A mathlete has been tracking the percentage of problems he has gotten right so far this season.
Let n be the number of problems given to him, and m the number he has gotten correct.
Find the sum of all 0 < q < 0 . 8 5 such that if at some point in the season n m < q , and at some later point in the season n m > q , then there will always be a third point in the season where n m = q .
If you believe that no such q exists, submit − 1 as your answer.
Clarification : Although it is true that any rational q may be obtained after the first two points, the problem requires that this rational q must exist at some point in the season. In particular, it might be helpful to analyze points in the season between the two points satisfying the first two conditions.
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The proof is false, if we follow the description of the problem. The problem states 'at some later point', which does not assume it is the immediate next point, neither does the 'third point' imply it's inbetween the two first (where m/n<q and m/n>q). For example, q=3/5 would be fine with the problem statement, assuming any sequence like: 0/1(<q) 1/2 2/3 3/4 4/5 .... 59/60 60/61(>q) 60/62 60/63 .... 60/100 (=3/5). So it's unlimited, any rational q between the boundaries would be fine, not just of the form k/(k+1)
PS Thanks, the error is mine. Indeed, I was assuming 'can' where the problem states 'must' (with regards to q=....). Your proof is correct.
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The proof is one by contradiction. We get a contradiction when q = k + 1 k for some positive integer k , and we don't when it isn't.
Think about what would be necessary for n m to never equal q over the course of the season. We know that n m was both less than and greater than q , as guaranteed by the problem. Thus, as n m increases, we would want to assume that it 'skips over' q . That is, one problem n m < q , and after the next, n m > q . This is where the immediate next point seems to come from, and we end up with the shown inequalities.
As for the counterexample, you've shown that there is indeed a sequence where n m = q is achieved. This would, however, be saying that n m = q can happen at a third point in the season for every rational q (in which case you would be correct), but you haven't answered the question that it must happen at a third point in the season.
For that, what if the season was only five questions long? Going off of your sequence 1 0 , 2 1 , 3 2 , 4 3 , 5 4 , this satisfies the conditions for q = 5 3 just fine, since 2 1 < q < 5 4 , but at no point in that very short season does 5 3 appear. Since there is at least one season satisfying the conditions where 5 3 doesn't appear, then we can't say it must appear.
Why cannot q = 17/21 ~ 0.80952... (m=17, n=21) ? Mathlete got there with the sequence (1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,0,0,0)
at n=2, the ratio is 1/2, < 17/21. # an earlier part in the season < q.
at n=18, the ratio is 17/18 > 17/21. # SOME later part in the season > q
at n=21, the ratio is 17/21 = q
at n = 18, the ratio exceeds 0.85, but the problem statement doesn't preclude this, only that q does not exceed it.
As I see it, n is unbounded and therefore the sum of q's meeting the criteria are unbounded.
Where in the problem statement does it preclude the last questions in any sequence were answered incorrectly? The key phrase "at SOME later point in the season " allows for mathlete to finish with a string of incorrect answers.
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You have shown a situation where it can be true that n m = q , but the problem asked for q values where it must be true.
For instance, the mathlete could have 4 out of 5 correct ( n m < 2 1 1 7 ), and later have 5 out of 6 correct ( n m > 2 1 1 7 ). It is quite possible for her to continue in this fashion without every reaching the exact value n m = 2 1 1 7 .
Arjen's explanation is great.
You aren't alone in your interpretation however, so I edited the problem to say "there will always be a third point" rather than "there must exist a third point", so hopefully that makes interpretation easier.
Would appreciate some help: why would a ratio of q= 1/3 not fulfill the requirement? Here is how I am thinking about it: the mathlete (let's call her M) gets the first two problems wrong, giving her a ratio of 0/1 and 0/2, which are smaller than 1/3. She then gets the third problem right, yielding her ratio of 1/3. She then gets all future problems right, giving her a ratios of 2/4, 3/5, 4/6, etc all of which are greater than 1/3. Hence it would seem that q=1/3 fulfills the requirement. The same can be repeated for all 1/n, assuming she gets the first n-1 problems wrong, and all problems from n onwards right. Please help me see my error, thank you!
Peter
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Suppose the mathlete gets 2 out of the first 7 problems wrong: 7 2 < 3 1 . Now she gets the eighth problem right: 8 3 > 3 1 . If she gets the following problems correct, the score would never drop and certainly not reach 3 1 .
Thus we have a sequence where m / n < q , later m / n > q , and there is not necessarily a moment when m / n = q .
Your math is correct, but that isn't what the problem is asking. It is asking what numbers must be landed on, not can be landed on.
If there exists even just a single possible season where q = 3 1 is never reached but has both n m < q and n m > q , then we can't say that that 3 1 satisfies the criteria, since it doesn't fit the criteria that it must appear. Arjen has given one of those seasons
You aren't alone in this interpretation, so I'm going to re-word the question to say "always exist a third point" rather than "must exist a third point", which should hopefully help clear things up
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Thank you, this is super helpful!
If the mathlete gets the first question wrong and all the rest right, then the sequence of ratios is 1 0 , 2 1 , 3 2 , 4 3 , 5 4 , 6 5 , 7 6 , 9 8 , . . . The first ratio is 0 and all ratios after 7 6 are greater than 0 . 8 5 . Thus the only possible values of q are 2 1 , 3 2 , 4 3 , 5 4 , 6 5 .
