Spring loaded block

Creed plays a carnival game where he uses a spring to launch a block of wood. If he compresses the spring by x x from its natural length and releases it, the block rises to a height of h h from the point of release.

If he compresses the spring down the block by 2 x 2x from its natural length, how high will the block go up from the point of release?

1 2 h \frac12 h h h 2 h 2h 4 h 4h

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10 solutions

Timothy Samson
Sep 9, 2018

The potential energy of the spring is proportional to the square of the distance from the starting point. If it's twice the distance from the starting distance x x , then there's 2 2 = 4 2^2 = 4 times potential energy. This equals m g ( h e i g h t ) mg*(height) , so height is proportional to the potential energy of the spring .

We just said there's four times as much potential energy, so thing goes four times as high.

If h describes the height in which something travels from its release point and the question is how high did the object go from its release point wont the answer always be h?

Matthew Johns - 2 years, 9 months ago

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"How high will the block go from its release point?" Well if h=the height to which something traveled from it release point then how is the answer not simply h?

Matthew Johns - 2 years, 9 months ago

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It is h if one defines it as such - and that is how this problem defines it. In the problem, x is the distance that the spring was compressed from its equilibrium (non-compressed) position.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 8 months ago

Nevermind my bad i see it now. So Hooke's law then? F = -kx

Matthew Johns - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Yes. The negative sign indicates that the spring force is opposite in direction to the 1) force it takes to compress a compression spring or 2) force it takes to stretch an expansion spring. k is the 'spring constant' and is a numerical value representing the 'stiffness factor' of the spring. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_(device) for a great description of spring stuff.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 8 months ago
Ram Mohith
Sep 9, 2018

In both the cases I applied law of conservation of energy. In both the cases kinetic energy will be zero at the starting point and ending point as finial and initial velocities are zero. The equilibrium position of the spring is my datum line. The height we have to find our is assumed as h h' .

First Case : 1 2 k x 2 m g x = m g ( h x ) 1 2 k x 2 m g x = m g h m g x m g h = 1 2 k x 2 ( 1 ) \begin{array}{c}~ \dfrac12 kx^2 - mgx = mg(h - x) \\ \dfrac12 kx^2 - mgx = mgh - mgx \\ \boxed{\color{#3D99F6}mgh = \dfrac12 kx^2} \quad --- (1) \\ \end{array} Second Case : 1 2 k ( 4 x 2 ) m g ( 2 x ) = m g ( h 2 x ) 4 × 1 2 k x 2 2 m g x = m g h 2 m g x m g h = 4 m g h ( From equation 1 ) h = 4 h \begin{array}{c}~ \dfrac12 k(4x^2) - mg(2x) = mg(h' - 2x) \\ 4 \times \dfrac12 kx^2 - 2mgx = mgh' - 2mgx \\ {\color{#3D99F6}mgh' = 4 mgh} \quad (\text{From equation 1}) \\ \boxed{\color{#20A900}h' = 4h} \\ \end{array}

Why 1 2 k x 2 n o t k x 2 \frac { 1 }{ 2 } k{ x }^{ 2 }\quad not\quad k{ x }^{ 2 }

Hani Haddad - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Because the potential energy in a spring is equal to 1 2 k x 2 \dfrac12 kx^2 where x is the extension and k is spring constant.

Ram Mohith - 2 years, 9 months ago

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Differentiate to get de force of the spring, kx

Thomas Langerwerf - 2 years, 9 months ago

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@Thomas Langerwerf In fact, the potential energy ½kx² is the "work" (=energy) resulting of integrating the force (-kx) along the distance x.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 9 months ago

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@Félix Pérez Haoñie Thanks I got it ! :)

Hani Haddad - 2 years, 9 months ago

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@Hani Haddad Hani -- The formula comes from using integral calculus to obtain the work done by the spring in moving an object from one point to another. Starting with Hooke's Law (F = - kx (the negative sign is there to indicate that the direction of the force exerted by the spring is opposite to the direction that the object on the end of the spring is being pushed to compress the spring or pulled to expand the spring)), integrate to obtain the (1/2) kx^2 expression. See http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/pespr.html for a good description about it.

