Solid Conducting Spheres

Two solid conducting spheres of radius R 1 R_{1} and R 2 R_{2} are kept at a distance d ( > > R 1 d(>>R_{1} and R 2 ) R_{2}) apart.
The two spheres are connected by a thin conducting wires to the positive and negative terminals of a battery of emf V V .
Find the electrostatic force between two spheres. Type your answer by multiplying 1 0 4 10^{4} with your answer. Details and Assumptions
1) R 1 = 2 R_{1}=2
2) R 2 = 1 R_{2}=1
3) V = 10 V=10
4) d = 400 d=400
5) ϵ 0 = 1 \epsilon_{0}=1

The problem is taken from my Physics book.


The answer is 34.906.

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2 solutions

Karan Chatrath
Aug 6, 2020

The battery can be thought of as a pump of charge that transfers a certain amount of charge from sphere 2 to sphere 1. Let this amount be Q Q . A negative charge ( Q -Q ) is induced in sphere 2 while a positive charge( Q Q ) is induced in sphere 1. Moreover, Since the spheres are connected by a battery, the potential difference between sphere 1 and sphere 2 must be V V .

Q 4 π ϵ o R 1 = Q 4 π ϵ o R 2 + V \implies \frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_oR_1} = -\frac{Q}{4\pi\epsilon_oR_2}+V

This gives the expression for Q Q in terms of the other variables. Finally, the magnitude of the force between the spheres is:

F = Q 2 4 π ϵ o d 2 F = \frac{Q^2}{4\pi\epsilon_od^2}

Evaluating all expressions gives the required answer: 1 0 4 F = 34.906 \boxed{10^4F=34.906} .

@Karan Chatrath Hii
I have edited the problem , which you reported By the way I have some doubts, are you free?

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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You have requested a clarification from Mr Chase, so I look forward to hearing his take on it. I may be wrong and that is okay.

I am attempting the torque problem right now after which I will be away for some time. I can try answering your questions but do post an attempt, or describe your approach. I would really appreciate that, then I can probably help better.

Karan Chatrath - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath Asking to Steven chase for clarification Did it hurt you? Sorry.
I was just asking him to check. Because he uses python.

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley No, not at all, don't worry.

Karan Chatrath - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Talulah Riley I have shared my attempt in the report, so you can tell me my mistake if you see it.

Karan Chatrath - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Karan Chatrath @Karan Chatrath off course . In the meantime upload the solution of magnetism and torque. Bye

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Karan Chatrath and I am expecting a analytical solution from you of the problem Magnetism and Torque.

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago
Steven Chase
Aug 5, 2020

An important thing to note is that due to conservation of charge, the charge leaving one sphere will be equal to the charge accumulating on the other. The surface potentials are then:

V 1 = k q R 1 V 2 = k q R 2 V_1 = \frac{k q}{R_1} \\ V_2 = -\frac{k q}{R_2}

The difference between the surface potentials is equal to the battery voltage:

V 1 V 2 = k q R 1 + k q R 2 = V V_1 - V_2 = \frac{k q}{R_1} + \frac{k q}{R_2} = V

Solve for q q . Then the force between the spheres is:

F = k q 2 d 34.9 10000 F = \frac{k q^2}{d} \approx \frac{34.9}{10000}

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import math

R1 = 2.0
R2 = 1.0
V = 10.0
d = 400.0
e0 = 1.0

k = 1.0/(4.0*math.pi*e0)

left = k/R1 + k/R2

q = V/left

F = k*q*q/(d**2.0)

print F
print (10000.0*F)

#>>> 
#0.00349065850399
#34.9065850399
#>>> 

@Steven Chase I didn't understand why the potential difference is equal to battery voltage??

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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The battery is connected between the surfaces. So the difference between surface potentials is equal to the battery voltage

Steven Chase - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Steven Chase Check the latest problem. Because the karan sir has already reported it.
I don't think, there is anything wrong in probelm.

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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I'll take a look, but it will be a while from now, since I'm going to bed and I have to work tomorrow

Steven Chase - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase No problem. Goodnight
By the way what work you do?

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Steven Chase sir can you provide me a python code for this problem

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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import math

R = 1.0
theta = math.pi/3.0

rx = R*math.cos(theta)
ry = R*math.sin(theta)
rz = 0.0

ax = 1.0/math.sqrt(2.0)
ay = 1.0/math.sqrt(2.0)
az = 0.0

dot = rx*ax + ry*ay + rz*az

Px = rx - dot*ax
Py = ry - dot*ay
Pz = rz - dot*az

print Px
print Py
print Pz

Steven Chase - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase oh sorry, I was attaching a problem from my gallery, but instead of that another thing I have uploaded above. I am editing it right now.

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Steven Chase The comment is edited now, and by the way Thanks for this code also.
It is like one arrow and two targets

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

Code only really helps if you want a time-domain simulation. You can calculate the steady state charge easily without code. Voltages are in red, and current arrows are in green. The sum of the three green currents is the capacitor current, which must be zero in steady state.

Steven Chase - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase in this way I solved it orally. I just want CODE .

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Talulah Riley What will code do for you here?

Steven Chase - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase @Steven Chase the code will find charge as function of time and then we will program it to put t = t=\infty

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Steven Chase I have little bit doubt with my today's magnetism problem. Can you post its solution?

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Steven Chase can you post a analytical solution of this Problem

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

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I solved it numerically. I'm sure someone will post an analytical solution

Steven Chase - 10 months, 1 week ago

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@Steven Chase No problem post a numerical solution. It is also helpful for me. Thanks in advance.

Talulah Riley - 10 months, 1 week ago

@Steven Chase I am getting 0 but it is not accepting, and i don't think I have right to report you problem.
Please correct me where I am wrong.

Talulah Riley - 10 months ago

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Double-check your d x dx and d y dy expressions. And then compute the integral with respect to θ \theta

Steven Chase - 10 months ago

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