Smallest Period?

Algebra Level 3

Definition: A periodic function is defined as being any function with the property that f ( x ) = f ( x + c ) f(x)=f(x+c) for all x x in the domain and some positive constant c c .

Do all periodic functions have a smallest positive period?

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2 solutions

Otto Bretscher
May 30, 2016

Consider a constant function: Any positive real number will be a period.

Same answer!

Prince Loomba - 5 years ago
Sharky Kesa
May 30, 2016

An example of such a periodic function without a smallest period is

f ( x ) = { 1 if x Q 0 if x ∉ Q f(x)=\begin{cases} 1 & \text{if } x \in \mathbb{Q}\\ 0 & \text{if } x \not \in \mathbb{Q}\\ \end{cases}

Clearly, this function is periodic, but you cannot give a definition for its smallest period. Thus, not all periodic functions have a smallest period.

And what is the period of this function?

Mateo Matijasevick - 5 years ago

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p p can be made arbitrarily small, which is the point of Kesa's problem.

Michael Mendrin - 5 years ago

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Thanks! Really good example.

Mateo Matijasevick - 5 years ago

Probably a good idea to provide the most general definition of a periodic function, which is any function such that

F ( x + p ) = F ( x ) F(x+p)=F(x)

for all x x where p p is any non-zero constant. So, with the example of the Dirichlet function given above, any rational constant added to a rational or irrational x x will result in 1 1 or 0 0 , respectively, as before. So, curiously, however any 1 1 in the Dirichlet function is shifted over to another 1 1 , all the rest of the function matches up!

Michael Mendrin - 5 years ago

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According to this definition (allowing negative periods), no periodic function has a smallest period ;) Maybe you should ask: Do all periodic functions have a smallest positive period?

Otto Bretscher - 5 years ago

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Okay, my head hurts now. If we go with the most general definition as described above, then if x = x + p x'=x+p , we have

F ( x ) = F ( x p ) F(x')=F(x'-p)

for all x x' , so that I can't imagine right now where we could have any periodic function that is self-similar only with a positive translation in x x . In other words, I don't quite understand your question.

I'm looking at this problem as a symmetry operation, where "something is left unchanged" after some operation. In this case, the operation being a simple translation. .

Michael Mendrin - 5 years ago

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@Michael Mendrin I don't disagree with your definition of a periodic function in terms of a non-zero period p p . But in this case we must define the fundamental period (if it does exist) as the smallest positive period.

Otto Bretscher - 5 years ago

An ongoing question to do with functional equations (but not really related to periodic functions) is this .

Sharky Kesa - 5 years ago

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I will be glad to write a solution if nobody else does. The solution is short, but it requires a bit of linear algebra. You have to accept the Axiom of Choice (you may want to state that in the problem).

Otto Bretscher - 5 years ago

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For widest readership, you should go ahead and post your solution now that apparently will involve the Axiom of Choice.

Michael Mendrin - 5 years ago

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