1 × 8 + 1 1 2 × 8 + 2 1 2 3 × 8 + 3 = 9 = 9 8 = 9 8 7
It seems like there's a pattern here, but is the statement below also true? 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 × 8 + 9 = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
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A calculator? Pshaw! I worked it out in my head.
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I also worked it out in my head.
I worked it out on my fingers
Elegant solution.
I got 987654315
i used a calculator too
Very innovative. Thinking outside the box
我就是在心算了一下以检验前一位和最后两位的合理性。
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Anna -- what is that in English ?
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According to google translate, anna said “I just calculated it to check the rationality of the previous and last two”
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@Will Potten – Will -- Thanks. I had no idea that Google could translate that language. Is that Korean, Chinese, Japanese, etc. ?
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@Jesse Otis – @Jesse Otis , doesn't look like Korean and I know Japanese so it's Chinese?
Good job. Your wonderful and delightful proof has advanced science and math to an unbelievable height, bringing joy and life to us all.
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is everybody saying that the calculators are wrong. All this maths is proving that you can prove anything mathematically including the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth if you do not use simple logic and a calculator or simple multiplication and addition
Now that's brilliant! :)
I said 50-50 and the pattern thing looks plausible, so, why not? Obviously I am no mathematician
I am confused. Is this simply an array of numbers, arranged in an interesting pattern, or is it a serial calculation?
Absolute MADLAD!
haha these days u can just bring a calculator or a Phone!! to ur school.U wont have to do any of the problems!
That's called cheating. Wait! Then I am a cheater too.
I lost it when I saw the number of upvotes to this "solution".
baisc math induction.
Adding 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 to both sides gives:
Adding another 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 to both sides gives:
which is a true statement.
In general, if A k is a string of consecutive increasing digits from 1 to k , B k is a string of consecutive decreasing digits from 9 to 1 0 − k , and C k is a string of k 1 's followed by a 0 , then by digit addition A k + B k = C k for 0 ≤ k ≤ 9 and 1 0 A k + k = C k + A k for 0 ≤ k ≤ 9 . Substituting gives 1 0 A k + k = ( A k + B k ) + A k and simplifying gives 8 A k + k = B k , which is the pattern given in the problem.
I hate math I don't know what those letters mean am lost
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Lol just pretend he’s an annoying Sheldon cooper and ignore it. I like Math but even I got lost following that
you add one to the nine not to the eight
Where did you learn this?
N = 9 1 ( 8 0 ( N k − N k − 1 ) + k ) = 9 1 ( 8 0 ( 1 2 3 4 ⋯ 9 − 1 2 3 4 ⋯ 8 ) + 9 ) = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 where N k and N k − 1 are the numbers in which last digits ends at k and k − 1 . For example if N k = 1 2 3 4 then N k − 1 = 1 2 3 .
Generalization
Notice that the number 1 2 3 4 ⋯ k for 0 ≤ k ≤ 9 be denoted as N k and further it can be expressed as N = 8 ( 1 2 3 4 5 ⋯ ⋯ k ) + k = 8 N k + k = 8 ( k 1’s 1 1 1 ⋯ 1 + k-1 1’s 1 1 1 ⋯ 1 + ⋯ 1 1 + 1 ) + k = 9 8 ( k 9’s 9 9 9 ⋯ 9 + k-1 9’s 9 9 9 ⋯ 9 + ⋯ 9 9 + 9 ) + k = 9 8 ( 1 0 k − 1 + 1 0 k − 1 − 1 + ⋯ 1 0 1 − 1 ) + k = 9 8 ( 9 1 0 ( 1 0 k − 1 ) − k ) + k Simplifying we obtain that N = 8 1 8 ⋅ 1 0 k + 1 − 8 0 − 7 2 k + 8 1 k = 8 1 8 0 ⋅ ( 1 0 k − 1 ) + k ( 1 0 − 1 ) = 8 1 9 ( 8 0 k = 1 ∑ k − 1 1 0 k + k ) = 9 1 ( 8 0 ( N k + 1 − N k ) + k )
Note: This pattern will continue till k ≤ 9 but a new pattern will exist where formula works too. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 × 8 + 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 × 8 + 1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 × 8 + 2 ⋮ = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 1 2 0 = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 1 2 0 9 = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 1 2 0 9 8
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Mark Mazda lol! The people on this site reveal what a complete idiot I truly am. Is it the subpar math education in the US (worse by far when I was a child than it is now IMO), or am I truly just as dumb as a brick? I'm afraid I may never know.
