What is the minimum possible area of a square that has three of its vertices on the parabola y = x 2 and its fourth vertex outside of the parabola?
Bonus: Find the golden ratio along the way.
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If we use the following points : A(0,0), B(-1,1), C(1,1) (those three points are on the parabola), and D(0,2), the area of square ABDC is 2. As "outside of the parabola" is not clearly defined, I would say the answer is 2.
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That's not a square since one side has a length root 2 and another side is 2.
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Maybe I am wrong somewhere (if yes, please tell me), but points A(0,0), B(-1,1), C(1,1) and D(0,2) draw a square : AB=AC=CD=CB=sqrt(2) and AB=BC=2 (4 equal sides and 2 equal diagonals). And the 3 first points are on the parabola.
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@Gerard Boileau – Your right. The points A ( 0 , 0 ) , B(1,1), C(-1,1)) and D ( 0 , 2 ) do form a square, but the problem states the fourth point is outside the parabola.
When I first solved the problem I totally missed the fact that the problem stated that the fourth point was outside the parabola, so I arrived at the same result you did. When I noticed the problem stated that the fourth point was outside the parabola, then I realized my mistake and and did the problem again. At first I insisted that the area was equal to 2 units, and after rereading the problem several times I finally noticed what the problem actually stated.
Your wrong. The points A ( 0 , 0 ) , B ( 1 , 1 ) , C ( − 1 , 1 ) and D ( 0 , 2 ) do form a square, but the problem states the fourth point is outside the parabola.
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@Rocco Dalto – The point is : what does "outside of the parabola"mean ? I would say a parabola is a line, so "outside" just means that the fourth point is not on the parabola's graph.
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@Gerard Boileau – I agree with you. I also obtained the fourth point as ( 0 , 2 ) and the A s q u a r e = 2 . When it was wrong, I reread the problem and realized it stated "the fourth point was outside the parabola. I was confused as to how a parabola has an inside and an outside, but then decided that ( 0 , 2 ) was inside meant there was an outside point which would minimize the square with a different side length. I think the problem is vague at best. My intention was to solve the problem so I assumed that there was an inside and an outside of a parabola..
Is there some way to use vectors for this, maybe with the complex definition of a parabola? ie. for the three vertices of the square a, b, c, d represented by complex numbers, (b-a) = i(c-b) = -(d-c) = -i(a-d). And for the three points on the parabola, |z-1/4 i| = Im(z + 1/4 i), while the fourth point is |z-1/4 i| < Im(z + 1/4 i). I'm not sure where you would go after that though.
@David Vreken : Could you please explain how you got the 3 equations in terms of 'm'? Thanks
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Here's how to get p in terms of m :
( p − q ) 2 + ( p 2 − q 2 ) 2 = ( p − r ) 2 + ( p 2 − r 2 ) 2
( p − q ) 2 ( 1 + ( p + q ) 2 ) = ( p − r ) 2 ( 1 + ( p + r ) 2 )
( p − q ) 2 ( 1 + m 2 ) = ( p − r ) 2 ( 1 + m 2 1 )
( p − q ) 2 ( 1 + m 2 ) m 2 = ( p − r ) 2 ( 1 + m 2 )
( p − q ) 2 m 2 = ( p − r ) 2
( p − ( m − p ) ) 2 m 2 = ( p − ( − p − m 1 ) ) 2
( 2 p − m ) 2 m 2 = ( 2 p + m 1 ) 2
( 2 p − m ) 2 m 4 = ( 2 m p + 1 ) 2
( 4 p 2 − 4 m p + m 2 ) m 4 = 4 m 2 p 2 + 4 m p + 1
4 m 4 p 2 − 4 m 5 p + m 6 = 4 m 2 p 2 + 4 m p + 1
( 4 m 4 − 4 m 2 ) p 2 − ( 4 m 5 + 4 m ) p + m 6 − 1 = 0
4 m 2 ( m 2 − 1 ) p 2 − 4 m ( m 4 + 1 ) p + m 6 − 1 = 0
( 2 m ( m − 1 ) p − ( m 3 + 1 ) ) ( 2 m ( m + 1 ) p − ( m 3 − 1 ) ) = 0
p = 2 m ( m ∓ 1 ) m 3 ± 1
After getting p in terms of m , the other variables can be solved by substitution. I hope this helps!
A really great problem that took me busy for quite a while. Finally I solved it!