If k = 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 , 5 , let y j be the number of correct answers, and n j the number of incorrect answers obtained, after j questions have been asked. Then y j + n j = j of course, and the ratio r j of correct answers is y j + n j y j . It is easy to see that r j − k + 1 k = j ( k + 1 ) y j − k n j and so r j is less than/equal to/greater than k + 1 k precisely when d j = y j − k n j is negative/zero/positive respectively. Note now that d j + 1 is either equal to d j + 1 or else to d j − k . Suppose that d u < 0 for some integer u , and that d v > 0 for some integer v > u . Since d j can only increase by 1 at a time (although it can decrease more extravagantly), the weighted difference d j must take all integers between d u and d v while u ≤ j ≤ v (and possibly some others as well). In particular, then, there must be u < w < v with d w = 0 , and hence r w = k + 1 k .
Thus the sum of possible values of q is 2 1 + 3 2 + 4 3 + 5 4 + 6 5 = 3 . 5 5 .
(note: the below solution may be long but it is meant to be easy to understand and a quick read)
At first this problem seems like a lot, so a good first step is to see if we can reduce the number of solutions from infinity to a more manageable number. First realize that the order in which the mathlete wins and loses does not affect the answer, it is only the moment at which he passes the ratio q. So for the rest of this proof, I will assume he loses consecutively, then wins consecutively.
Consider if the mathlete got 1 problem incorrect. Then we would see the ratios: 0 , 1 / 2 , 2 / 3 , 3 / 4 , 4 / 5 , 5 / 6 . . .
Notice that if a fraction is not on this list of fractions, then the statement must be false because the list of fractions would provide a counterexample, as it starts at 0 and later becomes >.85.
Now we have reduced it to the 5 possible solutions { 1 / 2 , 2 / 3 , 3 / 4 , 4 / 5 , 5 / 6 } . Let's see if we can reduce it further by finding a counterexample. I consider 1/2 first, listing out the highest number strictly lower than 1/2 for some integer denominator:
0 / 1 , 0 / 2 , 1 / 3 , 1 / 4 , 2 / 5 , 2 / 6 . . . .
Realize that, if the mathlete ever wants to get an average greater than 1/2, he MUST reach a number on this list at some point. As you can see, starting a win streak at an odd denominator will cause the next number to be equal exactly to 1/2, and starting at an even denominator (or with a lower numerator) will only delay the problem. Next we consider 2/3. We again list out the highest number strictly lower than it for some integer denominator:
2 / 4 , 3 / 5 , 3 / 6 , 4 / 7 , 5 / 8 , 5 / 9 , 6 / 1 0 , 7 / 1 1 , 7 / 1 2 . . . .
Note again the consistency of the changes in the numerators, there is a repeating pattern of length 3 with 2 increasing numerators and then a numerator that stays the same because if it changed, a/b would equal exactly 2/3. This pattern appears for the other fractions of the form a/(a+1) as well. We conclude that all 5 possible solutions are valid, and the answer is 3 . 5 5 .
Of course, you may want to prove that this pattern really exists and will continue. Let's imagine writing out the numbers for the fraction a/(a+1). Consider the fractions in this list with denominators of ( a + 1 ) ∗ N . (where N is some integer). The numerator will of course be a ∗ N − 1 . The fractions with a denominator of a + 1 ) ∗ N − 1 will also have this numerator, because ( a ∗ N − 1 ) / ( ( a + 1 ) ∗ N − 1 > a / ( a + 1 ) > ( a ∗ N − 1 ) / ( ( a + 1 ) ∗ N − 1 ) . It is only at these points that the numbers will stay the same because we must have an average ratio of a/(a+1), which can only be achieved by increasing the numerator by 1 on every other fraction (unless of course the numerator increases by 2 somehow, but I think that is clearly impossible and will not prove it.)
Just saying that something MUST be true is not proving it. You might as well just that the fraction MUST reach 2 1 . You need to justify why such numbers will always be reached.
This is largely my approach too. For each of the cases, the ratio of correct to incorrect answers(q) is a whole number (or m=Aq for A=1 to 6). If at some point this ratio is less than that number, verbal reasoning makes it clear that the only way for the ratio to exceed that integer is one correct answer after a point where this person has answered m=Aq correct questions.
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The first thing we should notice is that q must be rational, since we are looking for points where q = n m for integers m , n . Let q = b a for co-prime positive integers a , b .
If n m = q at some point in the season, then we can say that there exists m , n such that n m < q and n + 1 m + 1 > q . This leads to:
m < q n and m + 1 > q n + q m < q n and m + 1 − q > q n m < q n < m + 1 − q
Since q = b a , multiply the last inequality by b :
b m < a n < b m + b − a
Since a , b , m , n are all integers, there will be no solutions to this inequality for b − a = 1 . No integers lie between b m and b m + 1 .
On the contrary, solutions do exist for b − a > 1 . let a n = b m + 1 . Then the inequality becomes b m < b m + 1 < b m + b − a which is true. We are guaranteed to be able to find m , n such that a n = b m + 1 if a , b are co-prime, which we assumed to be the case.
Thus, all q of the form k + 1 k will work, and the ones less than . 8 5 are 2 1 , 3 2 , 4 3 , 5 4 , 6 5 .
Their sum is 3 . 5 5