Naren, your solution seems brilliant. Although I admit I only vaguely grasp what you are doing.
This seems like you are just over complicating things
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Generalization
In number base b , it is generally true that for 1 ≤ n ≤ b − 1 , 1 2 3 ⋯ ( n − 1 ) n × ( b − 2 ) + n = ( b − 1 ) ( b − 2 ) ⋯ ( b − n + 1 ) ( b − n ) .
Proof : 1 2 3 ⋯ ( n − 1 ) n × ( b − 2 ) + n = ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) ⋅ ( b − 2 ) + n = ( i = 1 ∑ n i b ⋅ b n − i ) − ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) − ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) + n = combine ( i ′ = 0 ∑ n − 1 ( i ′ + 1 ) ⋅ b n − i ′ ) − ( i = 0 ∑ n − 1 i ⋅ b n − i ) − n ⋅ b n − n − ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) + n = ( i = 0 ∑ n − 1 ( i + 1 − i ) ⋅ b n − i ) − ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) + n − n = ( i = 0 ∑ n − 1 b n − i ) − ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) = combine ( i ′ = 1 ∑ n b ⋅ b n − i ′ ) − ( i = 1 ∑ n i ⋅ b n − i ) = i = 1 ∑ n ( b − i ) ⋅ b n − i = ( b − 1 ) ( b − 2 ) ⋯ ( b − n + 1 ) ( b − n ) .
can you please explain more elementarily
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Others have posted the more elementary solution for b = 1 0 .
Arjen -- Is there, like, an elementary NAME for what on earth this is about ? What would math-challenged people like me refer to it as (other than mind-boggling) ?
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Yeah, I guess it is a bit intimidating-looking. The basic idea is that when we write numerals, we express a number as a sum of powers of the base (usually 10). For example, 1 2 3 4 = 1 0 0 0 + 2 0 0 + 3 0 + 4 1 2 3 4 = 1 ⋅ 1 0 3 + 2 ⋅ 1 0 2 + 3 ⋅ 1 0 1 + 4 ⋅ 1 0 0 1 2 3 4 = i = 1 ∑ 4 i ⋅ 1 0 4 − i 1 2 3 4 = i = 1 ∑ 4 i ⋅ b 4 − i b = 1 0 Basically, in my solution I start with the number whose digits are 1 2 3 4 ⋯ n , write it as a sum, then manipulate that sum until it becomes 9 8 7 6 ⋯ ( 1 0 − n ) . Then, instead of 10 (our usual decimal system) I show that it works in any number base b .
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Yes ... you generalized Naren Bhandari solution where b=10 to any base
Fascinating stuff; the Lord blessed you with an incredible mind. I was thinking that the 'overline' indicates that the number group is repeating - like is written with repeating numbers to the right of a decimal point; that is one of the things that threw me off. In this case the overline must indicate that the numbers (variables) below it are summed. True ?
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@Jesse Otis – The overline indicates that the expressions must be interpreted as digits. For instance, a b c normally means the product of a , b , and c ; but a b c stands for the number with digits a , b , and c . In the same way, 1 2 3 4 n may be understood as 1 2 3 4 × n , but 1 2 3 4 n stands for a 5-digit numeral.
I used a calculator for the solution.
Thank you, why over-complicate things?!
From the three examples we observe this: 10^y(x) + 10^y-1(x+1).......10^0(x+y) × 8 + (x+y) = 10^y(n) +10^y-1(n-1)........10^0(n-y) for x=1,0< y < 9,and n=9. So for 123456789 we observe that y is 8. Next we substitute accordingly: 10^8(1) +10^7(2) +10^6(3) + 10^5(4) +10^4(5) + 10^3(6) +10^2(7) + 10^1(8) + 10^0(9) × 8 + (9) = 10^8(9) + 10^7(8) +10^6(7) +10^5(6) + 10^4(5) + 10^3(4) + 10^2(3) + 10^1(2) +10^0(1); So we get 100000000 + 20000000+3000000+400000+50000+6000+700+80+9 × 8 + 9 = 900000000+80000000+7000000+600000+50000+4000+300+20+1;This gives:123456789 × 8 + 9 = 987654321
looks crazy...easy to think tho
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it can also be done by mere observation
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Not that kind of crazy...it's not formatted. (Beautiful observation tho)
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@Akshay Krishna – explain please
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@Samuel Emeka – It's not formatted, which in a way is the reason it's underrated. Consider using rajex(or whatever brilliant uses).