Jesse Otis - 2 years, 9 months ago

Final energy in first case should be 1/2 k(x-h)^2 + mg(h-x)

Pratik Jain - 2 years, 9 months ago

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The spring stops moving when it attains it's natural length and won't extend with the block till height h. So, we should consider only m g ( h x ) mg(h - x)

Ram Mohith - 2 years, 9 months ago

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In reality the spring won't stop moving, it will overstretch, be compressed again etc. But typically in such problems as this, the spring is approximated to have negligible mass compared to the block, so all of the potential energy of the spring gets converted into kinetic energy of the block, which ends up as potential (gravitational) energy of the block.

Other approximations are a linear spring (in practice there will be a point where a spring becomes harder to compress, leading to MORE stored energy if the spring is compressed further), and friction and air resistance in practice will slow down the spring and block, leading to a lower final height. How these aspects balance out exactly is hard to say. That depends on the degree of non-linearity, and the aerodynamics of the "block".

In any case, the round answers given imply that we do not need to be concerned with all of these details (and we lack the data to incorporate them anyway), and can assume an ideal situation, where indeed the factor 4 appears.

Roland van Vliembergen - 2 years, 9 months ago

There is no meantion in the exercise to assume a linear Constant fo the spring

Carlos Tassinari - 2 years, 9 months ago

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It's known as a law of nature that the force exerted by a spring is F = ─ kx, being x the distance the spring is shortened.

Félix Pérez Haoñie - 2 years, 9 months ago

All the solutions I've seen assume that h is greater than x: it looks like it in the picture, but that's no excuse! There are two possibilities with h less than x: (1) the block remains in contact with the spring in both cases. This gives height reached as 2x+h, but we're assuming that this height is less than or equal to 2x, so this solution is possible only if h is less than or equal to zero; (2) the block loses contact with the spring in the second (2x) case. This gives height reached as 4x^2/(2x-h), and in the boundary case where h = x this boils down to 4h.

Agree, other solutions don’t look right to me. Unless we know relation between x and h can’t see how this can be solved.

Lee Mellett - 2 years, 9 months ago

I support this. this is NOT the fixed answer

Vishant Arora - 2 years, 9 months ago
Chew-Seong Cheong
Sep 10, 2018

The force exerted by a spring compressed by x x is given by F = k x F=kx , where k k is the spring constant. The work done by the spring on the block is W = F x k x 2 = k 1 x 2 W=Fx \propto kx^2 = k_1x^2 , where k 1 k_1 is a constant. When the block on the spring is released, all the work done by the spring is converted to the potential energy of the block when it reaches its highest point h h from the point of release. That is k 1 x 2 = m g h k_1x^2 = mgh , where m m is the mass of the block and g g is the acceleration due to gravity. When the spring is compressed by 2 x 2x , then k 1 ( 2 x ) 2 = 4 k 1 x 2 = 4 m g h k_1(2x)^2 = 4k_1x^2 = 4mgh , the block reaches a height of 4 h \boxed{4h} .

Exactly sir... I did the same..

Bhupendra Jangir - 2 years, 8 months ago

For non constant forces the work done is the integral of F dx

Felipe Lorenzzon - 2 years, 8 months ago

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Thanks. I will change the solution.

Chew-Seong Cheong - 2 years, 8 months ago
Laura Gao
Sep 11, 2018

Use elimination (and common sense):

The answer can't be h / 2 h/2 because it doesn't make sense for the block to go lower when you apply more force.

The answer can't be h h because applying more force would make the block go higher and not stay at the same height.

The answer is most likely not simply 2 h 2h because questions like this one are usually trick questions (in a sense) so the answer wouldn't be just simple multiplication. (You would know this if you have experience with multiple choice questions)

So the answer has to be 4 h 4h , because it makes the most sense and it is the most likely answer.

Note: I know that in the question, it actually says "1/2h" and not "h/2" (like I put down) but when I write "1/2h" in the solution, it looks like the h is in the denominator and not the numerator so I just used "h/2".

My method was one that used the maximum of cynicism - having realised that compressing the spring more meant that the block would travel further I then noted that only two of the available answers met this criterion, and that if 2h was correct the question would not be worthy of an 'intermediate' rating. Therefore I opted confidently for 4h.