I’ve used a slightly different parametrization. Every square in the plane has coordinates ( a + u , b + v ) , ( a − u , b − v ) , ( a − v , b + u ) , ( a + v , b − u ) . The square is centered at ( a , b ) and its half diagonal is ( u , v ) .
Having three vertices on the parabola provides three equations, and they can be transformed into
u = 4 a 2 − 1 4 a 2 + 1 , v = 2 a u
with the proviso that a > 1 / 2 .
We wish to minimize u 2 + v 2 , which is
u 2 + v 2 = ( 4 a 2 − 1 ) 2 ( 4 a 2 + 1 ) 3
And the minimum (in the allowed domain) is 2 2 7 , corresponding to a square of area 27.
Great, simple solution!
An elegant solution to an elegant problem! I thought I had a winner at (-1,1),(0,1),(1,1),(0,0) But then reread the conditions
If the diametrically opposite corners of a square are ( a , a 2 ) and ( b , b 2 ) , with a = b , then the other two corners have coordinates ( 2 1 ( a + b + a 2 − b 2 ) , 2 1 ( b − a + a 2 + b 2 ) ) ( 2 1 ( a + b + b 2 − a 2 ) , 2 1 ( a − b + a 2 + b 2 ) ) For the first of these to lie on the parabola, we require that 0 = ( a + b + a 2 − b 2 ) 2 − 2 ( b − a + a 2 + b 2 ) which simplifies to give a − b = 1 − u 2 2 ( 1 + u 2 ) a + b = u where u 2 = 1 . For the second of these points to lie outside the parabola, we require that 0 < ( a + b + b 2 − a 2 ) 2 − 2 ( a − b + a 2 + b 2 ) which simplifies to give − 1 − u 2 8 ( 1 + u 2 ) 2 > 0 and hence u 2 > 1 . The area of the square is 2 1 ( ( a − b ) 2 + ( a 2 − b 2 ) 2 ) = ( 1 − u 2 ) 2 2 ( 1 + u 2 ) 3 Thus we need to minimize A ( t ) = ( 1 − t ) 2 2 ( 1 + t ) 3 t > 1 Since d t d A = ( 1 − t ) 3 2 ( 1 + t ) 2 ( 5 − t ) we see that A is minimized when t = 5 , giving a minimum area of 2 7 .
Beautiful solution!
What about square (0,0),(1,1),(0,2),(-1,1)?
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That one has the fourth vertex inside the parabola (on the same side of the parabola as the focus). Solutions with fourth vertex inside the parabola are ones for which u 2 < 1 . Your particular solution goes with u = 0 .
Yes, I also got confused with that. I think it wasn't very good stated cause I understood, as I think you also did, that the forth vertex must only lie not in the arc of the parábola as the others.
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Let ( p , p 2 ) be the coordinates of the leftmost vertex of the square, ( q , q 2 ) be the coordinates of the topmost vertex of the square, and ( r , r 2 ) be the coordinates of the bottommost vertex of the square, as shown below:
Then the slope between p and q is m = m 1 = p − q p 2 − q 2 = p + q , and the slope between p and r is m 2 = p − r p 2 − r 2 = p + r . These slopes are perpendicular, so m 1 m 2 = − 1 . Also, the sides s of the square are congruent, so the area A is A = s 2 = ( p − q ) 2 + ( p 2 − q 2 ) 2 = ( p − r ) 2 + ( p 2 − r 2 ) 2 . Solving these equations in terms of m for m > 0 gives us p = 2 m ( m − 1 ) m 3 + 1 , q = 2 m ( m − 1 ) m 3 − 2 m 2 − 1 , r = − 2 m ( m − 1 ) m 3 + 2 m − 1 , and A = m 2 ( m − 1 ) 2 ( m 2 + 1 ) 3 for m = 1 . (When m < 0 these equations make the fourth vertex inside the parabola.)
For m > 0 and m = 1 , d m d A = m 4 ( m − 1 ) 3 2 m ( m + 1 ) ( m 2 − 3 m + 1 ) and d m 2 d 2 A > 0 , so the minimum area occurs when m 2 − 3 m + 1 = 0 , or at m = 2 3 ± 5 (which in terms of the golden ratio ϕ = 2 1 + 5 , m = ϕ 2 and m = ϕ 2 − 3 ). Both of these values of m give symmetrical coordinates for the square and an area of A = 2 7 .