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@Akshay Krishna – add a comment...OK u mean I should use formalas
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@Samuel Emeka – https://brilliant.org/discussions/thread/beginner-latex-guide/
I just answer yes
Great solution! This made me think about the problem from a new perspective.
We start by expressing the left hand side ( L ) and the right hand side ( R ) in analytical form.
For a given integer N with N = [ 1 , 2 , 3 , ⋯ , 9 ] we have L ( N ) = 8 ∗ n = 1 ∑ N n ∗ 1 0 N − n + N R ( N ) = n = 1 ∑ N ( 1 0 − n ) ∗ 1 0 N − n For example, for N = 1 L ( 1 ) = 8 ∗ ( 1 ∗ 1 0 1 − 1 ) + 1 = 9 R ( 1 ) = ( 1 0 − 1 ) ∗ 1 0 1 − 1 = 9
and for N = 3 L ( 3 ) = 8 ∗ ( 1 ∗ 1 0 3 − 1 + 2 ∗ 1 0 3 − 2 + 3 ∗ 1 0 3 − 3 ) + 3 = 8 ∗ 1 2 3 + 3 = 9 8 7 R ( 3 ) = 9 ∗ 1 0 3 − 1 + 8 ∗ 1 0 3 − 2 + 7 ∗ 1 0 3 − 3 = 9 0 0 + 8 0 + 7 = 9 8 7 .
To prove that L ( N ) = R ( N ) for all integers N , 1 ≤ N ≤ 9 one could show that the expression for L ( N ) can be reduced to the one for R ( N ) (or vice-versa) for N in the range of interest.
An alternate approach is to use recursion i.e. express L ( N + 1 ) as a function of L ( N ) and similarly for R ( N + 1 ) . From the analytical forms above for L ( N ) and R ( N ) one finds that L ( N + 1 ) = 1 0 ∗ L ( N ) − N + 9 R ( N + 1 ) = 1 0 ∗ R ( N ) − N + 9
Since L ( 1 ) = R ( 1 ) , it follows that L ( N ) = R ( N ) for 1 ≤ N ≤ 9 .
I just added last digit of 8x9 with 9 to see if last digit comes out as 1
I did the same
The method that I used was that in the first sum they gave us 1 that's the first number in the order of first to last the answer to that sum was 9 and that was the first number in the order of last to first and if u see the last sum the first number they give is the number 1-9 in the order of first to last and the answer to that sum was 1-9 but in the opposite order to the first number so the sum must have been correct
there's a pattern of complimentary. For e.g. complimentary of 1 is 9, while their sum must be 10, i.e 1+9=10, subsequently 2+8=10, 3+7=10, 4+6=10. Starting from right. For 12, complimentary for individual 1 and 2 are 9 and 8. For 123 complimentary for 1,2 and 3 are 9,8 and 7 respectively. On applying this to 123456789, complimentary for individual digits become 987654321. I solved it like that.
1 x8+1=9 ;- 1+9=10 12 ×8+1=98 ;- 1+9=2+8=10 that's the pattern i think
I used pencil and paper and regular multiplication and addition
The number added is the same as the amount of digits in the first and last number given in each equation. The one in question follows
No “muh calculator” needed...
12345677 |
123456789 |
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987654312 |
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9 |
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987654321 |
It's like when you see in example No.1, 1×8+1=9 we see two last numbers 1 and 9 with equals 10. At the example No.2 we see the same thing 12×8+2=98 with we see 2 added this time and last digit is 8 which equals 10. The last example is the same 123×8+3=987 3(added) and last digit we see 7 are both giving us 10.
Which moving to actual statement 9+1=10 so this has to be true.
Ps. Sorry if something doesn't make sense, English is not my first language.
Abductive Logic; C.S. Peirce; from Harvard circa ~1840ish; a.k.a. discovery logic/educated guess. Frrom final digit number in statement; worked via the provided pattern construct; yielding a final digit, matching that in the statement provided - I took a leap of faith; guessed re the match; ended up being right !!
The number added =to th e number of digits of answer
My trusty calculator is the reason we humans do not tear our brains apart
It is simple.