Thomas Sutcliffe - 2 years, 9 months ago

This is how I solve every problem on medium!!! Love this.

Madeleine Popofsky - 2 years, 9 months ago
Uros Stojkovic
Sep 10, 2018

The potential energy of the block of wood when the string is compressed by X X from it's natural length:

E = X 0 k x d x = 0 X k x d x = k X 2 2 \begin{aligned} E &= \int_{-X}^{0}-kx \,dx \\ &= \int_{0}^{X}kx\,dx = \frac{kX^{2}}{2}\end{aligned}

or, E x 2 . E \propto x^{2}.

The gravitational potential energy of the block of wood at the moment when it reaches maximum height H:

E = m g H E = mgH

or, E H . E \propto H.

Hence, by conservation of energy, H x 2 H \propto x^{2} and thus the answer is 4 h . \boxed{4h}.

Debajyoti Guha
Sep 12, 2018

How high the mass goes depends completely on the amount of potential energy that the spring has in store (which is being fully transferred to the mass on release). Now the potential energy of a compressed spring is given as 1/2 kx^2 . This is being completely transferred to the mass, which again uses it all up as its kinetic energy until it reaches a maximum height h where his potential energy mgh is equal to the energy given by the spring. so, mgh = 1/2 kx^2 . or, h is proportional to x^2 .

Thus when the compression is doubled, the maximum height reached will increase by four times i.e. the mass will reach 4h.

Vinod Kumar
Sep 10, 2018

Energy stored is proportional to x^2 and therefore height is 4h.

Jasper Escuro
Sep 9, 2018

Work-Energy Theorem: Just use the potential energy of spring and potential energy of block with respect to the ground for two test cases, (1) for initial case, when spring is stretched with the block and (2) when the block is released in the air.

K T
Sep 16, 2018

Short answer: spring energy goes as the square of the distance, potential energy is linear to the height (uniform field). In formula form 1 2 k x 2 \frac{1}{2}kx^2 versus m g h mgh , where k,m, and g are constants and x plays the same rôle as h. Therefore the answer is 4 times.

More elaborate answer: in this problem engergy is constantly exchanged between 3 forms: gravitational potential energy V = m g h V=mgh , spring energy S = 1 2 k x 2 S=\frac{1}{2}kx^2 and kinetic energy T = 1 2 m v 2 T=\frac{1}{2}mv^2 . We will assume there is no energy dissipation, because the problem gives us no information about it. And since we only look at moments where v=0, we can forget about T.

Set h=x, which is 0 at equilibrium for the unloaded spring. When a weight is put on the spring, it reaches an equilibrium at the point x where /(S=-V/). For amplitudes smaller than this, the block will just go up and down, keeping contact with the spring. Only when we press it down with at least its own weight, the block will raise enough to get loose from the spring. But this does not worry us, the spring energy is 0 whenever the block is loose from it.

Case 1: V+S = m g x + 1 2 k x 2 -mgx+\frac{1}{2}kx^2 when at top y 1 y_1 , all energy is gravitational so that

m g y 1 = m g x + 1 2 k x 2 mgy_1=-mgx+\frac{1}{2} kx^2 => y 1 = ( m g x + 1 / 2 k x 2 ) / m g = x + ( 1 / 2 k x 2 ) m g y_1=(-mgx+1/2 kx^2)/mg=-x+\frac{(1/2kx^2)}{mg}

Case 2: V+S = 2 m g x + 1 2 k ( 2 x ) 2 -2mgx+\frac{1}{2}k(2x)^2 when at top y 2 y_2 , all energy is gravitational so that

m g y 2 = 2 m g x + 1 2 k ( 2 x ) 2 mgy_2=-2mgx+\frac{1}{2} k(2x)^2 => y 2 = ( 2 m g x + 2 k x 2 ) / m g = 2 x + 2 k x 2 m g y_2=(-2mgx+2kx^2)/mg=-2x+\frac{2kx^2}{mg}

Now h = y 1 + x = 1 2 k x 2 m g h = y_1+x= \frac{\frac{1}{2} kx^2}{mg} and ? = y 2 + 2 x = 2 k x 2 m g = 4 h ?=y_2+2x=\frac{2 kx^2}{mg} = 4h .

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