sanghi - 5 years, 2 months ago

Post solution please

Mohd Safwan - 5 years ago

Shouldn't N be mg/(4-3sin^2x)

Deepak Pant - 4 years ago

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Sorry I am getting N=mg(4-3sinx)/(4-3sin^2x)^2

Deepak Pant - 4 years ago

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I am On a break after advanced , so I am feeling lazy to prepare sol and post , so it would be better that u post the sol , I will check up your method

Aniket Sanghi - 4 years ago

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