The first three problems go by the next formula.
(x) x 8 + (n) = (r).
x going by the digits on increasing ratio starting by 1 (like 1,12,123 and etcetera).
n going by the number of digits of x number.
r going by the result that is easily digits on decreasing ratio starting by 9 but just allowing the number of digits that n tolds us.
So just by checking this formula on the forth problem we can tell that is true.
ps. Sorry don't know how to use latex but this is the only way i can explain how i resolve this problem also english isnt my native lang so it may be kinda sketchy to read.
It can be proved by mathematical induction (at a mini scale):
First one is obviously true: 1 × 8 + 1 = 9
The problem is to prove: S n = 1 2 . . . n × 8 + n = 9 . . . ( 1 0 − n )
given that: S n − 1 = 1 2 . . . ( n − 1 ) × 8 + n − 1 = 9 . . . ( 9 − n )
Actually we just needed to do some algebra with: S n = S n − 1 × 1 0 + 9 − n .
Then it will become Sn on both sides and end of proof!
you spelt proof as prove. Wrong grammar
Well I suppose you use your mind everything, don't you? (Even writing it down is still using your brain)
Logic. There was a pattern for the first 3, so why would it change. The pattern remained for the question so logically the question was correct.
Ideally, first of all you should multiply 123456789 with 8. So I just multiplied their last digits i.e 9×8=72. So you know the answer's last digit is 2. Then 2+9 is 11. The last digit of your final answer should be 1 which corresponds to 987654321
My idea was to multiply the long number by ten then substract the double of the first digit which is 9 so the double is 18 then 0-8 practically will give 2. Adding 9 to it will give 1 at the first digit of the result. Thus the answer was correct. This was my method
Hello,
Here is how I get it:
Suppose that n ≤ 9 and the n t h equation can be written as k n = ( i = 1 ∑ n 1 0 n − i . i ) . 8 + n = ( 1 2 3 4 . . . n ) . 8 + n Then k n + 1 = = = = = ( ∑ i = 1 n + 1 1 0 n + 1 − i . i ) . 8 + n + 1 1 0 . ( ∑ i = 1 n 1 0 n − i . i ) . 8 + 8 ( n + 1 ) + n + 1 i.e. removing i=n+1 from the sum 1 0 . ( ∑ i = 1 n 1 0 n − i . i ) . 8 + 1 0 . n − 1 0 . n + 8 ( n + 1 ) + n + 1 i.e. adding & removing 10n 1 0 . [ ( ∑ i = 1 n 1 0 n − i . i ) . 8 + n ] + 9 − n 1 0 . k n + 9 − n or switching n + 1 by n k n = 1 0 k n − 1 + ( 1 0 − n )
Since it holds for n = 1 , one can show that it holds for n = 2 and so on.
Knowing that it then holds for n = 8 ⇒ k 8 = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 , one can get that k 9 = 1 0 . k 8 + ( 1 0 − 9 ) = 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Simply check the first and last digits to approximate the solution.
9 x 8 = 72 + 9 = _1
8 x 1 = 8 + 1 (carried over) = 9
The first, and more importantly, last digits work out, so it is likely correct.
Note: this is not a guaranteed method, it is just a quick approximation.
Just a note of interest:
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Easy problem! Just use a calculator haha.
I did 123 x 8 + 1 and got it. So I did 123456789 x 8 + 9 and it had to be true.
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3 2 1 − 9 = 3 1 2
Now, since 3 1 2 is divisible by 8 and 9 8 7 6 5 4 0 0 0 is also divisible by 8 then this statement is definitely true.
Let a n = n for n = { 1 , 2 , 3 , ⋯ , 8 , 9 } . It follows that a n = a n − 1 + 1 . Then, we have: S n S n = 1 2 3 ⋯ a n − 1 a n × 8 + a n = 1 0 × 1 2 3 ⋯ a n − 1 × 8 + 9 a n = 1 0 × 1 2 3 ⋯ a n − 1 × 8 + 9 a n − 1 + 9 = 1 0 × ( 1 2 3 ⋯ a n − 1 × 8 + a n − 1 ) + ( 9 − a n − 1 ) = 1 0 × S n − 1 + 1 0 − a n = 1 0 × ( S n − 1 + 1 ) − n We can see that this indeed follows the given patern. So without explicitly calculating, based on first simple cases, we can conclude that the statement is true.
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