Slippery Pulley!

A heavy, long, inelastic chain of length L L is placed almost symmetrically onto a light pulley which can rotate about a fixed axle, as shown in the figure. If :

I ) It's velocity when it leaves the pulley can be represented by v b r e a k = L w g x y v_{break} = \dfrac{L^wg^x}{y}

II ) And height h h climbed by the end which is going up before losing contact of the pulley can be represented as h b r e a k = L z h_{break} = \dfrac{L}{z}

Evaluate w + x 2 + y + z + 1 \large \dfrac{w+x}{2} + y + z +1

Assumumptions

  • Take the pulley to be massless and thus performing pure rolling.
  • The chain goes up due to slight asymmetry.
  • w , x , y w,~x,~y and z z are numerical constants R \in \mathbb{R} and can have any value!
  • Take radius R R of the pulley to be very small, i.e. R L R\ll L


The answer is 6.328427.

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1 solution

From the question All that matters is the constant velocity! , we know that once the chain is out of the pulley, T = ρ v 2 ( 1 ) T = \rho v^2\cdots(1)

Now when one side of the chain goes a height x x , P E = K E ρ x 2 g = 1 2 ρ L v 2 L v 2 = 2 x 2 g ( 2 ) \bigtriangleup\! PE = \;\bigtriangleup\! KE\\\rho x^2g = \frac{1}{2}\rho L v^2\\\Rightarrow Lv^2 = 2x^2g\cdots(2)

Now equating forces

T ρ ( L 2 x ) g = ρ ( L 2 x ) a ( 3 ) ρ ( L 2 + x ) g T = ρ ( L 2 + x ) a ( 4 ) T -\rho \left(\dfrac{L}{2} - x\right)g = \rho \left(\dfrac{L}{2} - x\right) a\cdots(3)\\ \rho \left(\dfrac{L}{2} + x\right)g - T = \rho \left(\dfrac{L}{2}+ x\right)a\cdots(4)

Solving L v 2 = L 2 2 g 2 x 2 g ( 5 ) Lv^2 = \dfrac{L^2}{2}g - 2x^2g\cdots(5)

Substituting ( 1 ) , ( 2 ) (1), (2) in ( 5 ) (5) , h b r e a k = L 2 2 h_{break} = \dfrac{L}{2\sqrt{2}}

v b r e a k = L g 2 v_{break} = \dfrac{\sqrt{Lg}}{2}

v = w = 0.5 , x = 2 , y = 1 , z = 2 2 \Rightarrow v = w = 0.5,~x = 2,~y = 1,~z=2\sqrt{2}

v + w 2 + x + y + z 6.32843 \large\color{#3D99F6}{\therefore \boxed{\dfrac{v+w}{2} + x + y + z \approx 6.32843}}

@Kishore S Shenoy did the same way. Give us time to post solutions to ur problems. What's the fun in posting solutions to ur own problems. When's ur next problem coming? Me and @Surya Prakash will try to post the solution.

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

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Hehe, sure! I post solutions so that those who were unable to solve will get a way... Wait for some time... Be patient

P.S: I will get upvotes 😜

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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Sure! But please give us time to post solutions. :)

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Aditya Kumar Just refresh the page to see the updated comment

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy I meant to say more time.

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Aditya Kumar I understood...

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

@Aditya Kumar But upvotes matter...

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy So u mean to say u r posting questions and solutions just for popularity. If u want upvotes post solutions to easy problems.

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Aditya Kumar Nope... I post solutions for tough questions only. If you post for easy ones, you'll get lots of upvotes which has no value...

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy Then how do upvotes matter?

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Aditya Kumar It's like it encourages me to put more questions... 😊

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

@Aditya Kumar Try solving my math questions...

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy Saw them. Did u try my problems?

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Aditya Kumar No! I'll for sure!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

@Aditya Kumar I'll be posting a question today! Designing it!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy Sure. But let me post a solution.

Aditya Kumar - 5 years, 8 months ago

though i got the correct answer but it was a little bit confusing as no relation was given between y and z. I advise you to remove variable y from question and write it as 1 only.

aryan goyat - 5 years, 7 months ago

Hey @Kishore S Shenoy when the chain is about to lift off from the pulley its N = 0 N = 0 so we get 2 forces for a d m dm mass element which provide the centripetal force at that instant the forces are 2 T sin ( d θ 2 ) 2T\sin {\left(\dfrac{d\theta}{2}\right)} which we used but why did we ignore the component of force of gravity in that direction d m × g cos ( d θ 2 ) dm\times g\cos{\left(\dfrac{d\theta}{2}\right)} ? Please tell if i am going wrong somewhere

neelesh vij - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Actually, when the chain leaves the pulley, it is a vertical straight line, so that the relative accelerations between two infinitesimally small mass element is zero, ie. gravitational force does not produce internal tension. Thus the only force that provides centripetal acceleration is tension. Hence T ( i ) = ρ v 2 T^{(i)} = \rho v^2

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Btw how do you draw the diagrams for the questions?

neelesh vij - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Neelesh Vij Adobe Illustrator

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 3 months ago

@Kishore S Shenoy When one end goes up a distance of x x , the other end goes down by a distance x x . So, shouldn't Δ P E = 0 \Delta PE=0 ?

Deeparaj Bhat - 5 years, 3 months ago

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No. Look at the following image :

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 3 months ago

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Thanks for the pic! I should've taken the centre of mass then there wouldn't have been any issue. My bad.

Deeparaj Bhat - 5 years, 3 months ago

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@Deeparaj Bhat Yeah, that's the basic idea.

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 3 months ago

@Surya Prakash Can you post your solution please?

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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Did the same. I failed to solve the problem ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE CONSTANT VELOCITY. Then I solved this problem by learning the concept from the solution of that problem.

Surya Prakash - 5 years, 8 months ago

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It was meant for this same reason!

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy Hey man, do u have account in Brilliant Slack??

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@Surya Prakash Slack? What is it? Why?

Kishore S. Shenoy - 5 years, 8 months ago

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@Kishore S. Shenoy slack . It is chatting platform where we can chat. Brilliant members are present there. Make an account in it. Come over there.

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@Surya Prakash Can you say how to join?

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@Kishore S. Shenoy just go to slackin.brilliant.org and type your email and submit it. You will get a mail to your email. Then follows according to that what it says. That's it.

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@Surya Prakash I'm already invited! I did not know!

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@Surya Prakash I'm there!

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