A heavy, long, inelastic chain of length L is placed almost symmetrically onto a light pulley which can rotate about a fixed axle, as shown in the figure. If :
I ) It's velocity when it leaves the pulley can be represented by v b r e a k = y L w g x
II ) And height h climbed by the end which is going up before losing contact of the pulley can be represented as h b r e a k = z L
Evaluate 2 w + x + y + z + 1
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@Kishore S Shenoy did the same way. Give us time to post solutions to ur problems. What's the fun in posting solutions to ur own problems. When's ur next problem coming? Me and @Surya Prakash will try to post the solution.
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Hehe, sure! I post solutions so that those who were unable to solve will get a way... Wait for some time... Be patient
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Sure! But please give us time to post solutions. :)
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though i got the correct answer but it was a little bit confusing as no relation was given between y and z. I advise you to remove variable y from question and write it as 1 only.
Hey @Kishore S Shenoy when the chain is about to lift off from the pulley its N = 0 so we get 2 forces for a d m mass element which provide the centripetal force at that instant the forces are 2 T sin ( 2 d θ ) which we used but why did we ignore the component of force of gravity in that direction d m × g cos ( 2 d θ ) ? Please tell if i am going wrong somewhere
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Actually, when the chain leaves the pulley, it is a vertical straight line, so that the relative accelerations between two infinitesimally small mass element is zero, ie. gravitational force does not produce internal tension. Thus the only force that provides centripetal acceleration is tension. Hence T ( i ) = ρ v 2
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Btw how do you draw the diagrams for the questions?
@Kishore S Shenoy When one end goes up a distance of x , the other end goes down by a distance x . So, shouldn't Δ P E = 0 ?
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Thanks for the pic! I should've taken the centre of mass then there wouldn't have been any issue. My bad.
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@Deeparaj Bhat – Yeah, that's the basic idea.
@Surya Prakash Can you post your solution please?
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Did the same. I failed to solve the problem ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE CONSTANT VELOCITY. Then I solved this problem by learning the concept from the solution of that problem.
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It was meant for this same reason!
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From the question All that matters is the constant velocity! , we know that once the chain is out of the pulley, T = ρ v 2 ⋯ ( 1 )
Now when one side of the chain goes a height x , △ P E = △ K E ρ x 2 g = 2 1 ρ L v 2 ⇒ L v 2 = 2 x 2 g ⋯ ( 2 )
Now equating forces
T − ρ ( 2 L − x ) g = ρ ( 2 L − x ) a ⋯ ( 3 ) ρ ( 2 L + x ) g − T = ρ ( 2 L + x ) a ⋯ ( 4 )
Solving L v 2 = 2 L 2 g − 2 x 2 g ⋯ ( 5 )
Substituting ( 1 ) , ( 2 ) in ( 5 ) , h b r e a k = 2 2 L
v b r e a k = 2 L g
⇒ v = w = 0 . 5 , x = 2 , y = 1 , z = 2 2
∴ 2 v + w + x + y + z ≈ 6 . 3 2 8 4 3